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Kagehisa Shintaro
We Make Weapons
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:08:01 -
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Stephan Schneider wrote:all the lost money for ccp
i can see hundreds of mining alts just die
just change it so the ban only goes for pvp related activities
Why should PvE be exempt from this rule???
As a multibox miner (not ISBoxer, genuine at my screen multi boxing) I completely agree on equal footing with PvPers in relation to automation and fair treatment etc.
Radkiel wrote:Gina Taroen wrote:lol wonder how many people will quit because of this :D I just unsubbed all of my accounts, I'll play until the 1st then find another game. I fail to see how multiboxing affects anyone around me.
Automation of the multiboxing affects everyone, everywhere... It devalues what the person who manually controls multiple accounts does, it devalues what the person who runs 1 account does. It doesn't help people stay on equal footing. I agree that someone who runs 1 account shouldn't be on equal footing with someone who runs 10, but they should be able to compete with 1 of my 10 accounts at least. (I don't run all 10 at once, infact most are unsubbed atm).
If this is a ban on ISBoxer, without naming ISBoxer, or rather lets say "Multibox Software", then I say fair play to CCP for making the decision. Sure it will affect things in the immediate future, but I think in the long run it will be better for the game. |
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
89
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:08:31 -
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Wormholers, supers, invention skills, now iskboxers. So sweet.
We need a Bucket Of Tears christmas gift.
I will buy them up and make a bath out of them. Oh, I think we also need a bathtub in CQ for that. Even if through NEX store. Still worth it. |
Systimus
Nightweave Operations Revenant Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:08:50 -
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I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.
Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead. |
Daniel Jackson
Liandri Sanctuary Corps Liandri Covenant
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:09:54 -
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what exactly is Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing? i still don't understand is using the logitech keyboards GKEY binds Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing ?
I Vote YES! for Downloadable HI-RES Textures!!!!
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
2762
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:10:28 -
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I disagree with this change, but I am not surprised CCP has come to this decision.
What is surprising is their decision to do so at the expense of account subs. I applaud their dedication to what they feel is the spirit of the game.
Call me Joe.
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Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
8673
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:11:11 -
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Systimus wrote:I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.
Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.
Bye..
Stoof?
I like Bacon.
Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap.
Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!
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kraken11 jensen
Californian CottonPickers
2
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:11:21 -
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Systimus wrote:I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.
Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.
Well, isb boxer is not banned. so you're luckey that you did not do pve like me :) I wish i enjoyed mining... But i dont fit to it.. Also the brodcasting to multiple screens is pretty mutch useless in mining anyway, who need to Lock all accounts to same stones, right? lol . :) (Hm, and im sorry if this going to make issues for you... i feel With you) :/ |
Utari Onzo
united system's commonwealth
35
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:11:48 -
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Systimus wrote:I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.
Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.
Why unsub? The only action that is banned is pressing one button to activate the command over all accounts simultaniously. You could carry on using ISBoxer to manage all the clients so long as you're inputing one command for one account at a time. ISBoxer can make managing multiple UIs easier without breaking the rules, you just have to use more manual input. |
Bisu Deckryder
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
10
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:12:02 -
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Systimus wrote:I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.
Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead. I rather suspect you'll wind up in wow instead, but feel free. If clicking 4 times instead of once is so hard on you, maybe you should stop typing so much and seek out a doctor before you do permanent damage to your hands and wrists. |
Kassasis Dakkstromri
Yumping Amok Circle-Of-Two
269
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:12:38 -
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Capri Sun KraftFoods wrote:As someone who actually ISBox's bombers I'm a little upset.
The problem isn't ISBoxer. The problem is that bombs as they currently stand are completely broken Sure isboxer exacerbates the problem significantly, but you can still get 30 dudes into a fleet easily and go kill anything with 4 waves that isn't a T3 or a faction battleship. I'd be happy to see my bomber accounts become useless and de-sub them if it meant I didn't have to worry about getting hell bombed every other fleet.
What BL too addicted to nullified Tengus that you can't get them to fly bombers?
RIP EMP
CCP you are bad at EVE... Stop potential silliness ~ Solo Wulf
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Wille Sanara
Zakarum Industries Exiliar Syndicate
10
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:12:45 -
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Wow, I must say I didnt see it coming, but definitelly welcome it. Good job CCP! |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1581
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:12:50 -
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The new CCP - drastic action for strengthening game play even at the cost of current accounts. Good stuff.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Lord Moridin
Big Shadows The Initiative.
8
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:13:05 -
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Am I the only one who want a definition to the definition?
What's the difference between this macro definition and this input & broadcasting definition? Some practical examples of what is OK and what is NOT OK would be nice.
Perhaps the explanation is there but threadnought is +30 pages now. |
Jvpiter
Jovelike
2762
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:13:08 -
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Systimus wrote:I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.
Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.
I doubt you're going to multibox mine in that game, but thanks for informing us.
Call me Joe.
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Abernie
Task Force Proteus Protean Concept
153
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:13:41 -
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Great change, A+
Also I made a flowchart for you who can't be bothered to read the OP: AM I GOING TO GET BANNED???
Do let me know if I messed something up when making that. |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
259
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:14:02 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Alp Khan wrote:Never establish a rule that you cannot enforce with considerable accuracy. Have you ANY experience in the real world. That would negate most laws and legal systems. m
I'm sure that most laws and legal systems emphasize enforcement with considerably accuracy. If someone is suspected of committing an offense against a certain law, they are tried, the facts are reviewed and a judgement is brought forward on whether they have committed such an offense or not.
Besides server-side behavioral analysis that leverages command/input timing comparison between multiboxing clients from the server side, I don't see any reliable method that CCP can differentiate between non-EULA violating usage and EULA compliant usage of ISBoxer. |
virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation
178
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:14:04 -
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+1 for this. Well done CCP :) You are really restoring my faith in you after some pretty large **** ups in the past. I think this will be very good for the game. Please enforce it properly. |
Utari Onzo
united system's commonwealth
35
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:14:20 -
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Daniel Jackson wrote:what exactly is Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing? i still don't understand is using the logitech keyboards GKEY binds Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing ?
The easiest explanation is if you push one button, and it sends the command to multiple accounts at the same time it's NOT OK.
Using ISBox to 'tile' your clients on one monitor, but then manually inputting a command to each individual client is OK. |
Angus McRothimay
Norse Complex Inc
4
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:14:23 -
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JIeoH Mocc wrote:Zishy Linaris wrote:goodbye ccp. 12 accounts unsubbed as of now. i feel bullshitted for my time i invested but **** happens I've a feeling that, by this rate - this thread is going to account for more unsubbed characters than there were ever subbed. (Obligatory your stuff, can i haz remark)
I am sure that many accounts will be 'unsubbed' now that that they cannot be isboxed to cover the cost of subscription....
However, using an exploit to cover the cost of subscription isn't really subscribing, If no one spent real money on the game there would be no game to play.
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Airi Cho
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:14:23 -
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Systimus wrote:I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.
Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.
lol ... seriously ... 4 toon mining and you needed isboxer for it? good god, kids are lazy nowadays. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6836
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:14:32 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Good decision. This will make EVE a better game. There's been some decent stuff this year.
Whether it will be better or not remains to be seen.
It will certainly be different, though, and I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out. CCP had been stagnating for some time and now that a new captain is at the helm we are seeing some bold changes.
At the end of the day, it's all about me and I'm just trying to figure out how best to make a pile of ISKies from these new changes. I can see the potential for some to become very rich, very fast and others to quickly lose it all and ragequit. I intend to be on the 'getting very rich' end of that situation.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13998
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:15:27 -
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Systimus wrote:I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.
Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.
I will take your stuff you no longer need.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
253
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:15:27 -
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Malcolm Lionel wrote:gg mining. It was fun. If you had to isbox to mine, it wasn't really fun. ;)
"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."
"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka
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Servant's Lord
Everlasting Vendetta.
73
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:15:53 -
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As the CEO of a corp with a high population of multiboxers and an Isboxer myself(10-15 chars), I fully support these changes.
What these changes will have a large effect on/kill:
-Retards who put little effort into their isboxer setups -People running ridiculous amounts of characters (>25)
These changes won't affect me and my corp much at all since we don't fall into either of those two categories. We don't use broadcasting for anything necessary, and the end result is that things we do only a handful of times in a play session take us 15-20 seconds instead of 3-5.
The tears in this thread have been great from the retards who can't adapt, and the horribly misguided smug from all the retards who believe this will kill isboxer is even better. ;)
I won't be going anywhere, nor will I be unsubbing any of my accounts over this change, nor will my corp(and all our multiboxers) be affected by this change.
+1 CCP for kicking out the retards, and +1 for making plex prices eat ****. I will likely be resubbing a few more chars if plex prices keep dropping. ;) |
Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
59
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:16:23 -
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Capri Sun KraftFoods wrote:As someone who actually ISBox's bombers I'm a little upset.
The problem isn't ISBoxer. The problem is that bombs as they currently stand are completely broken Sure isboxer exacerbates the problem significantly, but you can still get 30 dudes into a fleet easily and go kill anything with 4 waves that isn't a T3 or a faction battleship. I'd be happy to see my bomber accounts become useless and de-sub them if it meant I didn't have to worry about getting hell bombed every other fleet.
No, there's no problem at all with 30 PEOPLE getting together and using bombers, as intended, to kill things.
The problem is when one ******* uses 30 accounts and isboxer to do it even better than 30 people can.
I'm sorry, you are wrong. ISBOXER is 90% of the problem. Very glad it's gone. Sure, bombers need some tweaking to balance them out a bit.... but isboxer is absolutely a HUGE problem and has been since... forever.
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.-á He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5536
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:16:24 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:War Kitten wrote:Hopelesshobo wrote:So, because broadcasting is being banned as of 01 Jan 2015, does that mean on 01 Jan 2015, cloaks will be reverted again to not decloaking each other while cloaked since the main reason this was changed back was to nerf broadcasting bombers together? Keep up with the times... they already changed their minds on that one before even implementing it. Nothing to revert. Hey! Thanks for that, I missed it. So the decloak other cloaked ships thing is not going to be implemented eh? Excellent. I much prefer this solution.
No problem... here's CCP Fozzie's post on the topic: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5159156#post5159156
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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Kassasis Dakkstromri
Yumping Amok Circle-Of-Two
269
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:16:43 -
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+100
First "This is EVE!" Trailer, and now this!
All Hail CCP Falcon!!!
CCP you are bad at EVE... Stop potential silliness ~ Solo Wulf
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David Therman
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:16:45 -
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ISboxer is dead, long li...
Ah, screw it;
A picture is worth a thousand words
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
2762
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:17:33 -
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Angus McRothimay wrote:However, using an exploit to cover the cost of subscription isn't really subscribing, If no one spent real money on the game there would be no game to play.
The cost of subscription is always paid with real money. There may simply be less buyers of PLEX but we don't have enough information to make a definitive conclusion.
Call me Joe.
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Tappits
north eastern swat Pandemic Legion
68
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:17:41 -
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EVE Online client settings GÇóWindow positions and arrangements (of the EVE Online client in your operating systemGÇÖs desktop environment) GÇóThe login process
Yay... because that's all i use Isboxer for so i am not concerned any more. Thanks CCP for sorting this out.
Maybe you should also sort were you can run multiple trial accounts in windows by setting each .EXE file to different Compatibility modes while your at ti. |
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