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Marilyn Maulerant
Throng of the Drone Amalgamate The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:49:26 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Marilyn Maulerant wrote:Seems that the OP here goes 100% against the following line in that page "Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA." yes andthey CHANGED their terms. Somethingthey are entitled to. And they are giving a fair warning of 1 month in advance.
I don't disagree with it at all, in fact I like it TBH, and I think that for most of us, it won't matter.
If anyone reads the text on that page though, they will need to remember that this supersedes that now.
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Ginger Barbarella
2041
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:49:26 -
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ashley Eoner wrote: So what happens when CCP's connections is being DDoSed or doing it's usual lag at random late hours and all my commands arrive at the server at the same time? From the server's perspective it'd look like I'm using a repeater but in reality all I did was alt tab through a bunch of windows quickly.
Blue sky must mean the planet is surrounded by water (according to your logic)...
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3103
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:50:18 -
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Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25645
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:51:39 -
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hahahah that's just mean bro.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
2451
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:52:14 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:AFK cloaking is a perfectly fine and normal mechanic. Either ignore the guy and hope that he is AFK, or take defensive measures. Problem solved. No. Look at the trillions of isk worth of damage that one man (Replicator) with tens of accounts did to goons, according to Gevlon Goblin- statistician extraordinaireEdit: Teckos Pech wrote:It is totally irrelevant to this discussion as well. Does AFK cloaking make use of 3rd party software? No. No EULA violation even remotely possible. Discussion over (as far as this thread is concerned--i.e. take it elsewhere). Counterpoint: we and others use isboxer to manage afk cloakers, both to move them into position and to gather intel from them blammo
AFK cloaking is still irrelevant so long as you aren't using ISBoxer (and broadcasts--using it to manage CPU and/or memory is another thing). The cloaking mechanic itself is a built in game feature. So, no issue.
Seriously people need to stop trying to usurp this to their own personal crusade.
EDIT: BTW, that argument against AFK cloaking is like saying ratting is against the EULA since some ratters used ISBoxer.
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Firestorm Delta
Aphotic Machina
42
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:53:23 -
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La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment.
I could actually go along with that, the rare times I do mine I'm not afk anyway. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
320
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:53:41 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:I give it 4 megathreads before this guy and others saying the same thing start making threads in Eve Industry about the rising prices of all t1 items made from minerals, because all of these cheating multibox miners are quitting
The rise in prices for mods should lead to a decrease in Plex prices, making the overall effect positive. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1268
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:53:48 -
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La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair? |
Marilyn Maulerant
Throng of the Drone Amalgamate The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:54:09 -
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Rain6637 wrote:hahahah that's just mean bro.
Naw, just make it apply to all modules in the game and it would be fair.
o/
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Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
203
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:54:15 -
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1 person operated fleets won't be against the rules, just using a program to operate them all at once will be, you can still click through each client, you just can't use a program to automate it.
Even if you found a way for isboxer to delay it's commands randomly to each miner it would still be automation and against the rules.
Lets face it, isboxers were a literal cancer killing eve.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3107
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:56:52 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair?
Repeated automated input without any user interaction, it gives an unfair advantage to those of us that use it. Its a fairly abused mechanic too if you consider all of the AFK miners about.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:58:06 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair?
Automation. CCP needs to take a fair stance on these things after all.
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Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:58:47 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:AFK cloaking is still irrelevant so long as you aren't using ISBoxer (and broadcasts--using it to manage CPU and/or memory is another thing). The cloaking mechanic itself is a built in game feature. So, no issue.
Seriously people need to stop trying to usurp this to their own personal crusade.
EDIT: BTW, that argument against AFK cloaking is like saying ratting is against the EULA since some ratters used ISBoxer.
Every time you post, it's reminding me about afk cloaking because of your signature. Thanks.
And no, it's not. But nice try. |
Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:59:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair? Repeated automated input without any user interaction, it gives an unfair advantage to those of us that use it. Its a fairly abused mechanic too if you consider all of the AFK miners about.
Yeah dude, people should have to actually play this game if they want to progress.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1269
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:59:23 -
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La Nariz wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair? Repeated automated input without any user interaction, it gives an unfair advantage to those of us that use it. Its a fairly abused mechanic too if you consider all of the AFK miners about. And how does that differ from the auto repeat of any other module? Or are you in favor of the wholesale removal of auto repeat? |
Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
342
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:59:43 -
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Balder Verdandi wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Fonac wrote:So is-boxer is banned?
edit: I Honestly dont care about is-boxer or what it can do, since i've never used it, or met anyone who uses it. But the OP is not very clear on it. isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned. CCP & CSM's ... Posts like this do absolutely zero good. You both need to detail what IS allowed, and what ISN'T allowed. This typical "VagueBook" garbage doesn't fly with any of the players, and a simple explanation detailing what is allowed and what isn't, in a bullet style list, wouldn't have gotten you 40 pages of "please explain what you mean" posts. Seriously, stop beating your heads with boards like in Monty Python and talk to us like adults. We're grown ups, we can handle it. As that was exactly what the first post was (essentially), you're premise is flawed. What happens when they do that is that the people who don't like it spend 40 pages trying to find the edges of the rule so they can try and skirt the spirit while obeying the letter of the rule.
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
261
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:00:20 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:I give it 4 megathreads before this guy and others saying the same thing start making threads in Eve Industry about the rising prices of all t1 items made from minerals, because all of these cheating multibox miners are quitting
The great irony is that as ingame prices rise plex prices shall fall.
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Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:01:07 -
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Also, it's a proven fact that the CCP is more likely to push through a change depending on the relative number of posts from members of Goonswarm Federation in the thread. The more posts, the more likely the change is going to happen- whether or not the posts support the change.
I think we'll keep posting on this one. |
Firestorm Delta
Aphotic Machina
42
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:01:36 -
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Syllviaa wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair? Automation. CCP needs to take a fair stance on these things after all.
They did already.
Are you using third party software/hardware? If yes then you are in violation of the EULA.
I can only get behind removing auto repeat from mining lasers, or at least strip miners to cut down on afk mining, also I know full well it'll never happen. |
Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:01:44 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair? Repeated automated input without any user interaction, it gives an unfair advantage to those of us that use it. Its a fairly abused mechanic too if you consider all of the AFK miners about. And how does that differ from the auto repeat of any other module? Or are you in favor of the wholesale removal of auto repeat?
Yep, auto-repeat needs to go, period. CCP has shown that they are willing to change their stance on these thing & the banning of ISboxer automation was a beginning step in the right direction. Now they need to follow through.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3107
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:01:55 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:1 person operated fleets won't be against the rules, just using a program to operate them all at once will be, you can still click through each client, you just can't use a program to automate it.
Even if you found a way for isboxer to delay it's commands randomly to each miner it would still be automation and against the rules.
Lets face it, isboxers were a literal cancer killing eve.
I agree using a program such as the .exe for eve to operate all the mining lasers at once and make them repeat exactly as the cycle ends is cancerous and killing eve.
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Marilyn Maulerant
Throng of the Drone Amalgamate The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:02:52 -
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La Nariz wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair? Repeated automated input without any user interaction, it gives an unfair advantage to those of us that use it. Its a fairly abused mechanic too if you consider all of the AFK miners about.
Then you wholeheartedly support applying the one cycle per click limit on ALL modules in EvE right? Armor reppers, shield boosters, resistance mods, guns, missiles, ect ect ect.
o/
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:03:04 -
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Firestorm Delta wrote:Syllviaa wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair? Automation. CCP needs to take a fair stance on these things after all. They did already. Are you using third party software/hardware? If yes then you are in violation of the EULA. I can only get behind removing auto repeat from mining lasers, or at least strip miners to cut down on afk mining, also I know full well it'll never happen.
That's what the ISboxers said, but CCP that they are willing to change their stance on these matters.
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Hott Pocket
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:04:41 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Bakla Firoz wrote:I was so shocked when I found out that CCP specifically confirmed multiple times that isboxing to control multiple accounts was allowed. So why the sudden change of heart?
Nothing has changed and therefore you owe those people who have trained up 10, 20, 30, 50(?) accounts a MASSIVE apology. How about those who have recently paid for 3 month (the minimum) subscription on isboxer because you said it was okay? The very least you could do is admit you were wrong. 1 month is minimum.
I have 10 accounts. Three of them I will keep forever, because I absolutely love Eve. 7 are ISBoxer miners, paid in full until October 2015. I fully support the (effective) banning of ISBoxer, as it will be easier to be competitive without it. However, will CCP offer ISBoxers with a significant real $$ investment a way out? Perhaps converting unused subs to PLEX, or moving the game time to my other accounts?
I understand that the game will change as CCP sees fit, but as the poster above stated, CCP has repeatedly clarified that they are ok with ISBoxer. If it had been a grey area, I would have never started the extra accounts. Here's hoping CCP will make this right...
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3107
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:05:42 -
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Marilyn Maulerant wrote:La Nariz wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair? Repeated automated input without any user interaction, it gives an unfair advantage to those of us that use it. Its a fairly abused mechanic too if you consider all of the AFK miners about. Then you wholeheartedly support applying the one cycle per click limit on ALL modules in EvE right? Armor reppers, shield boosters, resistance mods, guns, missiles, ect ect ect. o/
It doesn't make sense for non-mining equipment because in 10%TIDI we only get one cycle in the first place. Miners never experience 10%TIDI in great numbers so auto repeat as mike azariah put it "doesn't make sense."
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Macker Momo
The Big Moe Eternal Pretorian Alliance
26
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:07:08 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Black Ambulance wrote:February at Evenews24
Devs allowing Isboxer back as there were no Christmas bonuses due to mass unsub From my read the only mass anything here is the people in loud SUPPORT of this move. Let the botters leave to farm another game. I don't care in the slightest.
Yes. Go quickly! I'm wondering who will buy their toons...miner 14, miner 15, miner 16. Talk about a grief magnet.
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
342
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:07:20 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:
Except they already have a massive amount of subjectiveness with their current wording. Just look at how many pages of argument this has spawned.
As to the defender thing, I merely mentioned that because if i didn't, what would happen if someone in a site gets dropped? WOuld he have to take the losses without trying to defend himself?
The only reason this is spawning so much discussion is people are being deliberately obtuse to try and wiggle around it. And your defense argument is a strawman. Let it go before you make yourself look even more foolish.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1270
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:08:19 -
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La Nariz wrote:Marilyn Maulerant wrote:La Nariz wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair? Repeated automated input without any user interaction, it gives an unfair advantage to those of us that use it. Its a fairly abused mechanic too if you consider all of the AFK miners about. Then you wholeheartedly support applying the one cycle per click limit on ALL modules in EvE right? Armor reppers, shield boosters, resistance mods, guns, missiles, ect ect ect. o/ It doesn't make sense for non-mining equipment because in 10%TIDI we only get one cycle in the first place. Miners never experience 10%TIDI in great numbers so auto repeat as mike azariah put it "doesn't make sense." So outside of Tidi it would be fair for all modules since they operate the same and inside of Tidi it doesn't work thus it would still be fair to remove it for all modules. |
Firestorm Delta
Aphotic Machina
42
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:09:50 -
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Syllviaa wrote:Firestorm Delta wrote:Syllviaa wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Another unfair automated thing that can be removed is auto-repeat for mining equipment. How is that unfair? Automation. CCP needs to take a fair stance on these things after all. They did already. Are you using third party software/hardware? If yes then you are in violation of the EULA. I can only get behind removing auto repeat from mining lasers, or at least strip miners to cut down on afk mining, also I know full well it'll never happen. That's what the ISboxers said, but CCP have shown that they are willing to change their stance on these matters.
ISboxers are also using third party software that was questionable in regards to the EULA, the way modules function is a part of EVE and functions in the way CCP chooses. Everyone has the same functionality in regards to modules. If you don't want any automation at all then you are more than capable of turning off auto-repeat on all your modules.
The only thing CCP did now was take a stance on the use of something that has always been technically against the EULA. The fact that they allowed it for some time does not change that fact. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3108
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:10:51 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:So outside of Tidi it would be fair for all modules since they operate the same and inside of Tidi it doesn't work thus it would still be fair to remove it for all modules.
Of course because of TIDI its necessary for other modules but, miners do not experience it in great numbers so its not necessary for them. As mike azariah would say "it doesn't make sense" for mining equipment to have auto-repeat.
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