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plex alt 908671098348
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.21 22:47:33 -
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So, there are some things that I feel need to be changed. These ideas are going to be controversial and that's fine, not everyone will agree -- feel free to chime in even.
1. Drones need to be nerfed
Not only because drones are "the meta", but drones are a bit overpowered. Large sized drones are way too good at hitting small, agile targets, capable of destroying not only MWD frigates but sig-tanking AB frigates as well. Drones are a really fun part of the game and they introduce a lot of exciting concepts like having to decide whether or not to kill the drones and so on.
I don't really care how they would be nerfed, I'm sure CCP will find a way, but I think that something to do with signature radius and tracking would be a good start (also 7.5% bonus to tracking is an insane amount, especially when coupled with scripted tracking computers). inb4 whining about not being able to AFK-tar.
2. Multi-Sell had more serious implications than was expected
While I love multi-sell, there are some caveats that I'm not sure people are aware of. The benefits are obviously great, so I'm only going to focus on the downsides.
(i) It now requires more right clicks to sell items (of any quantity) unless the items are being sold as "immediate" As most people know, people who actually sell stuff a lot have to (a) sell the item and (b) view the market details. Previously there was a button that looked like a magnifying glass that would immediately open the market details for that item (analogous to placing a buy order). Suggested proposal: Add a non-right-clicky way to view market details on items in the multi-sell list and allow items to be dragged into the market window to view market details for that item.
(ii) As a competitive market PVPer, I can no longer intercept sales First of all, what does that even mean? Before multi-sell, I used to watch my transactions like a hawk, if I saw any one player sell to multiple buy orders within a short time period, I would immediately contact that player offering to purchase everything (s)he was selling for 5% over buy orders (assuming the item has >= 5% margin). Since Phoebe, every single convo I've started ends with "Oh, sorry, I used multi-sell -- it's all gone." There is no suggested proposal for this, multi-sell is here to stay. The only thing I can imagine is limiting the amount of items to multi-sell, which sounds like a bad idea.
3. Remote sensor boosters are too powerful
Alright, I know, it sounds like I'm just being a complaining little *****, doesn't it? Bear with me please. Remote sensor boosters are incredibly powerful. Even a sig tanking AB frigate will get instaWTFBBQ'd at a small gatecamp within 3 server ticks, provided there is at least one webbing ship and a bubble. This makes afterburners pretty useless in 0.0 space, which is pretty sad. Afterburners are still OK on cruisers, although oversized afterburners are taking the cake. Now, maybe remote sensor boosters are too powerful and maybe scan resolution in general needs to be nerfed, I don't know. I would really like to see a new use for the Vigil though, seeing as it's a very weak, long-ranged ship with a target painting bonus, why not let ships with dedicated TP bonuses have good scan resolution to act as dedicated painters, aiding the rest of the fleet in locking? However, I feel the need to point out that targeting range doesn't seem like too much of a problem, especially with tracking disruptors being what they are today. Suggested proposal: Slightly reduce scan resolution across the board for frigates and cruisers and reduce the bonus to scan resolution in remote sensor boosters (maybe reduce personal sebos scan res bonus slightly as well, I haven't done any math on those by themselves).
So, what do you guys think? Am I a whining little ***** or am I on to something? (That's a rhetorical question by the way, please provide constructive criticism) |
Mehrune Khan
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.21 23:02:38 -
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I don't believe in nerf. Nerf drones and everyone will just start using the next most popular weapon system - and then everyone will be whining to nerf that one next, and then the next one after that. It will be just like WoW.
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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
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Posted - 2014.11.21 23:03:37 -
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AB's do need a buff.. i would say reducing the mass, thus improving general agility aswell as speed..
sebos/remote sebos... perhaps reduce the scripts effectiveness a little
drones do need a nerf in certain places.
Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic.
Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please
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Amarisen Gream
Ark University ArK Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.21 23:16:52 -
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You "button" in multi-sell already exist.
The far right icon that list the % pos/neg compared and the = is the open market button.
Not to be an ass - it was explained in the Dev blog and patch notes. At least I remember it being somewhere. If not, I guess I just like to click things. Pushing people's buttons is a favorite hobby of mine.
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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plex alt 908671098348
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.22 00:03:16 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:You "button" in multi-sell already exist.
The far right icon that list the % pos/neg compared and the = is the open market button.
Not to be an ass - it was explained in the Dev blog and patch notes. At least I remember it being somewhere. If not, I guess I just like to click things. Pushing people's buttons is a favorite hobby of mine.
Thank you, I never realized this was a button. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2014.11.22 02:14:35 -
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Mehrune Khan wrote:I don't believe in nerf. Nerf drones and everyone will just start using the next most popular weapon system - and then everyone will be whining to nerf that one next, and then the next one after that. It will be just like WoW. What he says ^^^
No nerfs to drones or the dedicated drones ships as these items are starting to reach an equal place in PvE compared to all of the other types of weapons. I do not believe that they are OP even in PvP butif they are then we need to look as t adding to some of the other ships instead of taking away from drones.
There is always the other option, if they are the best then use them yourself. |
Leonard Nimoy II
Dark Force Protectorate Special Operators Federation Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.22 02:19:08 -
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Mehrune Khan wrote:I don't believe in nerf. Nerf drones and everyone will just start using the next most popular weapon system - and then everyone will be whining to nerf that one next, and then the next one after that. It will be just like WoW.
^^ This. Drones are fine. |
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
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Posted - 2014.11.22 03:01:37 -
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drones are NOT overpowered, there is no drone boat that gets more DPS then a non drone boat and there are no drugs or implants to improve drone tracking or damage. the only ship that MAY make them OP in some cases is the ishtar. that is no reason for a nerf
[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
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wopolusa
Pseudonym. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.11.22 03:41:22 -
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Ellendras Silver wrote:there is no drone boat that gets more DPS then a non drone boat
I agree with sort of but that is plain wrong, excluding blaster boats drones are probably the highest dps of all damage types (on bonused ships of course) with large, although delayed, range of damage. However they also have their weaknesses. Hence overall drones are on-par or slightly more powerful than other damage types. But low dps? that is far from true. |
Ceawlin Cobon-Han
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.23 13:25:14 -
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I'm a dedicated drone user.
I'm very surprised at the ease with which heavy drones can hit squarely small targets. When I started I was of the opinion that heavies were for BC/BS, with mediums for cruisers. Doesn't appear to be much of a role for mediums, unless the cruiser/BC is going too fast for the heavy drone to keep up. With this in mind, I would have no problem with heavy drones suffering a reduction in tracking. I would suggest also that the mediums gain some tank, as they are less able to tank cruisers, speed or otherwise.
I don't see the above as nerfing drones in the accepted sense. It's more like bringing them into line with other weapon systems; e.g. try hitting a frigate with a Limited Mega Ion Blaster |
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Zavand Crendraven
Rolling Static Gone Critical
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Posted - 2014.11.23 14:09:21 -
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Ceawlin Cobon-Han wrote:I'm a dedicated drone user.
I'm very surprised at the ease with which heavy drones can hit squarely small targets. When I started I was of the opinion that heavies were for BC/BS, with mediums for cruisers. Doesn't appear to be much of a role for mediums, unless the cruiser/BC is going too fast for the heavy drone to keep up. With this in mind, I would have no problem with heavy drones suffering a reduction in tracking. I would suggest also that the mediums gain some tank, as they are less able to tank cruisers, speed or otherwise.
I don't see the above as nerfing drones in the accepted sense. It's more like bringing them into line with other weapon systems; e.g. try hitting a frigate with a Limited Mega Ion Blaster They are in line with them if the frigate getting targeted by heavy drones doesnt move they wont hit. However if the frigate starts to move the drones will lag behind em and thus gets lower traversal which will translate to easier hits. Its basically the same as if you had been a frigate moving straight at a battleship AKA "blap me plox". |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.23 14:17:59 -
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Remove sentries from Ishtars and drones become fixed.
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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
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Posted - 2014.11.23 15:18:18 -
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baltec1 wrote:Remove sentries from Ishtars and drones become fixed.
nah thats too simplistic and doesn't really fix the issue of sentry drones..
sentries still have too many upsides and not enough realistic downsides. - nerf tracking and range a little -reduce all 10% damage bonuses on heavies/sentries on non battleship hulls down to 5% - make ecm effective against droneships, perhaps other e-war
Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic.
Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please
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