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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:26:00 -
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I have two reasonable questions for you guys.
1. Who do you think spends more, and why? 2. Do you think that group will have and retain CCP's focus?
1. I think Null spends more real cash on EvE. During the height of "people being pissed about bots/RMT", I looked at the amount of money spent by people that had used RMT services. Some of them spent over a thousand dollars. The majority spent at least 100. From everything I read, it seemed most of the money went to carrier or larger ships, not subscriptions. So while more people live in hisec, I think nullsec dwellers spend a lot of money on PLEX for caps.
2. Focus yes, 100% attention, no. A lot of people like to talk about how the Eve playerbase is older (and therefore wiser, lol) than other games. I tend to agree that CCP's target audience is middle aged men. That being said, 9-5'ers with a family are more likely to spend real money on a game. They are not as likely to spend the money on "space barbie" as a woman, and are more likely to spend it on something they want but don't have time to grind for. I think that is a big reason people seem to think "CCP wants everyone to move to nullsec".
I don't think CCP wants everybody to move to null, I think they want more people to fly caps on PLEX money. What do you think?
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
139
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:34:00 -
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Null is where the RMT monies get made. Meanwhile, I max out papa's MasterCard at some Russian dealer site so that I can buy the deadspace-fit Vindicator with which to kill helpless 3-month-old miners in 0.9 space. |
Chelone
Outside The Asylum
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:37:00 -
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If this is true, CCP has made a big mistake nerfing supercaps, no? |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
315
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:44:00 -
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[citation needed] (you make a bunch of assumptions, generalisation and even speculate on CCP's internal business decisions)
When it comes to meaningless conjecture though, I'd suggest that people in null sec spend more money on in-game resources simply because the toys they play with out in null sec are so much more expensive. In hisec you might buy a billion-ISK hull, fit it with 35B ISK of modules, and have at it, knave! In null sec, you might be tempted to buy a super carrier, the hull of which alone is worth more than that pimped out hisec missioning boat. And then you lose it more often than the hisec mission runner loses their 35B ISK pi+¦ata.
So averaged out per person, I would expect the ISK-bought-with-dollars per player statistic to be higher by an order of magnitude when comparing null sec to everywhere else.
Will CCP focus mainly on null sec? I don't expect so. I expect CCP to focus mainly on the types of activities that are commonly botted, and on players who see large, unprecedented ISK influxes.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
315
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:48:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:[the] 9-5'ers with a family are GǪ not as likely to spend the money on "space barbie" as a woman, and are more likely to spend it on something they want but don't have time to grind for.
Space barbies will provide a form of legitimate voyeurism (expect NeX sales to skyrocket if they ever introduce racy clothes for either gender). Remember, the Internet is for ****. And rule 34.
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Tore Vest
Vikinghall
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:55:00 -
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Highsec vs null Who is winning ? |
Cipher Jones
118
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Posted - 2011.11.28 07:03:00 -
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Quote:Will CCP focus mainly on null sec? I don't expect so. I expect CCP to focus mainly on the types of activities that are commonly botted, and on players who see large, unprecedented ISK influxes.
I wish. Not to say they didn't do a lot about it, its just not the prime directive.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.11.28 07:50:00 -
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There's a whole lot more people living in high sec space than null.
So even if the average null player spent more money, it adds up to nowhere near what is spent by high sec dwellers as a whole.
I'd say CCP should then, by your logic, be catering to casual high sec dwellers much more than a bunch of RMTing, bitter, whiny bot babies.
Mr Epeen If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
El 1974
Bendebeukers Green Rhino
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Posted - 2011.11.28 08:09:00 -
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Obviously the high sec dwellers spend a lot more RL cash than the nullsec dwellers. They buy PLEX, sell it in highsec for isk, buy stuff and many of them move the stuff to their PvP characters who live in nullsec. You don't sell PLEX or buy stuff in nullsec. Nullsec doesn't function without hisec. |
March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.11.28 09:02:00 -
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i used to pay with RL money for subscription 1 or little longer from the start. It was my high-sec time. Then i moved to 0.0 and stopped to spend RL money to subscription because PLEX became cheap for me.
I know 2 or 3 persons in my corp who pay for game time: 1 very busy in RL person from Britain and owner of 8 accounts from Slovenia. All other members use PLEXes.
Personally i think even after "all the crazy nerfs to 0.0" empire gives less ISKies than 0.0 (to casual player like me). So real money is needed more in empire. |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
200
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Posted - 2011.11.28 09:34:00 -
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Chelone wrote:If this is true, CCP has made a big mistake nerfing supercaps, no? They are BALANCING them... |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.11.28 10:17:00 -
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i used to not use plex in the beginning in 0.0. After ccp ignorance and neglection of certain issues i decided to live on plexes forever. My 3 accouts are all plexed up and im making enough isk by trading to keep it that way for the next 10 years. If i couldnt use plex i would have quitted and bought a car or a few nights with a really hot cg or something CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
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Posted - 2011.11.28 10:26:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:i used to not use plex in the beginning in 0.0. After ccp ignorance and neglection of certain issues i decided to live on plexes forever. My 3 accouts are all plexed up and im making enough isk by trading to keep it that way for the next 10 years. If i couldnt use plex i would have quitted and bought a car or a few nights with a really hot cg or something
+1
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VaMei
Meafi Corp
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Posted - 2011.11.28 10:33:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:There's a whole lot more people living in high sec space than null.
There's a whole lot more characters in high than in null, that's plain to see from the in game star map. Are there really more players in high?
For my part, my main spends a good deal of his time in both low and null, but my 5 alt characters will never leave hi-sec. If all you look at is where is the character, then my numbers are more than 5-1 in favor of high. If all you look at is where is the logged in character, then i'm propably closer to 50/50. If you look at what's the player paying attention to, those alts don't take that much of my time. Maybe 10% between the 5 of them. If you look at why does the player play, the alts exist only to fill the needs of the main (extra indy slots & trade alts). If that's all the game was, none of my characters would be here. |
StukaBee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.28 10:40:00 -
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VaMei wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:There's a whole lot more people living in high sec space than null. There's a whole lot more characters in high than in null, that's plain to see from the in game star map. Are there really more players in high?
Since CCP insists on moving all the reward to highsec and the risk to everywhere else, more and more 0.0 players have moved their alts into empire to get rich running L4s and incursions in safety. |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
81
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Posted - 2011.11.28 10:46:00 -
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StukaBee wrote:
Since CCP insists on moving all the reward to highsec and the risk to everywhere else, more and more 0.0 players have moved their alts into empire to get rich running L4s and incursions in safety.
I have heard that Goonswarm are claiming all lowsec incursions.... and are chasing all others away.... Is that true ?
I know for shure that you tried to take all highsec moms |
Galatea Galilei
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2011.11.28 11:33:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:2. Do you think that group will have and retain CCP's focus? If CCP wants to be as profitable as possible, they need to cater to as many different styles of play as possible. To "focus" on one or the other would be stupid from a money-making perspective, regardless of which group spends more. Leaving one pile money rather than taking both is less profitable, regardless of whether it's the bigger or smaller pile you leave behind. The smart thing is to take both. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
139
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Posted - 2011.11.28 12:08:00 -
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Galatea Galilei wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:2. Do you think that group will have and retain CCP's focus? If CCP wants to be as profitable as possible, they need to cater to as many different styles of play as possible. To "focus" on one or the other would be stupid from a money-making perspective, regardless of which group spends more. Leaving one pile money rather than taking both is less profitable, regardless of whether it's the bigger or smaller pile you leave behind. The smart thing is to take both. I see that online business degree from the University of Phoenix is finally paying off. |
Admiral Lolage
The Red Exhilez Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.28 13:56:00 -
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I remember back when spacemonkies tried to online a TCU in a NPC system Rainbow Dash is best pony! /)^3^(\ |
Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.28 14:11:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:I have two reasonable questions for you guys.
1. Who do you think spends more, and why? 2. Do you think that group will have and retain CCP's focus?
1. I think Null spends more real cash on EvE. During the height of "people being pissed about bots/RMT", I looked at the amount of money spent by people that had used RMT services. Some of them spent over a thousand dollars. The majority spent at least 100. From everything I read, it seemed most of the money went to carrier or larger ships, not subscriptions. So while more people live in hisec, I think nullsec dwellers spend a lot of money on PLEX for caps.
Where the fu*k you get this kind of information? Is there some forum thread where people say "hey i just spent 1k $ buying tons of iskies!"? Or are you some rmt-shop admin, that you have access to data who spent how much? And how do you know whey are high-sec or null-sec? If you talk about plex/TC trading, mot of the people sell them from neutral characters anyway.
From everything you read? Can you please share with the public where and what you read? Because seriously, i have no clue where to read any precise information about money spend by other people on iskies.
PS. i just read somewhere, that people who read somewhere about what other people do with their money, and then try to categorize them, are ******* ********.
For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
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Luh Windan
S T R A T C O M
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Posted - 2011.11.28 15:21:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:
random speculation that I'm trying to present as some sort of "facts"
but hey listen to the opinion I've derived from this because it's important enough for it's own thread
there - fixed it for you. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2011.11.28 15:25:00 -
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Chelone wrote:If this is true, CCP has made a big mistake nerfing supercaps, no?
pretty much.
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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:33:00 -
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Quote:Where the fu*k you get this kind of information? Is there some forum thread where people say "hey i just spent 1k $ buying tons of iskies!"?
Someone who does the RMT got their logs leaked. It was all over the internet including the 'old' forums. The highest group of transactions by one person was 6k. There were several over 1000.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Cipher Jones
119
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:37:00 -
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Luh Windan wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:
random speculation that I'm trying to present as some sort of "facts"
but hey listen to the opinion I've derived from this because it's important enough for it's own thread
there - fixed it for you.
Actually I asked a 2 questions and gave my opinion based on what I have observed. If you reel you can articulate a rebutal, please do. If you can't, the jokes on you.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
277
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:52:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:1. Who do you think spends more, and why?
I don't care at all but seems null sec is more about people having lots of free time for whatever reason I don't care either, this makes me think High sec players spend more real cash than null sec moon goo dealers.
Quote:2. Do you think that group will have and retain CCP's focus?
See my answer above: clearly doesn't and shouldn't, has none of those you've just set has being "one" or "the other" should. Makes a lot of time I'm not na+»ve any more so somehow yes I think one of those retains more attention from CCP or makes sort that CCP has to react in a certain direction.
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:44:00 -
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Chelone wrote:If this is true, CCP has made a big mistake nerfing supercaps, no?
no mistake, now super may die more often so more cash will flow.
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Shander Maxum
Shander Maxum Universal Ltd.
2
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:57:00 -
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I think a lot of 9 to 5 rs with families are very likely to
- not have extra disposable income for however much they make there are always opptunities like camps or tutoring or clothing, or fees and equipment for sports teams that they'd like to have extra money to spend for them --- of course they will ejnoy some of the money they make on their own luxurires but if it comes to saving $15 bucks and getting blown up in a black bird or sabre instead of a rohk or a phobos, they probably will chose the money for their kids first
- lots of people i've met in game with regular jobs and familes particularly ENJOY making isk ... far from being a grind it is a big part of the escapist pleasure making Billions and Billions...even if the promotions and or big money clients are alluding them, they can take a bit of pleasure getting filthy rich in game like they'd have hoped they would in real life but learned as they matured that a stable job that will put a good roof over their families head and will provide them health insurance is something to be proud of and that the opportunities and risks to pull for more don't seem like high odds bets at their place and time. Still, they can enjoy getting wealthier each night in game., being major finaciers or industrialists and enjoy that fantasy and fantasy is what these games are largely about.
Sweeping statements don't work though.. there are plenty with larger disposable income who don't like making isk and those might by plex while other working people enjoy the isk making process as i described above. |
Feilamya
12
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Posted - 2011.11.28 20:58:00 -
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Highsec dwellers are the hamsters who are running this game. Don't blame CCP for feeding them. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
3
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:17:00 -
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Shander Maxum wrote:I think a lot of 9 to 5 rs with families are very likely to
- not have extra disposable income for however much they make there are always opptunities like camps or tutoring or clothing, or fees and equipment for sports teams that they'd like to have extra money to spend for them --- of course they will ejnoy some of the money they make on their own luxurires but if it comes to saving $15 bucks and getting blown up in a black bird or sabre instead of a rohk or a phobos, they probably will chose the money for their kids first
- lots of people i've met in game with regular jobs and familes particularly ENJOY making isk ... far from being a grind it is a big part of the escapist pleasure making Billions and Billions...even if the promotions and or big money clients are alluding them, they can take a bit of pleasure getting filthy rich in game like they'd have hoped they would in real life but learned as they matured that a stable job that will put a good roof over their families head and will provide them health insurance is something to be proud of and that the opportunities and risks to pull for more don't seem like high odds bets at their place and time. Still, they can enjoy getting wealthier each night in game., being major finaciers or industrialists and enjoy that fantasy and fantasy is what these games are largely about.
Sweeping statements don't work though.. there are plenty with larger disposable income who don't like making isk and those might by plex while other working people enjoy the isk making process as i described above.
Lot's of truth and reality in this post.
There are probably a lot of casual players who remain in HiSec due to actually having a RL. |
Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERYWHERE
69
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:21:00 -
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I don't have a lot of anecdotal experience to comment with either way, but my guess would be null-sec players who are really into PvP. PvP is an emotionally involved experience and when it comes to such an intimate relationship with anything, money gets a whole lot easier to spend.
Why nullsec specifically instead of PvPers in general... either you pay for an alt to manage safe income or you're trapped with the need to make a decision. So, territorialism takes effect and that's doubly involved.
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |
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