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Cervix Thumper
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:12:18 -
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Eryn Velasquez wrote:
If a single person with a single account needs 10 days to plex his account, he than has 20 days to mine/pve or whatever to gain ISK worth 2 additional plexes. the single person with 10 accounts makes ISK worth 20 additional plexes in the same time. As he doesn't need those ISK to plex his account, he can buy a super/titan 10 times faster than the single player.
In theory yes, that is possible if all the funds were channeled to the main character. In practice that may have happened but usually skill costs, ammo costs and general main costs prohibit that. As stated keeping 10 toons is 10 times more expensive than keeping 1 toon. When you're talking an end game ship (you can't go any further), it is actually easier to fast track it on a single character and plex that toon.
We're not talking theory here.. that are no "what if s" or "he COULD do that" . CCP has made a decision and many (too many) have a misconception of what is really happening on our side. Our side is the exact same as yours... we just have more toons doing it.
If it costs you xxx to replace a ship... it costs us the same. Skill books and time are the same only compounded. No biggie.
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Llama Cantari
The Waldos
0
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:16:44 -
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11/10 To all ISBoxers rage unsubbing, don't let the door hit you, contract me your **** before you log. ( Just don't multiplex to do it please. ) KThxBaiNao!
Long overdue, well done CCP. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
841
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:19:45 -
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Cervix Thumper wrote:Eryn Velasquez wrote:
If a single person with a single account needs 10 days to plex his account, he than has 20 days to mine/pve or whatever to gain ISK worth 2 additional plexes. the single person with 10 accounts makes ISK worth 20 additional plexes in the same time. As he doesn't need those ISK to plex his account, he can buy a super/titan 10 times faster than the single player.
In theory yes, that is possible if all the funds were channeled to the main character. In practice that may have happened but usually skill costs, ammo costs and general main costs prohibit that. As stated keeping 10 toons is 10 times more expensive than keeping 1 toon. When you're talking an end game ship (you can't go any further), it is actually easier to fast track it on a single character and plex that toon. We're not talking theory here.. there are no "what if s" or "he COULD do that" . CCP has made a decision and many (too many) have a misconception of what is really happening on our side. Our side is the exact same as yours... we just have more toons doing it. If it costs you xxx to replace a ship... it costs us the same. Skill books and time are the same only compounded. No biggie.
accelerated gameplay lies in the higher efficiency of broadcasted input. While you would loose a lot of time cycling through your clients, locking targets at each single one of them manually, firing weapons manually, you name it, isbotter removes most of this human interaction overhead (->accelerated gameplay) and gain massive advantage oversomeone not using such automation tools - this is exactly the reason why people isbotted primarily, why they want to keep it in some way or another or seeking for workarounds around now changed policy. |
Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE
335
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:23:06 -
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Surprising, but good move CCP |
Verde Minator
Crack And Cookies For Santa Sphere-of-Influence
2
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:29:07 -
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Cervix Thumper wrote:Eryn Velasquez wrote:
If a single person with a single account needs 10 days to plex his account, he than has 20 days to mine/pve or whatever to gain ISK worth 2 additional plexes. the single person with 10 accounts makes ISK worth 20 additional plexes in the same time. As he doesn't need those ISK to plex his account, he can buy a super/titan 10 times faster than the single player.
In theory yes, that is possible if all the funds were channeled to the main character. In practice that may have happened but usually skill costs, ammo costs and general main costs prohibit that. As stated keeping 10 toons is 10 times more expensive than keeping 1 toon. When you're talking an end game ship (you can't go any further), it is actually easier to fast track it on a single character and plex that toon. We're not talking theory here.. there are no "what if s" or "he COULD do that" . CCP has made a decision and many (too many) have a misconception of what is really happening on our side. Our side is the exact same as yours... we just have more toons doing it. If it costs you xxx to replace a ship... it costs us the same. Skill books and time are the same only compounded. No biggie.
did u just try to break cheating down into stock broker terms? like you were trading this? telling us that it's 10x more expensive while ultimately being able to make at least 2 times what one of those characters makes.. did you seriously just give us a risk assessment to justify your cheating because you have no skills? i really.. yeah you are trolling.. straight up.. trolling..
for that other person stating im comparing eve as a whole to anything else, no... i used a metaphor, but okay, like i said, you dont understand basic english and apparently can't think creatively, no imagination.
don't need a tear bucket, thats all getting licked off their faces, now im huffing on the smoke coming out of their ears as they try to think up ways of being insulting.. the rage is burning bright within them...
thinking up ways justify and troll at the same time, i think they are overheating... time to apply mustard, it helps draw out the burn better, cold water only makes the burn hurt more.. but umm, BURN.. no more cheats for you... |
white male privilege
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
101
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:31:04 -
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Cervix Thumper wrote:white male privilege wrote:Mining with 10 hulks takes the exact same time to plex all of your accounts as it does for a regular guy mining with one character to plex his one account. white male privilege wrote: So after the multicaster has made his plex for the month he can then continue mining making ten times what a regular player can, or he star pvping, doing bombing runs by himself which is again an unfair multiplier of the veteran's time spent in eve. Ok you've just contradicted yourself and or simply can't add numbers. If it takes me 10 days in 1 hulk to earn a plex.. 10 accounts would take me... 10 days if all said and done were equal. While the "miltiboxer" (not multicaster.. save that for the fantasy games) will have another 20 days to do what ever, so would the solo player. ISboxer has very little to do with that. I can take all my toons and launch them in fleet and take out a belt. I might be able to take that belt 10 times faster than a solo player but my costs are 10 x as large. So NO multiboxing with ISboxer with the same ships in the same situation is NOT more profitable at least when it comes to mining. I can't speak for incursions or missioning because I haven't tried ISboxer in that situation. if the multiboxer continues mining after the plex requirement is met, he starts making ten times what someone in a solo miner will |
KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
4
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:33:38 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:You hate multiboxing because you lack the motor skills to do it? You can't afford it so it's not fair? because you lack motor skills to do it by yourself, you use 3rd party software for automation your sh*t - this is why we dont like it. KC Kamikaze wrote: You just assume it makes our 10 man fleet as good or better than yours. Unless you are complete scrubs our 10 man isboxer fleet is not better than your 10 man human fleet in terms of character management.... not even close.
you know why you use isbotter, dont you? Otherwise you wouldnt. KC Kamikaze wrote: I'm gonna want a t2 tearbucket for January 2nd.
me too
What does that 3rd party software automate for me? Does it check dscan for me? Does it auto-target for me? Does it automatically pilot my ships for me in ways that eve doesn't already do? You don't like it because it's not something you want to do and because you don't want to do it in your mind that means it's not to be done.
I've multiboxed for who knows how long and only started using isboxer in the last 8 months or so... Why I do it is for the flexibility. It's also quite liberating to be your own everything. Having characters to fill all the roles you need filled to get things done is nice, and I enjoy the game more because of it. I also like helping other people and all my alts make helping other people easier as well.
If you want to talk pvp lets decide who gets the tear bucket by the size of replicators killboard at the end of jan 1st. For PVE we can compare wallets. More work, more investment, more risk, more reward. |
Trogdor Losshelin
Everlasting Vendetta.
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:34:58 -
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white male privilege wrote: if the multiboxer continues mining after the plex requirement is met, he starts making ten times what someone in a solo miner will
Nope, bad math. Each of his toons will make the same or less (mainly due to targeting and other delays) |
Cervix Thumper
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:35:42 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:
accelerated gameplay lies in the higher efficiency of broadcasted input. While you would loose a lot of time cycling through your clients, locking targets at each single one of them manually, firing weapons manually, you name it, isbotter removes most of this human interaction overhead (->accelerated gameplay) and gain massive advantage oversomeone not using such automation tools - this is exactly the reason why people isbotted primarily, why they want to keep it in some way or another or seeking for workarounds around now changed policy.
actually not really. I have been running 5 toons for quite a while mining in fleet. cycling through all five of them is less than a few seconds. This changes the game slightly but not by much.
Example: 10 toons mining. ISboxer's broadcast feature is prohibitive because who whats 10 toon hitting the same rock at the same time?
10 toons in pvp vs a larger ship... yes you want all 10 to target the same ship at the same time. Thus CCP rules.
There is an advantage to ISboxer .. yes. That's why it was designed O_o. This advantage WAS open to all players. Those that didn't use it shouldn't cry. Those that did.. also should have seen this coming.
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Kaliba Mort
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:39:06 -
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Brutus Le'montac wrote:are logitech keyboards with macro keys now also prohibited ( if i use the 1 or more of the 18 macro keys)?
if so please send me the info i need to claim 150$ from ccp for a new keybord, or send me a gamer keyboard that does not have macro keys ccp, tyvm in advance.
You are already prohibited from using macros! If you can't constrain yourself from using macros in a game, perhaps your account should be banned sooner rather than later. And no, this has nothing to do with any keyboard.
This thread is actually quite unbelievable. Like a bunch of 12 years old are now playing Eve and their reading comprehension skills are no better than that of a 5 year old.
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FunGu Arsten
Fungu .Inc
38
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:39:16 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:You heard it here first, guys. Rebinding your keys is now a punishable offense.
i can still group my weapons right? We demand clarification :D |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2292
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:40:05 -
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white male privilege wrote:if the multiboxer continues mining after the plex requirement is met, he starts making ten times what someone in a solo miner will You're saying that as if ISBoxer is some kind of special privilege that's only available to the select few Chosen Ones or something. As much as I think that alt play should have never been a thing from the beginning, the matter of the fact is that it is, and always has been, available to everyone. It's a potential that everyone is able to unlock, but few choose to do so, much in the same way that making much more money via scamming and trading is possible when compared to mining and mission-running. By your logic, we should penalize the scammers and traders because they make the same money as miners or missioners in a fraction of the time, and can use the remainder of their time to make more.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Almethea
Trans Stellar Express
187
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:44:33 -
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even if agree with isboxer was out of control.
i will just keep in mind that the only answer from ccp to probelm are nerf and quickly change policy.
few weeks ago isboxer was again confirmed by falcon, a ****-ton of thread about plex and and isboxer and ccp changed their minds.
for me it just seem like "the last captain's maneuvers before the ship sink".
Keeping active account just to shitpost
there's so many thing to fix in eve.... and they fix forum ! GJ! but ok i like it !
CCP Fozzie : AFK cloaking, however, is an entirely social form of power
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2292
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:45:20 -
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Kaliba Mort wrote:You are already prohibited from using macros! If you can't constrain yourself from using macros in a game, perhaps your account should be banned sooner rather than later. And no, this has nothing to do with any keyboard. In that case, I'd like to report myself for immediate removal from the game. Apparently, I've been breaking the law for the past ten years by binding the F1-F8 keys to a pair of thumb buttons on my mouse in order to save myself from the pain of my carpal tunnel claw hand by reaching for the buttons on my keyboard.
It's been a good run, guys. See you in Star Citizen.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Revman Zim
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
262
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:46:38 -
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I applaud what CCP is doing. This change is part of a larger plan that started back when the decision was made to drop WOD and focus on EVE Online.
Instead of trying to do a half-assed job on several products, they are focusing their talents and attention on making ONE product the best it can be. (Sorry DUST). You may not agree with their changes but you cannot fault them for their attempt.
If you take a step back and look at what has been implemented and what is coming, CCP is trying to fix a lot of the imbalances in the game so it is more attractive to a larger pool of players. ISboxer programs, botting, RMT, are bad for any game. It takes away from the average player experience.
In addition, the force projection changes and upcoming SOV changes will hopefully make nullsec more diverse. All the other smaller changes are to make the game more balanced, immersive and prettier to look at. All good things.
I also believe the change in the way CCP rolls out updates was designed to accelerate this evolution.
Overall, i like where they are headed. It would be incredible if a couple years from now I log on and there are 50k players online which actually represents 50k people behind their keyboards mining, building, fighting, scamming, and most importantly, ENJOYING EVE.
tl; dr - This is a small step in a grand plan on making EVE Online attractive to a wider player base. |
Kaliba Mort
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:54:01 -
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Cervix Thumper wrote: ISboxer has very little to do with that. I can take all my toons and launch them in fleet and take out a belt. I might be able to take that belt 10 times faster than a solo player but my costs are 10 x as large.
So NO multiboxing with ISboxer with the same ships in the same situation is NOT more profitable at least when it comes to mining.
You pay for ISboxer and you don't know that advantages? Shame on you to think the rest are that naive.
1. you have 10 chars, so you mine for 10 plexes, takes you 10 days 2. you want 10 plexes for your PvP alt for next month - you mine for 10 days. 3. you want to replace a dread - mine for 4 days.
Now, if you are solo,
1. you want a PLEX, you mine for 10 days 2. you want 10 plexes for your PvP alt for next month. You mine for 100 days? oops 3. you want to replace a dread. mine for 40 days?
The PLEX cost is a fixed cost. But the profit above those fixed costs is multiplied by number of characters. It's the same for mining, as missioning, as ratting as Incursions. This is also why majority (all?) of PvE ISboxers pay with PLEXes for their alts.
There is a saying - don't **** on someone and say it's raining.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
841
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:04:39 -
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KC Kamikaze wrote: What does that 3rd party software automate for me?
it controls your isbotted clients by input broadcast, why you use it actually.
KC Kamikaze wrote: Does it auto-target for me?
yes, on your isbotted clients it targets things for you, you are targetting on your main client, its one of the reasons you use it.
KC Kamikaze wrote: Does it automatically pilot my ships for me
yes it pilots your ships for you, following commands if your main client.
KC Kamikaze wrote:in ways that eve doesn't already do? this is a stupid argument. An ratting bot does things in ways eve player would do them too. An aimbot in a shooter would do things human player would do. But better, quicker or more automated.
KC Kamikaze wrote: You don't like it because it's not something you want to do and because you don't want to do it in your mind that means it's not to be done.
no, I dont like it because you save work using automation tools to achieve things against EULA. I hate aimbots in shooters in same way I hate isbotter in eve, wouldnt you?
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Apo Lamperouge
35
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:05:21 -
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Kaliba Mort wrote:Cervix Thumper wrote: ISboxer has very little to do with that. I can take all my toons and launch them in fleet and take out a belt. I might be able to take that belt 10 times faster than a solo player but my costs are 10 x as large.
So NO multiboxing with ISboxer with the same ships in the same situation is NOT more profitable at least when it comes to mining.
You pay for ISboxer and you don't know that advantages? Shame on you to think the rest are that naive. 1. you have 10 chars, so you mine for 10 plexes, takes you 10 days 2. you want 10 plexes for your PvP alt for next month - you mine for 10 days. 3. you want to replace a dread - mine for 4 days. Now, if you are solo, 1. you want a PLEX, you mine for 10 days 2. you want 10 plexes for your PvP alt for next month. You mine for 100 days? oops 3. you want to replace a dread. mine for 40 days? The PLEX cost is a fixed cost. But the profit above those fixed costs is multiplied by number of characters. It's the same for mining, as missioning, as ratting as Incursions. This is also why majority (all?) of PvE ISboxers pay with PLEXes for their alts. There is a saying - don't **** on someone and say it's raining.
Here is where the argument gets really rage-y.
We had a threadnaught on skype about this too, and the isboxers say that they are paying for their accounts in plex, so losing them will take money out of ccp's hands. How so? Just because one person with 14 accounts rage quits because he cant click once for 14 toons now, CCP is losing out on all that MONEY. Sure, someone paid for that PLEX is his hard earned USD, or Euro or CDN or whatever goat trading they do in other parts of the world. But his money is already in CCP's hands. You as the ISBotter didn't pay one hairy butt nugget dime for that right to whine about money... Sure there will be market fluctuations, PLEX prices will fall (this time last year they were what? 650m?) but Empires will not fall. The sky will not fall.
Chicken Little ensues.
I pay for my accounts with game time purchased on my credit card, from money I make from having a real job, working 12-14 hours a day 5 days a week.
You ISbotters.... don't. I mean come on. Do the math, seriously, do it.
Sometimes a knife right through your heart is exactly what you need.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
841
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:08:52 -
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Cervix Thumper wrote: actually not really. I have been running 5 toons for quite a while mining in fleet. cycling through all five of them is less than a few seconds. This changes the game slightly but not by much.
not really? how is saving time not really saving time? In your case of 5 clients its maybe 5 seconds, where isbotter performs instantly on all simultanuously. How is this not really saving interaction overhead? Explain please.
Cervix Thumper wrote: Example: 10 toons mining. ISboxer's broadcast feature is prohibitive because who whats 10 toon hitting the same rock at the same time?
if you havent used isbotter input broadcast for mining, arent you posting in a wrong thread then?
Cervix Thumper wrote: 10 toons in pvp vs a larger ship... yes you want all 10 to target the same ship at the same time. Thus CCP rules.
sure, but not all in an automated way like supported by a tool discussed in this thread. Nope.
Cervix Thumper wrote: There is an advantage to ISboxer .. yes. That's why it was designed O_o. This advantage WAS open to all players. Those that didn't use it shouldn't cry. Those that did.. also should have seen this coming.
so, what kind of a ******** argument is this? Gun is designed to kill, should I go on street shooting people, pointing out to its designed purpose? Should I use open to all aimbots in FPS games? I would get banned, rightfully. Exactly as CCP doesnt want you to use said tools or methods of automation. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2236
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:09:25 -
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Kaliba Mort wrote:Brutus Le'montac wrote:are logitech keyboards with macro keys now also prohibited ( if i use the 1 or more of the 18 macro keys)?
if so please send me the info i need to claim 150$ from ccp for a new keybord, or send me a gamer keyboard that does not have macro keys ccp, tyvm in advance. You are already prohibited from using macros! If you can't constrain yourself from using macros in a game, perhaps your account should be banned sooner rather than later. And no, this has nothing to do with any keyboard. This thread is actually quite unbelievable. Like a bunch of 12 years old are now playing Eve and their reading comprehension skills are no better than that of a 5 year old.
Macros are not banned. Speaking of 5 year olds, way to make your point.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
841
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:09:57 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: It's been a good run, guys. See you in Star Citizen.
bye.. and lawl,.... no, probably not.
Sentamon wrote:Macros are not banned. Speaking of 5 year olds, way to make your point. macros violate EULA, learn to read. |
Cervix Thumper
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:14:27 -
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Kaliba Mort wrote:Cervix Thumper wrote: ISboxer has very little to do with that. I can take all my toons and launch them in fleet and take out a belt. I might be able to take that belt 10 times faster than a solo player but my costs are 10 x as large.
So NO multiboxing with ISboxer with the same ships in the same situation is NOT more profitable at least when it comes to mining.
You pay for ISboxer and you don't know that advantages? Shame on you to think the rest are that naive. 1. you have 10 chars, so you mine for 10 plexes, takes you 10 days 2. you want 10 plexes for your PvP alt for next month - you mine for 10 days. 3. you want to replace a dread - mine for 4 days. Now, if you are solo, 1. you want a PLEX, you mine for 10 days 2. you want 10 plexes for your PvP alt for next month. You mine for 100 days? oops 3. you want to replace a dread. mine for 40 days? The PLEX cost is a fixed cost. But the profit above those fixed costs is multiplied by number of characters. It's the same for mining, as missioning, as ratting as Incursions. This is also why majority (all?) of PvE ISboxers pay with PLEXes for their alts. There is a saying - don't **** on someone and say it's raining.
Not exactly true but closely accurate.
If you are solo and have to replace a dread yes it is going to take you a long time a VERY long time. Having 10 toons do the job for you will speed up that process but I have to pay 10 plex not 1.
If you need 10 plex for a pvp alt then you are not solo are you? you have 2 accts and it would take you 5 days (per month).. thus the mining grind to break even monthly (dedicating all those resources to 1 acct). I've done that.. it is not pretty.
In the even that you're not wardec'd.. you're not ganked, everything is peachy creamy in your eve life.. then in THEORY yes. It is possible.
I'm speaking from first hand experience with the program. Are you? If not.. than pls get off the hate bandwagon.
To think we make more ISK than others is not untrue but we also have to spend more. It is a simple fact of the game. |
KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
4
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:18:17 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote: What does that 3rd party software automate for me?
it controls your isbotted clients by input broadcast, why you use it actually. KC Kamikaze wrote: Does it auto-target for me?
yes, on your isbotted clients it targets things for you, you are targetting on your main client, its one of the reasons you use it. KC Kamikaze wrote: Does it automatically pilot my ships for me
yes it pilots your ships for you, following commands if your main client. KC Kamikaze wrote:in ways that eve doesn't already do? this is a stupid argument. An ratting bot does things in ways eve player would do them too. An aimbot in a shooter would do things human player would do. But better, quicker or more automated. no, I dont like it because you save work using automation tools to achieve things against EULA. I hate aimbots in shooters in same way I hate isbotter in eve, wouldnt you? stripped irrelevant rest of the post
LMAO see you have no clue how it works for me.
Broadcasts are no more so just take them out of the mix. This means moving forward i won't be:
1. broadcasting dock/jump/enter wormhole 2. broadcasting launch drones
Oh my!
No it doesn't pilot my ships for me ... squad warp and fleet regroup do that for me both of which are not isboxer features.
So my alts target faster than my main? No actually. Right now I have a fleet with HMLs and a drone fleet. My drones I assign to my main (right clicking each to assist because broadcasts don't work for this anyway). And my HML fleet i've always ctrl clicked them all because in most cases i split dps due to the size of my fleet.
Comparing aimbots to isboxer is another ******** comparison. I'm sorry I like to use multiple accounts to achieve better results. Nothing in the EULA against that. And while some of your blanket statements may apply to others and they may heavily rely on broadcasts I never have so the impact to me is minimal and it's a change I can live with. The cheers in this thread are entertaining because I would think the majority of good isboxers are probably thinking along the same lines as me. You use what works within the confines of the game and is in line with the EULA. They changed the rules and I'll adapt. I'm just pointing out that a lot of what you guys who don't use isboxers think you know is incorrect.
I'm trying to save the GM's from thousands of pointless petitions from the masses of isboxer haters by spreading a little knowledge on its use.
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
267
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:18:41 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote: Point 2: We do have a reason to complain as removing broadcasting was a very useful part on moving a fleet through multiple systems, or switching ships, or fixing skill queues or any other number of things. Please try to think before posting.
in other words you complain because you cant uload all the work from multiboxing to some 3rd party tool anymore, and in same time you think you should rightfully be able to do that? EULA explicitely forbidding this. Nolak Ataru wrote: Point 3: Once again, lots of VideoFX means that I can F1 on all my clients within a single server tick. Is CCP willing to make the distinction there?
I guess so. You could as good, keep input broadcast because, who cares? Its your account being banned in the end... I would be the one petitioning you for 3rd party aids. Nolak Ataru wrote: Point 4: This is a harder hit at bombers because of the coordination required to use a fleet of bombers, whether it be torps or bombs.
yes and this is why its good. No easy bombing anymore.
You have demonstrated your clear ignorance on what I was talking about.
If CCP were to introduce a text-based minigame that you must play in order to dock in a station, people would complain. Sure, it adds to the "realism" and whatnot, but in the end it isn't necessary. The automated docking system makes life simple for you. Same thing with broadcasting keys and and mouse strokes. It's nice that we were able to use them, but removing them just adds a little minigame that we must play.
Mass reporting of people who are not breaking any rules is a easy way to get banned yourself. Keep that in mind.
I can't say much about bombing as I've only participated in 2 bombing runs with Bombers Bar. But from what I learned about those massive bombing runs that removed an entire fleet was that they were AFK on a station/gate or stuck in a drag bubble 50km off a gate, not that they were somehow unable to react because of the bomber pilot himself. While I don't bomb myself, I would have understood CCP's reasons against multibox bombing. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2236
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:19:04 -
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Robert Caldera wrote: macros violate EULA, learn to read.
Macros do no violate the EULA. Macros that loop and automate your gameplay so you don't have to be at the keyboard do.
Now that we've cleared that up find something else to spread misinformation about.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
267
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:21:44 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Sentamon wrote:Macros are not banned. Speaking of 5 year olds, way to make your point. macros violate EULA, learn to read.
Assuming "macro key" is something like rebinding the G keys on a Logitech keyboard, then:
Macros with if-then statements or macros that rely on receiving data from the EVE client are banned.
Chaining F1-F8 with a single macro key is not, since there are no 'branches' or if-then statements. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
841
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:28:31 -
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KC Kamikaze wrote:LMAO see you have no clue how it works for me. Broadcasts are no more so just take them out of the mix. This means moving forward i won't be: 1. broadcasting dock/jump/enter wormhole 2. broadcasting launch drones Oh my! No it doesn't pilot my ships for me ... squad warp and fleet regroup do that for me both of which are not isboxer features. if you arent here to complain about isbotters core features you're wrong here, this thread is exactly about that.
KC Kamikaze wrote: Comparing aimbots to isboxer is another ******** comparison.
no, because its exactly what it does. It does things faster than you would be doing without it, like aimbot targets faster than you ever would be.
KC Kamikaze wrote: I'm sorry I like to use multiple accounts to achieve better results. Nothing in the EULA against that.
once again, this thread is about isbotters input broadcast. If you dont use any of those features, whatsoever, you are wasting your energy in a wrong thread.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1137
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:32:24 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Kaliba Mort wrote:You are already prohibited from using macros! If you can't constrain yourself from using macros in a game, perhaps your account should be banned sooner rather than later. And no, this has nothing to do with any keyboard. In that case, I'd like to report myself for immediate removal from the game. Apparently, I've been breaking the law for the past ten years by binding the F1-F8 keys to a pair of thumb buttons on my mouse in order to save myself from the pain of my carpal tunnel claw hand by reaching for the buttons on my keyboard. It's been a good run, guys. See you in Star Citizen.
Can I have your stuff? |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
841
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:36:21 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote: If CCP were to introduce a text-based minigame that you must play in order to dock in a station, people would complain. Sure, it adds to the "realism" and whatnot, but in the end it isn't necessary. The automated docking system makes life simple for you. Same thing with broadcasting keys and and mouse strokes. It's nice that we were able to use them, but removing them just adds a little minigame that we must play.
how is this related to topic, idgi. If you dont like how the game is played, using tools violating EULA is a safe way to get you removed from the game.
Nolak Ataru wrote: Mass reporting of people who are not breaking any rules is a easy way to get banned yourself. Keep that in mind.
noone is talking about mass petitioning, just in cases where use of isbot or similar tool is obvious.
Nolak Ataru wrote:I can't say much about bombing as I've only participated in 2 bombing runs with Bombers Bar. But from what I learned about those massive bombing runs that removed an entire fleet was that they were AFK on a station/gate or stuck in a drag bubble 50km off a gate, not that they were somehow unable to react because of the bomber pilot himself. While I don't bomb myself, I would have understood CCP's reasons against multibox bombing. problem with bombers they can wipe out entire fleets. Being able to achieve something like that, which would otherwise require coordination of a decent group of people, by a single person, is way too OP and because of this I welcome this policy change effectively removing those isbotting bomber guys. |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
267
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:38:24 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:LMAO see you have no clue how it works for me. Broadcasts are no more so just take them out of the mix. This means moving forward i won't be: 1. broadcasting dock/jump/enter wormhole 2. broadcasting launch drones Oh my! No it doesn't pilot my ships for me ... squad warp and fleet regroup do that for me both of which are not isboxer features. if you arent here to complain about isbotters core features you're wrong here, this thread is exactly about that. KC Kamikaze wrote: Comparing aimbots to isboxer is another ******** comparison.
no, because its exactly what it does. It does things faster than you would be doing without it, like aimbot targets faster than you ever would be. KC Kamikaze wrote: I'm sorry I like to use multiple accounts to achieve better results. Nothing in the EULA against that.
once again, this thread is about isbotters input broadcast. If you dont use any of those features, whatsoever, you are wasting your energy in a wrong thread.
Every time you use "ISBotter" you further prove your ignorance as to what ISBoxer is, and the difference between an ISBoxer and a bot. It's two different things that both use a similar mechanism. To put it in layman's terms, you're calling a Hummer an Italian luxury car simply because they both have wheels and an engine.
Aimbots use the program's code as a weapon, automatically centering your crosshairs on the designated part of your enemy, most popular being the head, when the aimbot program calculates that you have line-of-sight on the target. ISBoxer does nothing of the sort. |
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