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Pace Harper
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:39:10 -
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Hey all. I recently finished the business introduction and I really enjoyed it and think I might want to make a career out of it. I'm in Lonetrek right now and want to move to The Forge and make my home there. Now I know Jita is a trade hub and I want to set up there but should I do so in that system or one close by (preferably in high-sec). Anyone have any good systems they want to share? |
Azda Ja
Empyreal Shadow Vanguard
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:57:28 -
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Some other large trade hubs are Amarr, Dodixie, Rens, and Hek. For some reason we have two in Minmatar space. Which you should go to however I can't really help you with. If trading is your thing tough, you can check for goods that are sold for less in one hub, and sell them in a hub where the prices are higher to make a profit.
"I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.11.26 02:13:34 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Some other large trade hubs are Amarr, Dodixie, Rens, and Hek. For some reason we have two in Minmatar space. Which you should go to however I can't really help you with. There's a mission hub between Rens and Hek, it's 3 or 4 jumps from either.
Quote:If trading is your thing tough, you can check for goods that are sold for less in one hub, and sell them in a hub where the prices are higher to make a profit. I used to buy low from mission runners in Lustrevik, which is the mission hub above, and ship to Rens or Hek to sell. I was buying mainly certain modules for under their mineral value, even with the reprocessing changes, reprocessing them and then selling the minerals.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3743
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Posted - 2014.11.26 03:36:44 -
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If you intend to produce and/or trade, as your post implies, It's very useful to live in the same region as a trade hub, or one jump away from such a system.
Are there any regions you feel you understand the economy of well? For instance, the Placid region has its economy dominated by three things - Factional Warfare primarily, convenient access to both highsec and nullsec secondarily, and the presence of EVE Uni's lowsec campus as a tertiary factor.
There are market consequences of that that create opportunities for someone willing to produce or import goods that appeal to EU LSC folks and export goods generated by FW.
If you had significant knowledge of that region and how its economy plays out, it might make sense to live in Placid but in a system with convenient access to a major hub - which would result in you setting up in Orvolle or Stacmon.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Azda Ja
Empyreal Shadow Vanguard
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Posted - 2014.11.26 03:37:29 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Azda Ja wrote:Some other large trade hubs are Amarr, Dodixie, Rens, and Hek. For some reason we have two in Minmatar space. Which you should go to however I can't really help you with. There's a mission hub between Rens and Hek, it's 3 or 4 jumps from either. Quote:If trading is your thing tough, you can check for goods that are sold for less in one hub, and sell them in a hub where the prices are higher to make a profit. I used to buy stuff low from mission runners in Lustrevik, which is the mission hub above, and ship to Rens or Hek to sell. I was also buying certain modules for under their mineral value, even with the reprocessing changes, reprocessing them and then selling the minerals as a sideline.
Ah that explains it. Pretty sure I tried ninja salvaging in Lustrevik before moving into low sec full time.
EDIT: Here is a useful too in case you don't know about it yet:
https://eve-central.com/
You can check market data from all the different hubs to better plan your trades.
"I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish
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Brink Albosa
Screaming Hayabusa Neo-Bushido Movement
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Posted - 2014.11.26 03:41:51 -
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Pace Harper wrote:Hey all. I recently finished the business introduction and I really enjoyed it and think I might want to make a career out of it. I'm in Lonetrek right now and want to move to The Forge and make my home there. Now I know Jita is a trade hub and I want to set up there but should I do so in that system or one close by (preferably in high-sec). Anyone have any good systems they want to share?
Yes set up in Jita, buy stuff you think they might need in nearby missioning hubs. Look up where all the level 4 and 5 agents are and stock those stations they are located in.
It'll take some research but I imagine there would be some profits to be made simply by having it available at the same stations the mission runners are at. Things like ammo, drones, nanite repair paste; I dunno just throwing some ideas out. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.26 04:58:06 -
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You didn't specify what aspect of industry you are interested in: trading, manufacturing, mining, PI -- which would affect your decision.
Here is a nice tool from a new Eve developer for finding a home: Carebearium. Under 'filter by' you can specify how many jumps within Jita you want to be. |
Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.11.26 07:42:42 -
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Choosing a home system/region comes down to what you want to do with your time in the game. If you're looking to do PVP, look for systems in Lowsec that are obnoxiously active. You can also join a Nullsec alliance and they'll provide you a "staging" system in which they take fleets out of.
Doing PVE, it also depends on what you want to do. Some systems/regions provide better spawn rates for mining than others, as well as some are safer to mine in than others etc.
It ultimately comes down to the big question "what do you want to do?"
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Deck Cadelanne
Exigent Circumstances CAStabouts
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:17:11 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Azda Ja wrote:Some other large trade hubs are Amarr, Dodixie, Rens, and Hek. For some reason we have two in Minmatar space. Which you should go to however I can't really help you with. There's a mission hub between Rens and Hek, it's 3 or 4 jumps from either. Quote:If trading is your thing tough, you can check for goods that are sold for less in one hub, and sell them in a hub where the prices are higher to make a profit. I used to buy stuff low from mission runners in Lustrevik, which is the mission hub above, and ship to Rens or Hek to sell. I was also buying certain modules for under their mineral value, even with the reprocessing changes, reprocessing them and then selling the minerals as a sideline.
Just want to note this particular angle is highly under-rated and under-appreciated. This is an excellent approach, one I used for a while when I was in my first few months in EVE. You can balance out your trading activities with missions if you like just to add variety! Jita is not the center of the universe
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3762
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:56:26 -
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Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Choosing a home system/region comes down to what you want to do with your time in the game. If you're looking to do PVP, look for systems in Lowsec that are obnoxiously active. You can also join a Nullsec alliance and they'll provide you a "staging" system in which they take fleets out of.
Doing PVE, it also depends on what you want to do. Some systems/regions provide better spawn rates for mining than others, as well as some are safer to mine in than others etc.
It ultimately comes down to the big question "what do you want to do?"
PVP can be found in all security bands - highsec, lowsec, non-sov nullsec, sovereign nullsec and wormhole space.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Pace Harper
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.27 02:45:17 -
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Well for everyone, I want to set up in The Forge...what does the economy consist of there? Also I'm not sure exactly what business career I want to specialize in yet, I was just thinking big picture. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.11.27 02:46:24 -
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D+¬j+á vu "all over again"...
Picking a home base How do you choose a home base? Moving out of the noob station I want a central base.... Home base: Yes or No? Looking for a place to set up base for a bit Moving stuff around
I did a forum search on home base and picked some of the more obvious links from the first 5 pages.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3779
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Posted - 2014.11.27 02:53:02 -
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The Forge's local economy revolves around Jita, the busiest trade hub in the game (around thirty trillion ISK changes hands there every day, that's a quadrillion a month).
It's mostly highsec, with the busiest highsec mission hub in the game (someone else can give the name, I don't remember it). Lots of production of goods for local use, lots of export to sovereign nullsec, and the highest value items in the game are usually exchanged in or near Jita 4-4.
Speculation is a big deal in Jita. Look up the item "Photon Microprocessor" on the market, it's used to make tech 2 Gallente ships. I estimate that there are more than twenty million units of that item alone sitting in the Jita 4-4 station in the hangars of market speculators.
Of course, the level of traffic in the Forge region attracts opportunists like myself, that would love to defy CONCORD to blow up your freighter, steal everything in it, and sell those goods on your behalf. Perhaps a career in arms dealing might suit you, if dealing with scumbags like me sits well with you.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Chal0ner
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.11.27 11:06:18 -
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Pace Harper wrote:Hey all. I recently finished the business introduction and I really enjoyed it and think I might want to make a career out of it. I'm in Lonetrek right now and want to move to The Forge and make my home there. Now I know Jita is a trade hub and I want to set up there but should I do so in that system or one close by (preferably in high-sec). Anyone have any good systems they want to share?
As I am not going to use it any more- mainly because when in empire I operate out of another system - and because no one has left any concrete suggestions I will give you the system I used when I was fairly new. It's 6-7 jumps from Jita and wonderously free of high sec war deccers (I saw one (1) hostile pilot during quite a few war decs around my home base. If you check it out on dotlan you will fairly soon understand why. It's high sec with industrial facilities and so on. Good market for your products as well for equally obvious reasons.
Artisine - I'll leave it to you to figure out the down side =) |
Steppa Musana
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.28 14:09:26 -
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Don't pick a base near a trade hub or a trade route unless you plan to run missions for ISK.
Mining, exploration and industry you will have better opportunities and availabitilies further from the main populated areas.
Missions is the exception because it's spawned by each user and not competitive. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.28 17:36:47 -
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If you really want to be in the business end of Eve I don't think it's a good Idea to have a "home". You kind of have to get used to the idea of keeping your eye on various things and moving with market indicators.
As other people have stated the fact that you completely left out what part of business in Eve you want to get into it's really hard to help. What I can tell you is that Eve is much more like real life markets than any other MMO that I am familiar with. If this were WoW I could tell you about the various ways that there are to make money in game.
In Eve I've noticed that when I jump into a market I can see my own impact on that market. For example if you ramp up to make rifters and sell them in Jita then you can watch rifter prices drop as you adding to the supply will naturally reduce price if demand remains unchanged. On the flip side of that I was once part of a group effort to set up a micro trade hub in low sec, one of those "if you build it they will come" kind of things. The point is that in Eve we have a player driven market and player driven economy it's not like other games where the bulk of all transactions are between players and NPCs. The result of that is if anyone showed you exactly how they make isk and you were to duplicate their efforts not only would you eliminate their profits but you'd be unable to make any yourself.
Eve business is not easy. It takes knowledge of all aspects of the game. That being said there are things that newbies can do to make isk and there have been some recent upheaval within manufacturing which has vets having to relearn things as if they were newbs themselves so in that respect we are all kind of on the same playing field.
One old standard of game that remains unchanged is that each character can have a maximum of only so many production lines. Ammo is a consumable item that most players use on a very regular basis and is also very cheap to buy so many players with big money in manufacturing won't bother wasting production lines on ammo regardless of the margin as the absolute isk potential per time frame is just not there for them. Judgements like "worth it" or "not worth it" are very subjective however and what isn't enough isk for one player to wipe his ass with is like winning the lottery for another.
You'll have to get used to moving around and get familiar with markets or create them if you feel that ambitious. You don't have to know everything about the game or everything about every market but you will have to pick something and watch it. I've done things before like if I'm running an epic arc mission and wind up needing something that is not available close by when I run to a market hub to get one I'll pick several and stock a local station which can work great if you don't need to make your isk back any time soon.
This is probably starting to sound repetitive but at the end of the day the best place for you to start off is nowhere that anyone else tells you to go. Even if they are being honest with you if the market that they are involved in had room for more volume they would most likely be filling it. |
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