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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.11.26 15:44:25 -
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So, I decided to partake in a little project.
As part of my job I hear a lot about how EVE is too difficult as a rookie, and how new players can't compete with veterans because of the skillpoint gap.
This is a common misconception among people who've never played EVE before and who just listen to the stereotype. I'd like to make an attempt to break that stereotype and show both new players and potential new players alike that starting EVE today is a good as time as ever.
With that in mind, after 12 years I'm putting all my veteran characters on ice until further notice, and will no longer be playing them.
These are characters who in some instances have >200 million skillpoints and multiple billions of ISK in their wallets. I've set their skill queues for a few years, (thanks for that functionality, guys! xD) and that's that. They're now no longer my concern.
So, it's back to the start. I've created a new character. He has 55,824 skillpoints and 5,000 ISK in his wallet.
That's all I get to start out with, same as any other rookie. I figure that all the knowledge of EVE that I have as a player is available out there in the form of guides, wikis and player resources, so I'm pretty much on even footing.
Hell, maybe I'll even learn a thing or two along the way.
Starting this evening at 19:00 UTC, my twitch channel will go live and I'll start from scratch, to see how far I can go in EVE.
This new character will start training when the stream goes live for the first time and I will begin my journey in EVE from the beginning.
No hiding character names, no secrets, the community will know who I am and what I do, and will be able to interact with me in any way they see fit, whether that be to assist, or hinder.
I'll be regularly streaming the shenanigans that I get up to, regularly taking part in whatever events I can when I have time, and seeing how much fun I can have as a rookie again.
It's quite an exciting prospect, and if you'd like to join me on this journey, then you can tune in to my Twitch channel.
I'll also be announcing on twitter every time I go live with a stream, and I'll be streaming pretty much all the gameplay I experience.
Come join me for some fun!
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
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Bam Stroker
Van Diemen's Demise
Pandemic Legion
252
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Posted - 2014.11.26 15:52:29 -
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I think this is a cool idea! Will you only be streaming in your own free time? I wouldn't mind watching a few sessions live, so any chance you'll sneak in a couple of hours here and there early during your work day (which aligns nicely with AUTZ evenings)?
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.11.26 15:53:37 -
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Bam Stroker wrote:I think this is a cool idea! Will you only be streaming in your own free time? I wouldn't mind watching a few sessions live, so any chance you'll sneak in a couple of hours here and there early during your work day (which aligns nicely with AUTZ evenings)?
Sure, I'll be streaming at all hours, depending on when I'm playing.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
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Random McNally
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2014.11.26 15:58:17 -
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Hey Falcon, I'll definitely be tuning in if I'm home.
I did mention on twitter though that "starting fresh" to see the new player view may be difficult since you still have 12 years of game experience. It's easy to see beginnings when you know what awaits.
Have you considered sponsoring a new player? Someone you know that doesn't play? Having a fresh set of eyes will be more telling than a jaded vet starting over.
Regardless, I'll be looking forward to seeing the project roll. Good luck to you, sir. o7
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Rhavas
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
324
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Posted - 2014.11.26 15:58:33 -
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This is a great idea, Falcon.
Author of Interstellar Privateer
Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary
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Globscho Thorson
Herrscher der Zeit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:00:18 -
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Well... come to Ge- and get a free Atron from me oO
You said like every other rookie :) |
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
806
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:01:46 -
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Good luck!
This will be interesting to see.
I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how I--THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY
Youtube: /asayanami
Twitter: @asayanami
The Anthology
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inta Vakaria
Orbital Offence
9
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:02:30 -
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I wonder how many people will be waiting in catalysts to 'greet you' when you leave the rookie systems. |
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CCP Manifest
C C P
C C P Alliance
1132
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:06:38 -
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I for one support this and can't wait to see the hilarity Falcon gets up to. He is probably the most entertaining person I regularly have meetings with thanks to his mix of curmudgeon and comedian. And the dude LOVES EVE. Srsly.
I've been trying out my own streaming at www.twitch.tv/ccp_manifest and started out a brand new character as well to run through the new player experience, offer advice and hang out.
Streaming is fun, why did nobody tell me this :)?
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_CCP Manifest | Public Relations and Social Media | @ccp_manifest_
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Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
344
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:07:13 -
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Please do keep us abreast on what you experience as a new player. I'd like to see what additional ideas you/the rest of the dev team come up with to screw over veteran and other long-term invested players. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
2599
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:11:46 -
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Good luck dude. I promise I won't spend every waking moment hunting you down
Also, that stuff that your iced characters have... ... ... can I keep it warm for you? 
CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
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CCP Arkanon
C C P
47
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:17:11 -
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To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob.
CCP Arkanon - Internal Affairs
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Samsara Toldya
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
154
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:20:35 -
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Mh...
As an employee of CCP you are not allowed to join a player corporation (at least that's what I heard) - will there be a change to this policy (for your project) as the trailer showed us the importance of player groups?
If not - this project will be interesting in showing how to live the life of a lone wolf.
For sure you'll be threatened not like other "real new players" - I'm unsure wheter you should go incognito or not.
But maybe that would suit CCP Rise or CCP Fozzie better.
Let's see what kind of impact you'll have on market speculations...
"CCP Falcon bought a huge stock of EMP S - there must be an upcoming devblog where they buff EMP S, we all need to buy now!" |
BadAssMcKill
ElitistOps
910
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:22:56 -
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Just don't join BNI |
JEFFRAIDER
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
351
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:24:13 -
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Hey boss train up for a CLAW and I'll vouch you into PL
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Kire Suah
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:25:21 -
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Internal Affairs ruining everyones fun |
Lasse R Farnsworth
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:26:28 -
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Only problem is that you are not as confused as an new player .. the knowlege in your head is more worth then anything ;)
But maybe coming with some other dudes from RvB to .. don't know yet ... But the biggest thing as an newbie is to wrap your brain around eve ;) my girl quit because it was to much info at the first start |
JEFFRAIDER
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
355
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:28:18 -
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CCP Arkanon wrote:To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob.
I've got a good idea, maybe send him a PRIVATE MESSAGE or also potentially WALK A FEW FEET DOWN THE HALL AND TALK TO HIM IN PERSON instead of attempting to neuter him in public after he starts doing something a lot of EVE vets have been clamoring for for ages?
Having Devs playing this game in the open with full disclosure is not a bad thing for the game, it's a very good thing and should be fully supported by CCP. |
Jaysen Larrisen
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:30:14 -
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CCP Arkanon wrote:To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob.
I think Bad Cop just showed up.
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Bobmon
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
92
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:30:15 -
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He can count on my vouch tooo!!
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David Magnus
305
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:30:28 -
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This should be lots of fun, good luck!
P.S. I'll vouch you into PL faster than Jeff.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
359
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:31:25 -
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pretty douchbaggy post by Arkanon |
Jaysen Larrisen
21
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:32:34 -
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For the record...I'm a huge fan of this.
I'll make sure CCP Falcon's alter ego gets invites to Agony NPSI roams...just like we would do with any rookie player looking to learn PVP. |
Havocide
Reikoku
Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:38:56 -
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CCP Arkanon wrote:To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob.
haha, wow, look at this guy
how to act un-professional 101 |
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
1428
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:42:29 -
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It's going to be an interesting thing to watch, although nothing like a new player experience as your knowledge makes you about as far from a new player as it's possible to get, and the main part of the NPE is how do you get that knowledge in the first place. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
360
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:44:28 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:It's going to be an interesting thing to watch, although nothing like a new player experience as your knowledge makes you about as far from a new player as it's possible to get, and the main part of the NPE is how do you get that knowledge in the first place.
I think it's a really great idea, maybe new players can use the way he does it as a guide. |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
No Holes Barred
4815
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:45:01 -
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Ignoring the dumb post from IA, if this new char isn't named "Because of Flacon" or some other variant I will be sad (I am assuming Because of Falcon is already taken)
CSM 7 Secretary
CSM 6 Alternate Delegate
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
5684
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:45:11 -
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Havocide wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob. haha, wow, look at this guy how to act un-professional 101
He is 100% correct.
The Paradox
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Ammzi
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1879
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:46:38 -
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JEFFRAIDER wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob. I've got a good idea, maybe send him a PRIVATE MESSAGE or also potentially WALK A FEW FEET DOWN THE HALL AND TALK TO HIM IN PERSON instead of attempting to neuter him in public after he starts doing something a lot of EVE vets have been clamoring for for ages? Having Devs playing this game in the open with full disclosure is not a bad thing for the game, it's a very good thing and should be fully supported by CCP.
Dat NEUTERING in the face. Arkanon must be new to forums )) |
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
1306
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:48:03 -
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#LetThemPlay
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
No Holes Barred
4815
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:48:35 -
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Samsara Toldya wrote:Mh...
As an employee of CCP you are not allowed to join a player corporation (at least that's what I heard) - will there be a change to this policy (for your project) as the trailer showed us the importance of player groups?
If not - this project will be interesting in showing how to live the life of a lone wolf.
For sure you'll be threatened not like other "real new players" - I'm unsure wheter you should go incognito or not.
But maybe that would suit CCP Rise or CCP Fozzie better.
Let's see what kind of impact you'll have on market speculations...
"CCP Falcon bought a huge stock of EMP S - there must be an upcoming devblog where they buff EMP S, we all need to buy now!"
Also, this is not true. CCP employees are not allowed to lead large nullsec corps, but they are free to join any corp they want. They aren't allowed to scam or suicide gank as well.
CSM 7 Secretary
CSM 6 Alternate Delegate
@two_step_eve on Twitter
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CCP Manifest
C C P
C C P Alliance
1133
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:49:30 -
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Pretty sure one of the pillars of EVE over the past 11 years is public neutering.
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_CCP Manifest | Public Relations and Social Media | @ccp_manifest_
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Havocide
Reikoku
Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:49:57 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Havocide wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob. haha, wow, look at this guy how to act un-professional 101 He is 100% correct.
For sure, but there are ways of saying these things, Im very aware of "why" hes IA and why its of interest to him, you could say my corp got him his job :p.
Just doesnt need to **** on a colleague in public, could have said "IA are aware of this and will be monitoring it closely", bam, everyone is happy. |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
253
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:52:02 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:With that in mind, after 12 years I'm putting all my veteran characters on ice until further notice, and will no longer be playing them.
Verone is an evil Veto. pirate anyway, rotting in Goinard ^-^
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CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
2600
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:54:20 -
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CCP Manifest wrote:Pretty sure one of the pillars of EVE over the past 11 years is public neutering.
Those 10 year swords gotta do something I guess!
CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
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Slevin-Kelevra
Origin.
Black Legion.
17
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:59:15 -
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Bobmon wrote:He can count on my vouch tooo!!
There are better Legions to join.
BoB 2.0 here we come!!! |
Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
295
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Posted - 2014.11.26 17:02:11 -
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Falcon, I know it'd be a bit of extra effort but you should potentially look at transcoding clips and sections of this project onto a YouTube channel (maybe not the official CCP ran ones) so that new players interested can see a semi-Let's Play from a dev. Just an idea.
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Cap'n Schmitty
Critical Mass Inc.
9
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Posted - 2014.11.26 17:03:54 -
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10/10 will watch and probably will not gank. Go get em!
@CaptainCrutches
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
938
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Posted - 2014.11.26 17:10:20 -
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This is going to be good :-)
Yaay!!!!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
360
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Posted - 2014.11.26 17:13:53 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Havocide wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob. haha, wow, look at this guy how to act un-professional 101 He is 100% correct.
Way to miss the point completely. |
Capqu
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
905
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Posted - 2014.11.26 17:18:29 -
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ask ccp rise about streaming and his interaction with griffins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
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Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
82
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Posted - 2014.11.26 17:28:37 -
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Have fun with that, maybe you should change the client language to Japanese for an hour or two to get the real noob feeling.
I think this is a good idea and it will be fun to watch. EVEBet should be taking up numbers and putting down odds on what is going to happen.
Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why.
Hunter S. Thompson
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Fras Siabi
Hoover Inc.
Pandemic Legion
51
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Posted - 2014.11.26 17:45:53 -
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CCP Arkanon wrote:To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob.
http://www.riotgames.com/careers
Not all who wander are lost, but most of them are complete idiots.
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Kern Hotha
70
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Posted - 2014.11.26 18:06:44 -
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CCP Arkanon wrote:To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob.
This is a clumsy comment to direct at an employee who is doing something positive and helpful for new players.
We distinguish the excellent man from the common man by saying that the former is the one who makes great demands upon himself, and the latter who makes no demands on himself.
Jose Ortega y Gasset (1883 - 1955)
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7104
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Posted - 2014.11.26 18:10:58 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:
That's all I get to start out with, same as any other rookie. I figure that all the knowledge of EVE that I have as a player is available out there in the form of guides, wikis and player resources, so I'm pretty much on even footing.
bet you couldn't type that with a straight face
+1 great idea though, happy to see this.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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prolix travail
Blue Mountain Trails
19
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Posted - 2014.11.26 18:18:08 -
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Great idea, man! will be tuning in. Don't forget to save your past broadcasts, I don't think twitch have that option selected by default. |
Aureus Salvadore
Alts Gone Bad
0
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Posted - 2014.11.26 18:30:33 -
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Will the ban on dev participation in null be lifted in the name of this experiment? |
Prince Kobol
2371
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Posted - 2014.11.26 18:31:17 -
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Kern Hotha wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob. This is a clumsy comment to direct at an employee who is doing something positive and helpful for new players.
Still doesn't mean he is wrong...
I think its great what Falcon is doing but in no way can it help him relate to how a new player feels simply because he is probably one of the most knowledgeable people about Eve.
One of the major aspects of why Eve is so damn good is its complexity, you can't replicate this just by rolling a new character.
Again, great to see a Dev actually playing Eve on a regular basis and interacting with the community but in regards to resembling a new players experience.. not even close.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
1398
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Posted - 2014.11.26 18:49:43 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Kern Hotha wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob. This is a clumsy comment to direct at an employee who is doing something positive and helpful for new players. Still doesn't mean he is wrong... I think its great what Falcon is doing but in no way can it help him relate to how a new player feels simply because he is probably one of the most knowledgeable people about Eve. One of the major aspects of why Eve is so damn good is its complexity, you can't replicate this just by rolling a new character. Again, great to see a Dev actually playing Eve on a regular basis and interacting with the community but in regards to resembling a new players experience.. not even close.
Whilst I am sure you are correct, there is still a lot to be learned, if he refuses donations, as the first few million is the hardest. I remember just how tough it was to, afford a fitted Destroyer, only to lose three in a row. With experience, chump change, but to a newbie many days or longer of work.
There are skills and experiences that cannot be forgotten and so long as Falcon keeps that in mind, it should be a good experience, for him, and later for all new players.
Bravo CCP falcon
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Prince Kobol
2371
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Posted - 2014.11.26 18:54:26 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Kern Hotha wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob. This is a clumsy comment to direct at an employee who is doing something positive and helpful for new players. Still doesn't mean he is wrong... I think its great what Falcon is doing but in no way can it help him relate to how a new player feels simply because he is probably one of the most knowledgeable people about Eve. One of the major aspects of why Eve is so damn good is its complexity, you can't replicate this just by rolling a new character. Again, great to see a Dev actually playing Eve on a regular basis and interacting with the community but in regards to resembling a new players experience.. not even close. Whilst I am sure you are correct, there is still a lot to be learned, if he refuses donations, as the first few million is the hardest. I remember just how tough it was to, afford a fitted Destroyer, only to lose three in a row. With experience, chump change, but to a newbie many days or longer of work. There are skills and experiences that cannot be forgotten and so long as Falcon keeps that in mind, it should be a good experience, for him, and later for all new players. Bravo CCP falcon
Again, I applaud what Falcon is doing, but when you have that experience you know what to do and what not to do. Also as a new player you don't have everybody gunning for you just because you are a dev. |
Star Bellatrix
Ubiquitous Hurt
0
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Posted - 2014.11.26 18:59:15 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Kern Hotha wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob. This is a clumsy comment to direct at an employee who is doing something positive and helpful for new players. Still doesn't mean he is wrong... I think its great what Falcon is doing but in no way can it help him relate to how a new player feels simply because he is probably one of the most knowledgeable people about Eve. One of the major aspects of why Eve is so damn good is its complexity, you can't replicate this just by rolling a new character. Again, great to see a Dev actually playing Eve on a regular basis and interacting with the community but in regards to resembling a new players experience.. not even close. Whilst I am sure you are correct, there is still a lot to be learned, if he refuses donations, as the first few million is the hardest. I remember just how tough it was to, afford a fitted Destroyer, only to lose three in a row. With experience, chump change, but to a newbie many days or longer of work. There are skills and experiences that cannot be forgotten and so long as Falcon keeps that in mind, it should be a good experience, for him, and later for all new players. Bravo CCP falcon Again, I applaud what Falcon is doing, but when you have that experience you know what to do and what not to do. Also as a new player you don't have everybody gunning for you just because you are a dev.
Even veterans can have problems doing the NPE.
I still remember watching Elise Randolph doing the same experiment a while back and even he was having some troubles with the tutorials.
But yeah, still won't even get close to the learning curve that new players have to deal with when they are starting. |
Jaqueline Geoliere
Pangalactic Frontline Supply Agency
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:00:09 -
[52] - Quote
I'd suggest you buy a mining permit once you made your 1st 10 mln.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
1585
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:19:14 -
[53] - Quote
The IA post brings up an interesting principle. I wonder whether the balance between direct community interaction and safety is correct at the moment.
I would like to see more direct and public dev interaction. I would like to see devs flying around much more often trying normal things. I've never seen a CCP character in lowsec. I think the current rules are too restrictive and limit interaction too much.
We have come a long way from T20. A conversation with the community about the appropriateness of certain actions by CCP characters would be welcome and might even be surprising.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
2023
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:22:09 -
[54] - Quote
CCP Arkanon wrote:To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob.
Oh snap
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
CCP Goliath wrote:
Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
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Johnny Twelvebore
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
51
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:47:23 -
[55] - Quote
You should do this anonymously and start up a newb training corp - turn them into killers. I have done this and it is really hard work but very satisfying when (in one case) they end up better than you.
Bloody hell, another eve blog! http://johnnytwelvebore.wordpress.com
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Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
483
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:13:36 -
[56] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:
That's all I get to start out with, same as any other rookie. I figure that all the knowledge of EVE that I have as a player is available out there in the form of guides, wikis and player resources, so I'm pretty much on even footing.
What?
I have started fresh accounts and characters before for the purposes of spying. Even without transfers of isk it's not particularly hard for a veteran to become established and make money because I, as a player, know exactly what I'm doing when it comes to skills, ships, fittings, and effective ways to make isk.
When I was a newbie in 2006 I lost a Badger full of Antibiotics to a TunDraGon gatecamp in Aunenen. I didn't know what the hell I was doing. I didn't know any tricks for being safer or any better ways to make money.
If you are a complete newbie you'll most likely follow the career funnel straight into mining, and biomass your character in about a month because you're bored to tears. Maybe you'll train up defender missiles because they sound cool? Maybe you'll try to fit your Merlin with lasers? Maybe you'll go belt ratting in lowsec while not knowing what local is. Maybe you'll fit your ship by buying modules and seeing if they'll fit onto your ship instead of downloading EFT to work out what's the best fit. Maybe if you are looking for a ship fitting you'll end up on Battleclinic. Maybe you'll try to navigate through the game using the rats nest that is the ingame map instead of just going on Dotlan.
So... I really don't think that this experiment is going to provide much useful insight if CCP Falcon considers the knowledge of a 10+ year veteran to be 'on equal footing' to a brand new player with a link to the Eve Uni wiki. |
El Space Mariachi
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
181
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:21:18 -
[57] - Quote
I fear you lack the completely fresh perspective of a new player who knows figuratively nothing of the ins and outs of mechanics or ways to get ahead in the game at all and makes terrible life choices such as mining in an apocalypse or grinding out missions in hisec like I did back when I started. All the same it's a neat idea, I'm sure this will at the very least teach new players watching your stream a few things about the game and hopefully will allow you to scrutinise a lot of the new player experience and share your findings with other devs. Eve's player retention has been historically pretty low and I'll support anything to bring more new blood into the world of mining to replace all the isboxing accounts that are being unsubbed. Devs playing their own game can never be a bad thing in my eyes.
if you want to improve the new player experience you could always fix rat AI so the rats don't rush to defend the guy who's been shooting at their friends for hours/days/years from the bright-eyed t1 thrasher pilot just because he activates his spooky warp scrambler :^)
gay gamers for jesus
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Ryu Chaos
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
11
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:28:11 -
[58] - Quote
Bobmon wrote:He can count on my vouch tooo!!
bobmon your char looks like he is wearing a toupe..
also gl falcon!
@RyuChaos_
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
25668
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:41:08 -
[59] - Quote
Some of us have started new characters every six months or sooner, so welcome to the club I guess. It's a start.
The best thing to do while streaming is be a girl. Do that and you're golden.
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Twitter |-ámk.III | Imgur
| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined |
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Kaaeliaa
The Vendunari
End of Life
37802
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:57:42 -
[60] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:Some of us have started new characters every six months or sooner, so welcome to the club I guess. It's a start.
The best thing to do while streaming is be a girl. Do that and you're golden.
Also, don't forget rules 1 and 2.
Rule 1: be attractive.
Rule 2: don't be unattractive.
You, too, can be space-famous in these 2 easy steps!
LAGL Cosplayer. Princess of Sibyyl's Pillowfort. This is my jam!
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Ned Taggart
EVE University
Ivy League
49
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Posted - 2014.11.26 21:24:00 -
[61] - Quote
I think a lot of the problem with the newbie experience is that there is a lack of knowledge about how to play the game. An experienced player starting over would be easy. |
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CCP Falcon
9765
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Posted - 2014.11.26 21:26:48 -
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Alright, so after a first bumpy outing, and after being suicide ganked twice... it looks like twitch chat have decided that they want me to start working towards getting hold of a fully fitted Atron.
That'll be the goal, then 
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
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Max Kolonko
WATAHA.
Unseen Wolves
492
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Posted - 2014.11.26 22:08:01 -
[63] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Alright, so after a first bumpy outing, and after being suicide ganked twice... it looks like twitch chat have decided that they want me to start working towards getting hold of a fully fitted Atron. That'll be the goal, then
I haven't saw the first day yet. I want to add some proposition - You should not except any donations from players as that would make things way to easy
Read and support:
Don't mess with OUR WH's
What is Your stance on WH stuff?
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Shelby Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
Anoikis Ronin
4001
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Posted - 2014.11.26 22:49:55 -
[64] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:So, it's back to the start. I've created a new character. He has 55,824 skillpoints and 5,000 ISK in his wallet.
Wow Mista Falcon, is he/she like, single?? 
Good luck n' have fun!!
Wormhole Intern | Baby Dusette | Doesn't even
CCP Eterne: "Naked avatars for PLEX." =ƒÆï
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Astroyka
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
153
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Posted - 2014.11.26 23:04:08 -
[65] - Quote
Havocide wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob. haha, wow, look at this guy how to act un-professional 101
This is EvE, glad the comment wasn't in a private message or via the cooler.
Arkanon is right. HTFU
Astroyka - A Mirkur Draug'Tyr pilot, fighting against slavery in New Eden
www.astroyka.net
GÖÑ proud EvE fansites member GÖÑ
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Phantra
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
108
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Posted - 2014.11.26 23:24:24 -
[66] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Alright, so after a first bumpy outing, and after being suicide ganked twice... it looks like twitch chat have decided that they want me to start working towards getting hold of a fully fitted Atron. That'll be the goal, then
If I start spamming in there that you're neglecting the CCP Newcastle eve events will you deal with that too pls 
Also; This will be good, consider me subscribed. |
Arenthor Doran
Black Scorpions Inc
0
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Posted - 2014.11.26 23:42:43 -
[67] - Quote
I think getting CCP newcastle to do something would be a great idea, I think they're scared of me standing outside the office now :P
Phantra wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Alright, so after a first bumpy outing, and after being suicide ganked twice... it looks like twitch chat have decided that they want me to start working towards getting hold of a fully fitted Atron. That'll be the goal, then If I start spamming in there that you're neglecting the CCP Newcastle eve events will you deal with that too pls Also; This will be good, consider me subscribed.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
3764
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Posted - 2014.11.27 00:04:11 -
[68] - Quote
Falcon, I highly encourage you to see if you can get an exception to existing CCP rules to be able to put that character into a player corp.
I'd love to see you join one of the corps I am at war with, ideally one of the skittish ones, teach them to fight back, and get some big kills with your frigate or destroyer.
Also, how are you feeling about what I consider to be the only drawback to the tiericide initiative, the increased cost of cruiser hulls relative to new player income? Can you log how many gameplay hours it takes you to reach the point that you can afford to undock in a cruiser? (Remember, never undock anything you can't afford to lose).
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
25673
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Posted - 2014.11.27 05:55:28 -
[69] - Quote
Fix the NPE for men please. femme NPE is OP
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Twitter |-ámk.III | Imgur
| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined |
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Cynosural Field Theory.
1424
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Posted - 2014.11.27 07:43:58 -
[70] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Alright, so after a first bumpy outing, and after being suicide ganked twice... it looks like twitch chat have decided that they want me to start working towards getting hold of a fully fitted Atron. That'll be the goal, then
Inb4 you go -10.0 again (seriously you have to kill a lot of pods today to achieve that so it is not even easy to get there)
TunDraGon is recruiting!
"Also, your boobs [:o] " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
"When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Lasse R Farnsworth
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
8
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Posted - 2014.11.27 07:49:08 -
[71] - Quote
And in spirit of your atron training I contracted Mangala 10 t1 noob atrons to hand out to newbros during Saturdays ganked .. Hope 10 will be enough .... |
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CCP Falcon
9784
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Posted - 2014.11.27 15:44:00 -
[72] - Quote
Lasse R Farnsworth wrote:And in spirit of your atron training I contracted Mangala 10 t1 noob atrons to hand out to newbros during Saturdays ganked .. Hope 10 will be enough ....
EDIT: OK mang is not there this weekend 10 will go to our guest fc
And Falcon since you are hanging out in rookie chat another 10 will go to your new char with all the skillbooks needed .. With the only thing: Don't use them yourself ;) I don't want to spoil your experience .. but get them out to somebody you cross in rookie chat ..
I think this fit will be good enough with like 0 skills ;)
[Fleet Tackle]
Damage Control I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Co-Processor I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Stasis Webifier I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Limited Light Electron Blaster I,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Electron Blaster I,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Electron Blaster I,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Cargohold=Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S,1
EDIT: 1 full orca of them (18) going to you 2 of them are going to the ganked fc in jita for all cases .. logistics with frigs suck ;) Need an bowhead
I don't accept handouts, but I'll work toward this fit as a starting place
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
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Lasse R Farnsworth
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
8
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Posted - 2014.11.27 16:08:44 -
[73] - Quote
;) Now I have to sit in the rookie system and give them out myself ;) gah ... 14 jumps ;) |
Jayem See
CTRL-Q
Iron Oxide.
2685
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Posted - 2014.11.28 00:53:27 -
[74] - Quote
Lol - sorry Falcon but once you have popped your cherry you can't do it again. Especially as a dev who announces his game.
I did a new char a while back and within 5 days was a billionaire. I had the mechanics in my head. Just like you. In my first go it took me a week to make a million.
You can't be a new player with 10 years experience behind you.
Why not offer to find a new player and cinematise his/her experience and make one of those awesome player movies?!
Edit - didn't mean to be a downer - soz about that =(
Aaaaaaand relax.
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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
270
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Posted - 2014.12.04 13:23:51 -
[75] - Quote
Hey I can fly a Claw too!
...oh wait I can't, nevermind  |
Zenoidan
Dirt 'n' Glitter
22
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Posted - 2014.12.04 19:34:18 -
[76] - Quote
You cant replicate a new player experience once you know the ins and outs of eve.
I know that if I wanted to start over and make a lot of isk, I could do it. But that doesnt mean anything to newbros because they DONT HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE. It took me years to learn stuff about eve, years. Arguably the most important things I have learned in eve have not come from In game tutorials but by Pilots who make videos explaining things and put them on Youtube.
The community is amazing for this, however through the years Eve has changed A LOT. look up something about eve, for example: The Rifter. Google it, and you will find out dated info from when it was King of space, and guides on how to fly it. As a newbro you now have to filter through 2009 ect and then google more to make sure if the info is not Outdated.
Thats a pain in the ass for a new player. Eve is the only game I know where you can google a feature and have 5 guides explaining it, but yet all those guides will be outdated and useless. Thats frustrating.
CCP cant clean up google or the internet, but they can make it super easy for Newbro's to find information. CCP needs a youtube page dedicated with Video guides made by players and staff. The "live action movies" are great, but they dont help new players learn the game. Its time to make a change and be productive on the new player front.
1. Gather player made Videos that are not outdated and showcase current mechanics like Probing, combat site running, exploring, Faction Warfare, Mission running, ect. Have a link in game to these features, so they can be easily accessed without any forum searching.
2. Add simulations in game for the tutorials. Eve tutorials are horrid. They are confusing, full of paragraphs that no one wants to read, and pretty tedious. Everyone I have gotten into Eve always have a rougher time with the tutorial than actually playing the game. Granted, you need to get the basics down, but you also need to get people into the game.
-Have tutorials that show case a FW novice plex.
- Have a tutorial show casing the meta of PvP fights (Kite ships, Scram kiting, and Brawling, 1 tutorial for each)
-Have a tutorial that showcases how to "slingshot"
- Have a tutorial that showcases how to "spiral" into an opponent.
- Have a tutorial that showcases how a smaller ship can kill a bigger ship. (This will help curve the idea that one needs to fly the biggest ship right away to succeed in pvp)
- Have a tutorial showcases a hero tackle scenario.
Your tutorials do not direct people into "PvP." Its the players on the forums that do that. If a newbro followed your tutorials currently he would end up doing a mission for security/distribution or mining in high sec, and then they log off and never log on again because you just led them to the most boring and unrewarding part of Eve, and that is your fault as developers for doing so.
The players time and time again, bail you out of the tutorial mess by posting guides, making videos and above all, making sure every "newbro" who posts is given tons of information that you as developers neglect.
Starting a new char when you have 8+ years in eve and streaming it is a gimic, and nothing more. All you are showcasing is how many "big dicks" in eve can gank a developer while he streams. |
prolix travail
Blue Mountain Trails
24
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Posted - 2014.12.14 08:19:26 -
[77] - Quote
Ive missed all but your first broadcast, any chance you can get past broadcasts to show on your channel? it'd be great to catch up on your progress. |
Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
9421
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Posted - 2014.12.16 02:41:24 -
[78] - Quote
Has your innocent, unspoiled new capsuleer ventured into Anoikis yet, Falcon?
I keep forgetting who your new toon is but everytime I see a T1 scan frig on D I ask in local if it's you. Got a Banana and glass of warm water on standby yo.
=ƒÉÆ I am a banana.
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
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Eric Shang
Living Asylum
174
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Posted - 2014.12.16 12:49:01 -
[79] - Quote
I am a bit confused.
I thought the process of this was to learn the new player experience?
No new player gets given ships for free and helped with fittings unless they meet someone nice in game or join a corporation.
By accepting anything given from someone on here will be against what a new players experience is like and you will have learned nothing about the new player experience.
Plus the fact that you have stated the new toon name is also flawed as most people now know you are a CCP Employee and will get loads of friend requests and people wanting to talk to you.
Again this is not something a new player gets at all.
You should have done this with no one knowing the name so you get nothing for free or anybody helping you in game other than people you meet and people you want to talk to.
You would then have been able to join a player corp and see how easy or hard it is to do this successfully.
Great Idea but not done correctly
I fly my ships from a Asylum
My Pirate Journey:
http://ericshangthepirate.wordpress.com/
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Giggedyy
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.12.17 09:43:28 -
[80] - Quote
Eric Shang wrote:
Again this is not something a new player gets at all.
Great Idea but not done correctly
Agreed with this statement |
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