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Rex Deus
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 06:32:00 -
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The way i see it, the current playerbase whines are valid whines.
* Gatejump queues are poor * The new BM implementation does not solve anything yet creates a gulf of unfairness between the players without BMs who wish to acquire them and those who already have them. * The new cloaking 'feature', well ahem...it's not a great state of affairs.
However, I have really enjoyed this game since I have been playing it and the Devs do seem to listen to and publically acknowledge playerbase discontent. I think most of the playerbase sees a problem with the above issues. For their track record, I won't be cancelling my account anytime soon, but i think i would consider doing so if these aspects of the game were not 'solved' in my eyes by the next patch.
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Treelox
Amarr Storm Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.30 06:34:00 -
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dont quit share your concerns
[email protected]
no need to spam, 1 email per customer should do it, but seriously isnt it the PR guys job to deal with our hate mail?
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DigitalCommunist
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.30 06:52:00 -
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The queues are lame, so is the cloaking bug being turned into a feature. But thats pretty much it. I could list a couple dozen reasons why anyone should quit EVE, and these wouldn't be listed.
Calm the hell down.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist Calm the hell down.
Seriously. **** happens. It's been, what, a week? Give the Devs a chance FFS... -
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Hakera
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:01:00 -
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hehe, most of the issues here are simple ones that either require more information/clairty or removal like queues.
if you dont have a short memory you might remember one solution tested on chaos once which had a natural bubble around gates (effectivelly removing instas) whilst meaning a person jumping in would have to travel a few k to get outside it.
that had a 'i quit if this comes' thread going to about 80 pages.
the main perception is that TQ is suffering because of serenity/china, uniting the codebases lead to very few benefits from a player PoV and only problems and associated soon to come nerfs (though the bm one has been long expected & welcome though i would of prefered a warp to 0 option)
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Tonkin
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:04:00 -
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we will see in the next 2 weeks 1 thing i want above all else
GET RID OF QUEING
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Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:11:00 -
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In summary: don't derail issues by loud "I quit" yells.
Originally by: Loyal Servant They have until that time to correct these issues
Somehow I find empty threats annoying, so I do hope you will hold on your promise.
But do you seriously see these particular issues so Eve-threatening, so black-and-white issues?
I see it more like CCP leasing me a red Ferrari for $15/month; then on delivery day saying 'sorry, couldnt get red paint, here is blue one'. Even though those things are supposed to be red, I would still happily drive with it.
So CCP please repaint my Cov op too, but even if you won't I sure will keep playing.
-Lasse
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Captain Hudson
Caldari Bravehearts
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:13:00 -
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All the retards are coimg out of the woodwork since this latest patch. The Jump Queue thing was a mistake, it was not supposed to get onto TQ, and i guess people have not see that they are going to fix this by realsing a fix-patch. go ahead cancel your eve account's, the less of you muppits the better
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Kastar
Chronodynamics
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:14:00 -
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I'm actually considering cancelling 3 accounts. I logged off in anger a few days ago because it's once again unplayable and I simply refuse to log back in before I get to read some official statement about what they're up to.
For nearly 2 years I've been living in a part of lowsec that is camped daily, run over by pirates, visited by BoB, fought over by wannabe pirate alliances and whatever. I take/took all these dangers for granted and live with them. I've veen ganked with 100's of millions in hold and took it with a smile...
Now suddenly the stakes are cranked up another notch. Getting some rares in a cloaked ship just became insane. The ship and mod itself don't mean anything anymore, it now all depends on the speed of the trigger finger. Point 2, last weekend, I suddenly was faced with jumpqueues in the least populated region in space. I live in Aridia and suddenly was faced with half the region being full, laggy and impossible to traverse without having to wait a few minutes at each gate.
I know the MC were there at that moment, but that should not be the point. Everyone is now stuck in an inflexible system. Locking down a region has nearly come down to putting enough load in one sys. Before it caused lag to have large presences, now it locks down travel over vast area's.
Adding to that, there have been many problems all over august, and it's laggier (that a word ?) than ever, all over.
I don't consider this a whine, since the OP invited us all to give reasons to not continue playing. I feel there are indeed reasons for some concern that this is simply not the best product on the market anymore. Above all, communication has been really awkward the last months. Don't shoot me, but up to a certain moment, you could find Oveur replies in about every thread. Why did he stop doing that ?
We simply need statements on:
Is this really the direction (jumpqueues) they want to go in ? How long are the petition queues exactly ? Why is the system borked (petitions not showing ingame) and what is to be done about it ? Are we now playing Eve for the mainstream masses instead of a fantastic niche product that rocked a certain player class' world ? What are the plans/vision regarding lag. Sorry, but more "yarrdware" is not going to cut it. What are the plans ? How, why ? Wth is that QA department up to ? Because I haven't felt it working a single time over all the different patches. Why is attenton given to things such as the cloak when the main point of existance of recon ships doesn't work ?
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Moggs
Gallente Twisted Attitude
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:14:00 -
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can you all hurry up and quit please.
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Duvelien
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Hudson All the retards are coimg out of the woodwork since this latest patch. The Jump Queue thing was a mistake, it was not supposed to get onto TQ, and i guess people have not see that they are going to fix this by realsing a fix-patch. go ahead cancel your eve account's, the less of you muppits the better
Wrong, if not meant to go on Tranq... why is it again on the patch notes then ?
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Rilder
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:17:00 -
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geeze its this a game, get over it
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Captain Hudson
Caldari Bravehearts
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Duvelien
Originally by: Captain Hudson All the retards are coimg out of the woodwork since this latest patch. The Jump Queue thing was a mistake, it was not supposed to get onto TQ, and i guess people have not see that they are going to fix this by realsing a fix-patch. go ahead cancel your eve account's, the less of you muppits the better
Wrong, if not meant to go on Tranq... why is it again on the patch notes then ?
Changes
The jump queue for systems will only occur if the system in question is on a node using 95% or more CPU. This has previously been hotfixed on TQ.
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Necrologic
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: eLLioTT wave Edited by: eLLioTT wave on 30/08/2006 05:39:10
Originally by: Scott Kil try another MMO, then tell us the devs are incompetent.
This is the only MMO where the Devs actually respond to the players.
or used to... where are their response to our current problems?
"used to" being a couple days before this last patch. They never talk publically after somthing like this, and i don't blame them.
Here's somthing for you all to chew on. The Devs don't have to tell us anything. We don't have some right to them talking to us, its not in the contract. We give them money, we get a subscription, that is ALL we are entitled to. If they tell us somthing, lucky us. We should be thankful for what we get, but we don't have any right to expect anything.
Beyond that i'm with DC.
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Duvelien
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:27:00 -
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That's in fact the issue. When fleets move in it usually means a sudden rise in presence from the normal "busy" 15-20 in an avg 0.0 hub to afew 100. That will mean an almost certain rise to 95% of the node's capacity, and even more likely because I though the solarsystem sharing principle for nodes was random.
You're not only killing the fleet battle. You also affect potentially empire systems, affect people targetted in empire wars and affect people that are not even remotely involved in aforementioned wars. This is just too stupid for words. Where previously pilots in laggy systems were duped, we can now share in the troubles all over
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Duvelien
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
Originally by: eLLioTT wave Edited by: eLLioTT wave on 30/08/2006 05:39:10
Originally by: Scott Kil try another MMO, then tell us the devs are incompetent.
This is the only MMO where the Devs actually respond to the players.
or used to... where are their response to our current problems?
"used to" being a couple days before this last patch. They never talk publically after somthing like this, and i don't blame them.
Here's somthing for you all to chew on. The Devs don't have to tell us anything. We don't have some right to them talking to us, its not in the contract. We give them money, we get a subscription, that is ALL we are entitled to. If they tell us somthing, lucky us. We should be thankful for what we get, but we don't have any right to expect anything.
Beyond that i'm with DC.
that is so much crap I don't even know where to start. how do you mean all we are entitled to ? It's supposed to be some sort of symbiosis. Sure they are not "forced" to do whatever, but that exact attitude is usually the first sign of the downfall of so many things. Arrogance kills stuff. They are making eve for the players, not to sit empty on a lagfree server. Go ahead, annoy your reason of existance.
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Julia Reave
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:30:00 -
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Just cancelled my subscription.
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Elisno
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:30:00 -
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Bless the fanboi's who are willing to take crap. How much do you get paid to kiss the area the sun never hits? This Dragon code should read we have been draggin our rears and didn't get a single thing correct but hey thanks for the money you spend. ok last count was over 28000 folks? lets say 28000 even and at 15 bucks a month our dear poor ccp is getting 420,000.00 bucks a month. 420k a month over 5 mil a year. We are paying these guys that amount of cash for what? ships that don't work, area's we can't get into. Yeah i'm sticking around out but only because i really want to see just how bad it gets before the fanboi's start to fade away.
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Infrared Raven
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: Infrared Raven on 30/08/2006 07:30:13 If they are not going to remove that covert-ops "fix", "bug", "whatever-they-call-it", I'll quit my three accounts.
Seriously, this is ******-up.
When they introduced Covert-Cloaks, I always thought it would be cool to be able to activate the cloak right after a jumpin, so you don't even have to uncloak first (Ofc, ppl at the gate still the the gate activation).I fly a Recon so I don't have to worry about gatecamps and stuff, but now, it's totaly useless because every stupid frig can get a lock on you...
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Sensemann
Minmatar eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:34:00 -
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Leaving? no but whats the point in having a CovertOps-Alt if the Cloaking is "fixed"...?
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Lucre
STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:40:00 -
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I can't imagine quitting yet, not after 3 years in game.
But this is the first patch that's making me wonder if this game has a future.
CCP seem to have simultaneously stopped thinking and stopped communicating, and that's a lethal combination. Plus the perception, right or wrong, that Eve is no longer being driven by what this playerbase desires but by the needs of the Chinese masses.
If that latter perception turns out to be correct, I can't see myself staying in this game. Eve was special. I hope it can stay that way. But right now I'm worried...
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Kastar
Chronodynamics
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lucre I can't imagine quitting yet, not after 3 years in game.
But this is the first patch that's making me wonder if this game has a future.
CCP seem to have simultaneously stopped thinking and stopped communicating, and that's a lethal combination. Plus the perception, right or wrong, that Eve is no longer being driven by what this playerbase desires but by the needs of the Chinese masses.
If that latter perception turns out to be correct, I can't see myself staying in this game. Eve was special. I hope it can stay that way. But right now I'm worried...
Best response I read so far. Well-said and to the point. -----------------------------------------------
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Dekiri
Useless Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:52:00 -
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This is ridiculous ... If you compare this to other mmorpgs eve is VERY stable and has very few bugs. I remember back during my UO times that we sometimes had days where we could not even log in. Same for EQ the expansions where pure horror and they did not even change much. Then... WoW! even worse and they have TINY servers compared to previous mmogs. Now imagine a game with 1 server for all players and 170k accounts instead of MAXIMUM 10k PER WOW SERVER... i think it makes hell of a difference. Talking about incompetence is a bit far fetched when you have people doing their thing here that are setting milestones in server structure history. Noone else is doing what ccp is doing. All the others are scared to let more then 10k player accounts on one of their servers and CCP lets 3 times of that on it simultaniously.
On top of that you get the devs DIRECTLY TALK TO YOU.... No other mmorpg that is already running(some betas have learned i admit) has this as a feature.
From a technical point of view it honestly would not shock me at all if we had the server shut down for a week some day and i am actually surprised that it has not happened yet. If you know anything about mmorpg servers and their structure you could probably understand what this means. It is not possible to compare these things with any other server structure. They have their own life and mmorpgs produce bugs so quickly. If you want to see how fast, then set up a UO server with POL or maybe even the old SPHERE server software. It is supereasy, but i promise if you tweak the existing game mechanics a bit you will face so many ridiculous bugs that seem to have nothing to do with your changes. I really suggest some of you crybabies try that once and then come back to talk.
Another fine solution would be if you would stop polluting this forum and go back in your mommies basement. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad!
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Matthew Johnson
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:56:00 -
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<- keeping this two accounts, knowing how hard a code-branch change is.
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Azerrad
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic "used to" being a couple days before this last patch. They never talk publically after somthing like this, and i don't blame them.
Here's somthing for you all to chew on. The Devs don't have to tell us anything. We don't have some right to them talking to us, its not in the contract. We give them money, we get a subscription, that is ALL we are entitled to. If they tell us somthing, lucky us. We should be thankful for what we get, but we don't have any right to expect anything.
Beyond that i'm with DC.
Likewise CCP is not entitled to our subscription. If we do not like how they are handling things we can and will leave.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Terra Incognita
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:12:00 -
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Aham.
After some quick but in-depth research into the subject at hand a team of highly qualified experts has concluded that the sky is indeed NOT falling as suggested earlier by some random doomsday prophets.
Carry on, citizens!
That is all.
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Flitz Farseeker
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:14:00 -
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To all those who are quitting over the patch - send all your money and items to Flitz Farseeker, care of Gallente Federation.
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Dekiri
Useless Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:16:00 -
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I would really like to add that all the whiners should really run a mmorpg server themselves before talking. It is easy to start and you will gain some understanding on the fine job CCP does. As i suggested earlier you can download the UO client + the server software free and experiment and then set up a server and script some. I promise even if you are a proffesional you will produce more bugs then CCP does in a year within one week.
Although i would honestly prefer that you crybabies just go away and leave the game to us=) It is much more enjoyable without the ridiculous and pointless crying. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad!
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Necrologic
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Azerrad
Originally by: Necrologic "used to" being a couple days before this last patch. They never talk publically after somthing like this, and i don't blame them.
Here's somthing for you all to chew on. The Devs don't have to tell us anything. We don't have some right to them talking to us, its not in the contract. We give them money, we get a subscription, that is ALL we are entitled to. If they tell us somthing, lucky us. We should be thankful for what we get, but we don't have any right to expect anything.
Beyond that i'm with DC.
Likewise CCP is not entitled to our subscription. If we do not like how they are handling things we can and will leave.
Yup. I am simply encouraging people to exercise that which they are entitled to instead of complaining about somthing they arn't. If you all really looked you would realize what tons of people have said. This is still the most stable mmo with the most communication between devs and players. The proof is there if you were actually looking, but i know complaining is easier.
The only purpose of threads like this is to scare people. You talk about quitting and suddenly it gets some other guy who was perfectly happy thinking that maybe he should quit. Is that the goal here? Should you really be saying "ccp talk to me or i'll try to make as many people quit". This does not help anyone, and spite is childish. It doesn't help you, CCP or the other guy. The most it might do is make you feel better. So stop. If you are really going to quit over this stuff go do it. CCP knows whats wrong because they arn't stupid and do read these forums even if they don't respond. This thread doesn't help anyone.
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Dekiri
Useless Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Valka Aham.
After some quick but in-depth research into the subject at hand a team of highly qualified experts has concluded that the sky is indeed NOT falling as suggested earlier by some random doomsday prophets.
Carry on, citizens!
That is all.
best post in this thread so far .. thanks for ruining my keyboard i will send it to you via escrow so you can remove the coffee from between the keys. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad!
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