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Nelthaerius
Culpa Latas
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Posted - 2014.11.20 20:38:09 -
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I know this is a crazy and over talked about topic right now about the controversy over the rising PLEX prices and what to do about them and why they are going up. I don't want to say I found the solution because this game is a crazy sandbox, however here is my thoughts.
Factional P.L.E.X Amarr P.L.E.X Gallente P.L.E.X Caldari P.L.E.X Minmitar P.L.E.X
These time cards can be purchased by the typical fashion of LP+Isk and have the ability to be sold on market and on contracts. These can be sold off the current value of LP's and ultimately could be the same relative cost as say a Megathron Navy Issue with the LP+Isk cost. These can only be purchased in game, no real money. What Happens to Regular P.L.E.X? Obviously there will still be a great need for regular P.L.E.X's since not all players farm Loyalty Points or can buy with real money to sell for Isk like regular plex. And there will still be a need for PLEX for character transfers, AUR, Re-sculptures etc etc.
Faction Warfare This will ultimately affect Faction Warfare because the more people can farm, the less it costs to stay subbed. If Gallente lose too much space, Gallente pilots will want a larger turnout to keep their subscription costs down, generating PvP content. So now you really do have FACTIONAL wars because Amarr pilots who either have to choose between helping Amarr out to allow for lower subscription prices (With the Faction Plex) or paying the regular PLEX costs.
But I'm Minmatar and in Gallente Faction Warfare, this is unfair! Not really, since the average cost of plex should be constant with the highest Faction Plex. CCP should also consider allowing a limited time Faction change, all your skills stay the same, but you just change from Minmatar-Gallente etc etc. This can be done by your next clone you will be awoken as X Faction. After the free time it should cost 2 Normal Plex's to Faction change. Thus still keeping another necessity for regular Plexs.
Incursions Runners Incursion runners can trade in the concord LP for the Faction PLEX they will need, so no real need of worry for Incursion runners, just gives them the ability to also save up for their own game time without the need to do Faction Warfare or Missions
Mission Runners You should be fine, if you don't want to change mission hubs then just sell your current LP on the market for the isk to buy the one you need.
Downsides? There will be a war of market between regular PLEX costs and the Faction with the most expensive Faction PLEX. Not a bad thing.
Tl:Dr? Allows for more content and basis behind Factional Warfare. Market Competition will lower Isk Based Subscription Could be a huge content creator Less time needed to farm to keep subscription, allowing for more time for leisure and pvp? If 80% of your time in game is farming to keep your subscription for your x amount of alts, if we can lower Factional Plexs down to the 450m-550m this will decrease farm time needed and possibly allow for an increase in PvP content?
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1371
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Posted - 2014.11.20 20:42:07 -
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Nelthaerius wrote:I know this is a crazy and over talked about topic right now about the controversy over the rising PLEX prices and what to do about them and why they are going up. I don't want to say I found the solution because this game is a crazy sandbox, however here is my thoughts.
Factional P.L.E.X Amarr P.L.E.X Gallente P.L.E.X Caldari P.L.E.X Minmitar P.L.E.X
These time cards can be purchased by the typical fashion of LP+Isk and have the ability to be sold on market and on contracts. These can be sold off the current value of LP's and ultimately could be the same relative cost as say a Megathron Navy Issue with the LP+Isk cost. These can only be purchased in game, no real money. What Happens to Regular P.L.E.X? Obviously there will still be a great need for regular P.L.E.X's since not all players farm Loyalty Points or can buy with real money to sell for Isk like regular plex. And there will still be a need for PLEX for character transfers, AUR, Re-sculptures etc etc.
Faction Warfare This will ultimately affect Faction Warfare because the more people can farm, the less it costs to stay subbed. If Gallente lose too much space, Gallente pilots will want a larger turnout to keep their subscription costs down, generating PvP content. So now you really do have FACTIONAL wars because Amarr pilots who either have to choose between helping Amarr out to allow for lower subscription prices (With the Faction Plex) or paying the regular PLEX costs.
But I'm Minmatar and in Gallente Faction Warfare, this is unfair! Not really, since the average cost of plex should be constant with the highest Faction Plex. CCP should also consider allowing a limited time Faction change, all your skills stay the same, but you just change from Minmatar-Gallente etc etc. This can be done by your next clone you will be awoken as X Faction. After the free time it should cost 2 Normal Plex's to Faction change. Thus still keeping another necessity for regular Plexs.
Incursions Runners Incursion runners can trade in the concord LP for the Faction PLEX they will need, so no real need of worry for Incursion runners, just gives them the ability to also save up for their own game time without the need to do Faction Warfare or Missions
Mission Runners You should be fine, if you don't want to change mission hubs then just sell your current LP on the market for the isk to buy the one you need.
Downsides? There will be a war of market between regular PLEX costs and the Faction with the most expensive Faction PLEX. Not a bad thing.
Tl:Dr? Allows for more content and basis behind Factional Warfare. Market Competition will lower Isk Based Subscription Could be a huge content creator Less time needed to farm to keep subscription, allowing for more time for leisure and pvp? If 80% of your time in game is farming to keep your subscription for your x amount of alts, if we can lower Factional Plexs down to the 450m-550m this will decrease farm time needed and possibly allow for an increase in PvP content?
You want to create items on LP store which do the same thing as PLEX? |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5229
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Posted - 2014.11.20 20:43:17 -
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The point of a PLEX is that a player paid for them. Your system does create them from nothing. CCP would not gain any money from that, which would be a silly thing for them to implement.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Nelthaerius
Culpa Latas
9
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Posted - 2014.11.20 20:44:14 -
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Yes but since it will cost a set standard price of X isk and X LP, market manipulation will be highly unlikely. PLEX is a monopoly right now. Few people can control the market, and most people need it. CCP can't intervene too much, however this would almost but not necessarily put a cap on price through the content of eve. |
Nelthaerius
Culpa Latas
9
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Posted - 2014.11.20 20:45:13 -
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Abrazzar wrote:The point of a PLEX is that a player paid for them. Your system does create them from nothing. CCP would not gain any money from that, which would be a silly thing for them to implement. How so? People will still buy the normal ones to sell to avoid farming time? Since you can't buy the Faction this still creates a High need for the regular. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1853
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Posted - 2014.11.20 20:50:37 -
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Nelthaerius wrote:Yes but since it will cost a set standard price of X isk and X LP, market manipulation will be highly unlikely. PLEX is a monopoly right now. Few people can control the market, and most people need it. CCP can't intervene too much, however this would almost but not necessarily put a cap on price through the content of eve.
So really this is about you wanting cheaper PLEx. -1
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
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Nelthaerius
Culpa Latas
9
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Posted - 2014.11.20 20:52:43 -
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admiral root wrote:Nelthaerius wrote:Yes but since it will cost a set standard price of X isk and X LP, market manipulation will be highly unlikely. PLEX is a monopoly right now. Few people can control the market, and most people need it. CCP can't intervene too much, however this would almost but not necessarily put a cap on price through the content of eve. So really this is about you wanting cheaper PLEx. -1 I pay subscriptions, so not really. Would this not be a huge content creator in the realm of Faction Warfare? Reading the entire post helps. Not too mention player base is dwindling, and if people can afford to PvP more because they farm less, this lets me shoot at them more. |
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
108
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Posted - 2014.11.20 20:54:17 -
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Nelthaerius wrote:Yes but since it will cost a set standard price of X isk and X LP, market manipulation will be highly unlikely. PLEX is a monopoly right now. Few people can control the market, and most people need it. CCP can't intervene too much, however this would almost but not necessarily put a cap on price through the content of eve.
how much isk and how much lp? |
Nelthaerius
Culpa Latas
9
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Posted - 2014.11.20 20:55:34 -
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Lady Rift wrote:Nelthaerius wrote:Yes but since it will cost a set standard price of X isk and X LP, market manipulation will be highly unlikely. PLEX is a monopoly right now. Few people can control the market, and most people need it. CCP can't intervene too much, however this would almost but not necessarily put a cap on price through the content of eve. how much isk and how much lp? That's for the public to decide and CCP what they think is reasonable. It's the concept I want people to like, not my belief on costs. |
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
108
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Posted - 2014.11.20 20:59:05 -
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Nelthaerius wrote:Lady Rift wrote:Nelthaerius wrote:Yes but since it will cost a set standard price of X isk and X LP, market manipulation will be highly unlikely. PLEX is a monopoly right now. Few people can control the market, and most people need it. CCP can't intervene too much, however this would almost but not necessarily put a cap on price through the content of eve. how much isk and how much lp? That's for the public to decide and CCP what they think is reasonable. It's the concept I want people to like, not my belief on costs.
I have ~20 mil lp it should be just an LP cost. This would just promote farming which I'm all for but its not good for the game.
A few people cant control the Plex market because of the amount traded a day. |
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1372
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Posted - 2014.11.20 21:00:02 -
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Lady Rift wrote:Nelthaerius wrote:Yes but since it will cost a set standard price of X isk and X LP, market manipulation will be highly unlikely. PLEX is a monopoly right now. Few people can control the market, and most people need it. CCP can't intervene too much, however this would almost but not necessarily put a cap on price through the content of eve. how much isk and how much lp?
It does not matter. As long as it is not generated by a purchase with RL money, no PLEX like items will ever be created by CCP. It could cost 500 trillion isk and a quadrillion LP and CCP would still lose revenue on it so they would still not release such items. |
Nelthaerius
Culpa Latas
9
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Posted - 2014.11.20 21:02:16 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Lady Rift wrote:Nelthaerius wrote:Yes but since it will cost a set standard price of X isk and X LP, market manipulation will be highly unlikely. PLEX is a monopoly right now. Few people can control the market, and most people need it. CCP can't intervene too much, however this would almost but not necessarily put a cap on price through the content of eve. how much isk and how much lp? It does not matter. As long as it is not generated by a purchase with RL money, no PLEX like items will ever be created by CCP. It could cost 500 trillion isk and a quadrillion LP and CCP would still lose revenue on it so they would still not release such items. It also opens up the necessity for other plex options. Let alone if PLEXs drop in price, People will need to buy double the old plexs to continue flying the same shiny ships they did before so 1 Plex at 1B for 15$ or a player buying 2 500m plexs for 30$ to avoid farming, which brings in more revenue? |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5229
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Posted - 2014.11.20 21:05:48 -
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Nelthaerius wrote:Abrazzar wrote:The point of a PLEX is that a player paid for them. Your system does create them from nothing. CCP would not gain any money from that, which would be a silly thing for them to implement. How so? People will still buy the normal ones to sell to avoid farming time? Since you can't buy the Faction this still creates a High need for the regular. Faction only supplies game time, not to be used for AUR or any other services. The need for regular plex is still there, players will still need to buy them. It is game time not paid for with real money. This is neither financially feasible not reasonable.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
108
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Posted - 2014.11.20 21:09:11 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Lady Rift wrote:Nelthaerius wrote:Yes but since it will cost a set standard price of X isk and X LP, market manipulation will be highly unlikely. PLEX is a monopoly right now. Few people can control the market, and most people need it. CCP can't intervene too much, however this would almost but not necessarily put a cap on price through the content of eve. how much isk and how much lp? It does not matter. As long as it is not generated by a purchase with RL money, no PLEX like items will ever be created by CCP. It could cost 500 trillion isk and a quadrillion LP and CCP would still lose revenue on it so they would still not release such items.
I know that, I'm also not the original poster of this thread. It would be the death of eve. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1372
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Posted - 2014.11.20 21:09:36 -
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Nelthaerius wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Lady Rift wrote:Nelthaerius wrote:Yes but since it will cost a set standard price of X isk and X LP, market manipulation will be highly unlikely. PLEX is a monopoly right now. Few people can control the market, and most people need it. CCP can't intervene too much, however this would almost but not necessarily put a cap on price through the content of eve. how much isk and how much lp? It does not matter. As long as it is not generated by a purchase with RL money, no PLEX like items will ever be created by CCP. It could cost 500 trillion isk and a quadrillion LP and CCP would still lose revenue on it so they would still not release such items. It also opens up the necessity for other plex options. Let alone if PLEXs drop in price, People will need to buy double the old plexs to continue flying the same shiny ships they did before so 1 Plex at 1B for 15$ or a player buying 2 500m plexs for 30$ to avoid farming, which brings in more revenue?
Selling PLEX on the market for player revenue only works because the amount of PLEX on the market is limited by it's cost IRL. If you somehow can build PLEX out of thin air for less currency than the ISK value of a regular PLEX, people will generate those PLEX. If it can't be done, then it will not get used because you might as well convert those currency to ISK and then buy a regular PLEX.
It should be easy to understand, CCP will not introduce a PLEX like item which can be created without a real money transaction. |
xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
444
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Posted - 2014.11.20 21:11:53 -
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Nelthaerius wrote:Yes but since it will cost a set standard price of X isk and X LP, market manipulation will be highly unlikely. PLEX is a monopoly right now. Few people can control the market, and most people need it. CCP can't intervene too much, however this would almost but not necessarily put a cap on price through the content of eve.
You don't understand what 'monopoly' means. Hope this helps. |
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
108
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Posted - 2014.11.20 21:13:56 -
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xttz wrote:Nelthaerius wrote:Yes but since it will cost a set standard price of X isk and X LP, market manipulation will be highly unlikely. PLEX is a monopoly right now. Few people can control the market, and most people need it. CCP can't intervene too much, however this would almost but not necessarily put a cap on price through the content of eve. You don't understand what 'monopoly' means. Hope this helps.
imagine the pocket book of the few guys controlling the plex market. would make your alliance look super poor |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
3093
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Posted - 2014.11.20 21:15:44 -
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OP's idea would open up an avenue for RMT companies to start selling PLEX for real money without having to make any kind of financial investiment.
Yeah, no, this is never going to happen. |
Mag's
the united
18170
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Posted - 2014.11.20 21:18:39 -
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Oh dear. Yet another ill informed OP on the Plex.
Let's hope for a lock.
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Komi Toran
Paragon Trust The Bastion
384
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Posted - 2014.11.20 21:23:10 -
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Nelthaerius wrote:These time cards can be purchased by the typical fashion of LP+Isk... Your idea is bad and you should feel bad.
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Nelthaerius
Culpa Latas
9
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Posted - 2014.11.20 21:32:40 -
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Mag's wrote:Oh dear. Yet another ill informed OP on the Plex.
Let's hope for a lock. More people buying then selling Plex...remind me again how if people cant afford to buy a plex to sell on market instead of farming how will they want to spend the same on money subscriptions? |
Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
560
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Posted - 2014.11.21 10:29:59 -
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No F2P in my Eve thanks.
This is a bad idea. |
Mag's
the united
18171
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Posted - 2014.11.21 10:36:01 -
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Nelthaerius wrote:Mag's wrote:Oh dear. Yet another ill informed OP on the Plex.
Let's hope for a lock. More people buying then selling Plex...remind me again how if people cant afford to buy a plex to sell on market instead of farming how will they want to spend the same on money subscriptions? Wat?
Let me make you understand something you seem to have missed. CCP get money when people either convert a GTC/ETC to a plex, or buy a plex direct with RL cash. Either way CCP get RL monies.
Your idea = no RL monies.
Get it?
The reason the price is at the current hight, is due to supply and demand. Either play and pay with plex, or pay less with a years sub. I care not. But your idea is bad and as Komi Toran said, you should feel bad.
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Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two
45
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Posted - 2014.11.21 12:29:07 -
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Nelthaerius wrote:I know this is a crazy and over talked about topic right now about the controversy over the rising PLEX prices and what to do about them and why they are going up. I don't want to say I found the solution because this game is a crazy sandbox, however here is my thoughts.
Factional P.L.E.X Amarr P.L.E.X Gallente P.L.E.X Caldari P.L.E.X Minmitar P.L.E.X
These time cards can be purchased by the typical fashion of LP+Isk and have the ability to be sold on market and on contracts. These can be sold off the current value of LP's and ultimately could be the same relative cost as say a Megathron Navy Issue with the LP+Isk cost. These can only be purchased in game, no real money. What Happens to Regular P.L.E.X? Obviously there will still be a great need for regular P.L.E.X's since not all players farm Loyalty Points or can buy with real money to sell for Isk like regular plex. And there will still be a need for PLEX for character transfers, AUR, Re-sculptures etc etc.
Faction Warfare This will ultimately affect Faction Warfare because the more people can farm, the less it costs to stay subbed. If Gallente lose too much space, Gallente pilots will want a larger turnout to keep their subscription costs down, generating PvP content. So now you really do have FACTIONAL wars because Amarr pilots who either have to choose between helping Amarr out to allow for lower subscription prices (With the Faction Plex) or paying the regular PLEX costs.
But I'm Minmatar and in Gallente Faction Warfare, this is unfair! Not really, since the average cost of plex should be constant with the highest Faction Plex. CCP should also consider allowing a limited time Faction change, all your skills stay the same, but you just change from Minmatar-Gallente etc etc. This can be done by your next clone you will be awoken as X Faction. After the free time it should cost 2 Normal Plex's to Faction change. Thus still keeping another necessity for regular Plexs.
Incursions Runners Incursion runners can trade in the concord LP for the Faction PLEX they will need, so no real need of worry for Incursion runners, just gives them the ability to also save up for their own game time without the need to do Faction Warfare or Missions
Mission Runners You should be fine, if you don't want to change mission hubs then just sell your current LP on the market for the isk to buy the one you need.
Downsides? There will be a war of market between regular PLEX costs and the Faction with the most expensive Faction PLEX. Not a bad thing.
Tl:Dr? Allows for more content and basis behind Factional Warfare. Market Competition will lower Isk Based Subscription Could be a huge content creator Less time needed to farm to keep subscription, allowing for more time for leisure and pvp? If 80% of your time in game is farming to keep your subscription for your x amount of alts, if we can lower Factional Plexs down to the 450m-550m this will decrease farm time needed and possibly allow for an increase in PvP content?
P.L.E.X Items are bought with real cash not ingame cash so your idea is stuip. Plex prices are so high because there are so much people who play the game, so they can affort the plex to play the game. Pay your account, or play longer,.
-1 for the idea -1 for not thinking about the idea -1 for the crying that plex prices are to high (just don-¦t buy it it-¦s market economy ask/bid)
A big NO from my side |
Anthar Thebess
803
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Posted - 2014.11.21 13:10:22 -
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Each plex is bought by someone , and generates $ for CCP. I think even when CCP gives plexes during some contests they are not just created but come from banned accounts.
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Iris Bravemount
Eldar Army La Division Bleue
346
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Posted - 2014.11.21 13:18:20 -
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Your problem: too expensive PLEX.
What you think you want: LP for PLEX
What you actually need: More ISK sinks to counteract the inflation that drives the PLEX market.
It's not the PLEX that has been increasing in value, it's the ISK that has been dropping in value.
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Major Trant
287 Marine Regiment
1265
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Posted - 2014.11.21 13:30:42 -
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Absolutely ridiculous idea by someone who has no idea about how RL businesses are run, has not considered the possibility that CCP won't run the game if nobody is paying RL money for it and additionally, doesn't have the first clue about FW and the problem of farmers.
However, as I'm sitting on 9.3M Minmatar Militia LP: +1 |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
210
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Posted - 2014.11.21 13:34:30 -
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Nelthaerius wrote:Yes but since it will cost a set standard price of X isk and X LP, market manipulation will be highly unlikely. PLEX is a monopoly right now. Few people can control the market, and most people need it. CCP can't intervene too much, however this would almost but not necessarily put a cap on price through the content of eve. Most people don't need PLEX. They sub. The play to pay thing is weird since just about any job in the world, including begging in mexico city will pay better per hour. And turning real money into subscription or plex is also easy with soo many options outside credit cards.
So tell me, why do you think most people need PLEX but can't use real money to buy it. (Everyone i know pays for their subs and gets the odd plex for isk).
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DaeHan Minhyok
Multiplex Gaming The Bastion
29
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Posted - 2014.11.21 14:04:58 -
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OP clearly does not understand the purpose or value of PLEX. |
Komi Toran
Paragon Trust The Bastion
388
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Posted - 2014.11.21 18:18:12 -
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Iris Bravemount wrote:It's not the PLEX that has been increasing in value, it's the ISK that has been dropping in value. I don't think ISK has lost 16% of its value in the past month or so. In fact, I believe at Fanfest 2013 they showed that PLEX rose in price at a time when the rest of EVE was experiencing deflation.
So, it really is that PLEX is increasing in value. Whic isn't that surprising when you look at how many uses CCP keep inventing to put it towards. Expect PLEX to shoot up even more once custom ship painting enters the game. |
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