I use my Skiff solo without an Orca/hauler/freighter/MTU to put in my ores/ice. Many people in the ice belts I frequent use their skiffs solo or with an Orca that just offers boost but no access to the FH. Furthermore, you fill your Skiff's ore hold with proper boosts in around 7 minutes. This allows for nearly no afk at all as you constantly need to empty your hold and watch the clock. For me, this is neither a positive nor a negative factor, it is a factor that balances out the tank this ship has.

Your mining yield is very inaccurate: I have to go to station 2 as often to unload my ice as a Mackinaw. In the same 15 minutes where I mine 30 ice blocks, a Mackinaw goes to station once and has mined 35 ice blocks. Furthermore, comparing Exhumers with Barges and Mining Frigates is a questionable way of proving your point. Barges are by definition less efficient than T2 hulls. If you want to compare, you have to compare the Proc with other Barges and Skiffs with other Exhumers to give a credible picture.

^^this^^

Unboosted, takes me 12m to fill and unload my skiff. I dock twice as often as the mack in my belt.

afk in the skiff? Nah, I'd be sportin the mack. And not with the gankers around, they made that choice for me.

Drone bonus is nice but means nothing in hisec, unless you wanna be on ganker killmails. Proc has a drone bonus, this is the t2.

The yield is stll in 3rd place. If somebody got a legit fleet (after Jan 1), then more power to them for being smart. And like your last attempt at nerfing this ship, a fleet can be nullified by bumpin the orca outta the belt.

Agree with these mates, you cannot use the fleet argument.



Onus is on you to prove that. Citation required

I don't need to. You can come and watch this ISBoxer eleven skiff with Orca & Freighter support mining fleet with me if you like.

For Hopelesshobo & Max Deveron:

Re Ore hold use. You HAVE to look how the Skiff is used in the real world/EVE based on it's statistics. If you TRY to use it as a solo mining vessel you will have to use jet cans which most people won't want to do. Or use an MTU which again can be destroyed fairly quickly so that isn't much better than jet can use. I defy you to find many Skiffs being used as solo mining vessels. You won't find many if any at all. It is a positive factor because it enables some 'afk' use or easier multi account 'atk' use as the hold can store several cycles worth of ore.

Re Drone Damage. The original OP and the previous discussion post which cam before this OP both mentioned null sec use as well as riskier sec status environments. I never stated I was only concerned about high sec use nor is this OP about ganking of Skiffs. It is about role based balancing of ships which is CCP's policy. Hopelesshobo says one Skiff can destroy one Catalyst. Where the Skiff is primarily used in fleet scenarios the available DPS can therefore be multiplied many times over. Again this is a positive factor.

Re Mining yield. Currently the Skiff is not in last place in terms of mining yield. It is in second place with the Mackinaw. The Covetor, Procurer, Retriever, Prospect, & Venture are all below it in yield.

I am calling for a drop in mining yield on the Skiff to balance the ship out given the other statistics of the ship.

I will amend the OP now to call for an unspecified reduction in mining yield. Maybe that will placate you.

I don't need to. You can come and watch this ISBoxer eleven skiff with Orca & Freighter support mining fleet with me if you like.

I think you are illustrating the real problem here - the Skiff isn't OP, it's just that gankers are making everyone pick it by default. That's not a problem with the Skiff, it's a problem with the gankers.

Also you must have never been a very good miner. Ore respawns aren't as static as you think.
In-depth article on rock spawning
When ore gets mined out, it will eventually respawn in the same belt, but not necessarily at the same location. It could all spawn on the part of the belt opposite one of your bookmarks. Which means when you warp to belt 1 - bookmark 1 you end up farther away than if you had warped to 0. What do you do then? Warp back to station and then warp to your other bookmark? Slowboat it to the rocks? This all takes more time, and this is why juggling bookmarks for each belt is stupid.

Even if the ore spawned in the same location every single time, the rocks closest to your bookmark could get mined out before you get there, which creates the same problem as above. Really making multiple bookmarks per belt isn't a sensible thing to do, and just clutters up the people & places menu. It's also not a valid argument against the Skiff's smaller ore hold. Travel time does impact the solo miner's ability to mine, and it's a problem only exaggerated by the smaller hold of the Skiff. Give it up already. You're grasping at straws here to nerf a ship that is already fairly well balanced.

Really why did I just spend all that time and effort explaining why an idea is stupid, when any player who actually mines rocks would know it's stupid and never do it? It's amazing how disconnected from reality a forum troll can get just to validate a single argument.

Let me say it again: this GAME is about KILLING stuff. It is the single most important aspect of EVE. Would you call ppl that play mmo FPS sociopaths for shooting each other?

Imagine for a moment if we could force you to engage in mining or industry at will, at your cost and our profit?
Might you perhaps think differently about that? Is that perhaps not what you pay to play subscription fees to do?