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DutchGunner
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
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Posted - 2014.11.26 18:51:25 -
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Greetings,
A message has been received in the AJ mailing list. This message was send by Anoikis Entity.
It was translated by Taraki Orani and Jon Hellguard and in line of the content of the message I publish it here
The message has the header of: We have returned.
The content of the message is:
We are what your capsuleer community knows as Sleepers (not entirely correct name, but we will go with it for now as it is already deeply ingrained in your consciousness).
We are wachting, we are waiting, and we are returning now.
Watch your step, capsuleer! We are deeply disappointed with what you are doing to our children.
We were patient and passive for too long - that changes now.
You dont know, what you have done. Now it is our turn.
This puppet-unit will timeout in 14 day-units, but our collective is getting ready.
This is your sole warning.
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
216
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:12:58 -
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I'm assuming attempts have been made to verify the origin and veracity of this particular message?
It seems somewhat atypical of Sleeper behavior.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:44:03 -
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Then leave them alone! Why do you need these wormholes? Even CONCORD guy was telling they are bad. Did you hear it? They are giving us only 14 days! After that.... I don't know what happens, but definitely something not good!
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Anslo
Scope Works
22630
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:52:14 -
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Not good, for them.
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Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:54:01 -
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Tsk-tsk-tsk, ta-ta-ta. Are thay wagging their finger at us? I was expecting something more from a... higher form of life. If it's not fake, that is. Which I believe it is. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
488
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:57:11 -
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Funny how the aforementioned Anoikis Entity seems to be a recent Academy graduate.
I also hereby state I am in no way responsible for dilluting any Drop we're feeding Federal kids with. Let's blame it on imagination running wild instead, hm?
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim
Angels are never far...
Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
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Joanne Breau
Sleeper Slumber Party Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:57:27 -
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Sounds like a sorry childish attempt at sounding ominous. The author's phrasing sounds just like a teenager trying to write a villainous speech for a holoreel fanfiction. There are some spelling mistakes too, but I wouldn't know if these are failures in the translation process or mistake by the original author before encrypting the message. |
Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
20611
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:59:45 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:Then leave them alone! Why do you need these wormholes? Even CONCORD guy was telling they are bad. Did you hear it? They are giving us only 14 days! After that.... I don't know what happens, but definitely something not good! Anoikis is a wonderful environment and many capsuleers, including my family, have called it home for many years. Sleepers are generally the least of one's worries.
Sleeper drones have never held much interest for me, however. We generally leave them alone so long as they reciprocate. Sadly sometimes it's inevitable that they end up caught in the crossfire between capsuleers though.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1447
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Posted - 2014.11.26 21:34:13 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:Then leave them alone! Why do you need these wormholes? Even CONCORD guy was telling they are bad. Did you hear it? They are giving us only 14 days! After that.... I don't know what happens, but definitely something not good! Anoikis is a wonderful environment and many capsuleers, including my family, have called it home for many years. Sleepers are generally the least of one's worries. Sleeper drones have never held much interest for me, however. We generally leave them alone so long as they reciprocate. Sadly sometimes it's inevitable that they end up caught in the crossfire between capsuleers though. Dusette-haani, I still believe that it is fake, bogus. Someone's joke. There is nothing to be afraid. On other hand, there might be something to be afraid of. There are signs of them coming into our space. And probably not for communicating to us and not to warn us... |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
5021
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Posted - 2014.11.26 21:38:24 -
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I'm not scared of any entity that can't spell "watching" properly.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
20643
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Posted - 2014.11.26 21:47:03 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:Then leave them alone! Why do you need these wormholes? Even CONCORD guy was telling they are bad. Did you hear it? They are giving us only 14 days! After that.... I don't know what happens, but definitely something not good! Anoikis is a wonderful environment and many capsuleers, including my family, have called it home for many years. Sleepers are generally the least of one's worries. Sleeper drones have never held much interest for me, however. We generally leave them alone so long as they reciprocate. Sadly sometimes it's inevitable that they end up caught in the crossfire between capsuleers though. Dusette-haani, I still believe that it is fake, bogus. Someone's joke. There is nothing to be afraid. On other hand, there might be something to be afraid of. There are signs of them coming into our space. And probably not for communicating to us and not to warn us... The only thing in Anoikis that scares me is Jack Miton.
Thankfully though he's on my team and, last time I checked, one hundred percent human.
A potential sleeper incursion into Empire amuses me more than anything. As I grow older my disdain for many parts of Empire's society only seems to grow, so to see people there being harassed or intimidated by these drones gives me a lil chuckle. Really, they're not so bad.
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DutchGunner
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
104
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Posted - 2014.11.26 21:59:52 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:I'm not scared of any entity that can't spell "watching" properly.
Apologies. That was a glitch from my side and it has been corrected. |
Aiko Ueshiba
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2014.11.26 22:06:26 -
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Diana Kim wrote: Dusette-haani, I still believe that it is fake, bogus. Someone's joke. There is nothing to be afraid. On other hand, there might be something to be afraid of. There are signs of them coming into our space. And probably not for communicating to us and not to warn us...
Agreed. Can we get some kind of verification please?
"... I assume that any work which engages with the future must necessarily consist of fragments of the past; any vision we have of the future is necessarily built of our experience to the moment in which we conceive of the vision." W. Gibson.
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Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2014.11.26 23:15:40 -
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Anslo wrote:Not good, for them. Bring it?
BEING IT!!!!
trying to type all this on a broken phone at work sucks.
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Taraki Orani
BERSA Shipping Trading and Mining Co.
2
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Posted - 2014.11.27 08:41:46 -
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Well whether fake or not, we should not take this softly, nor we should underestimate the Sleepers.
Like Pr. Gehen said previously, Those who underestimated the unknown paid the price heavily during the Battle of Vak'Atioth.
We should just take lessons from the arrogance of Amarr. |
Deceiver's Echo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2014.11.27 10:36:05 -
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Assuming this is a true communication from the Sleepers:
Observations: Stanzas 1-3 point out the writer's attempt to establish identity. Setting itself apart from the audience. "You" and "your" being used.
Stanzas 4-5 show a distinct break in reasoning, and suggests a motive for the writing. This individual is feeling threatened. Continued use of "You" and "your". Note the singularity in this, as opposed to "Our" in reference to self.
Stanzas 6-7 suggest dire consequences without naming what these consequences are from. Reference in Stanza 3 to "our children", without specifics. Contrast this with Stanza 1 attempting to clarify the writer's identity.
Overall this points to the writer seeing itself as above the reader.
It is not directed at the Capsuleer community as a whole. It is clearly directed at an individual. If this is indeed the Sleepers, then there is likely very few potential individuals that this is targeted towards. Fewer who would be specific to the Arek'jaalan mailing list. Only one that has recently made specific action in relation to the Sleepers:
Hilen Tukoss.
Further analysis: "Children" reference could suggest Jove involvement. Capsuleers are referred to as "children" in many Jove reference materiasl. Why would Sleepers reference children being mistreated? Simple. This is not a warning to not attack the Sleepers. It is a warning to stop mistreating their "children".
Possible alternative identities of these "children": Rogue Drones. Technological similarities to Sleepers. Sansha's Nation. The Jove. Note: Hilen Tukoss has recently made requests for Jove remains. |
Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
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Posted - 2014.11.27 12:11:10 -
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Deceiver's Echo wrote:Assuming this is a true communication from the Sleepers:
Observations: Stanzas 1-3 point out the writer's attempt to establish identity. Setting itself apart from the audience. "You" and "your" being used.
Stanzas 4-5 show a distinct break in reasoning, and suggests a motive for the writing. This individual is feeling threatened. Continued use of "You" and "your". Note the singularity in this, as opposed to "Our" in reference to self.
Stanzas 6-7 suggest dire consequences without naming what these consequences are from. Reference in Stanza 3 to "our children", without specifics. Contrast this with Stanza 1 attempting to clarify the writer's identity.
Overall this points to the writer seeing itself as above the reader.
It is not directed at the Capsuleer community as a whole. It is clearly directed at an individual. If this is indeed the Sleepers, then there is likely very few potential individuals that this is targeted towards. Fewer who would be specific to the Arek'jaalan mailing list. Only one that has recently made specific action in relation to the Sleepers:
Hilen Tukoss.
Further analysis: "Children" reference could suggest Jove involvement. Capsuleers are referred to as "children" in many Jove reference materiasl. Why would Sleepers reference children being mistreated? Simple. This is not a warning to not attack the Sleepers. It is a warning to stop mistreating their "children".
Possible alternative identities of these "children": Rogue Drones. Technological similarities to Sleepers. Sansha's Nation. The Jove. Note: Hilen Tukoss has recently made requests for Jove remains. Ah, a proper linguist. What a pleasure to read. One thing though - there is an opinion that Mr. Tukoss didn't ask for the body parts and was impersonated by someone. |
Deceiver's Echo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2014.11.27 12:19:44 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Ah, a proper linguist. What a pleasure to read. One thing though - there is an opinion that Mr. Tukoss didn't ask for the body parts and was impersonated by someone. This is why I emphasize the name with italics. All recent communications from Hilen Tukoss are suspect. The identity of the individual(s) in question is of no importance; the fact that they are currently using the identity Hilen Tukoss is. As we have no other name of reference it is as good as any, non? |
Taraki Orani
BERSA Shipping Trading and Mining Co.
2
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Posted - 2014.11.27 12:53:03 -
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Deceiver's Echo wrote:Jaret Victorian wrote:Ah, a proper linguist. What a pleasure to read. One thing though - there is an opinion that Mr. Tukoss didn't ask for the body parts and was impersonated by someone. This is why I emphasize the name with italics. All recent communications from Hilen Tukoss are suspect. The identity of the individual(s) in question is of no importance; the fact that they are currently using the identity Hilen Tukoss is. As we have no other name of reference it is as good as any, non?
Awesome read and very interesting point of wiev.
can I ask you smething else though. As a linguistic, can you see and bond or relation between this and Seven Events of the Apocalypse |
Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
210
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Posted - 2014.11.27 12:58:52 -
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I have an impression that whoever wrote this fake meant the Sleeper drones by "our children". Seriously, a timed Galnet access with a fake student profile attached? Kids those days, lol. (Of course, of course, I know that I did exactly the same thing once, but I was drunk *and* stoned at that moment and even then I didn't impersonate a Sleeper, I just sort of tried to talk to them. Sort of. Never mind.)
But the fact that it's a fake is irrelevant. They are already here, in K-Space, and they *are* awakening.
And I am going to tell them again the same thing I once told to the Sleeper voices in my head, lol.
...Look at us, wise and ancient alien spirits. We are blind, irrational, unthinking locust swarm. We will dismantle and salvage you. From the pieces of your shattered dream world we will build more toys for each other to break. Whatever you are going to do - bring it on, dying will be fun. Please do your best to exterminate us.
Screw you.
Hehe. |
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Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
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Posted - 2014.11.27 18:28:19 -
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Deceiver's Echo wrote: This is why I emphasize the name with italics. All recent communications from Hilen Tukoss are suspect. The identity of the individual(s) in question is of no importance; the fact that they are currently using the identity Hilen Tukoss is. As we have no other name of reference it is as good as any, non?
Yes and no, Actual Hilen Tukoss might still be alive. Somewhere. |
Deceiver's Echo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2014.11.27 22:45:58 -
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Jade Blackwind wrote:I have an impression that whoever wrote this fake meant the Sleeper drones by "our children". Which is ridiculous, isn't it?
My personal opinion is that it is a fake. However, an analysis performed with the initial conceit of "this is real" often helps illuminate discrepancies.
Why would the Sleepers speak of their drones as "children"? It makes no sense. I love my ship, but I wouldn't call it a "child" even if it had an A.I.
Another possibility is one that is more disconcerting, that the "Sleepers" we encounter in W-space are not in fact the "Sleepers" mentioned in the message. They could be a civilization using Sleeper drone technology. Jove affected by the Jovian Disease is a likely alternative. Which begs the question; if the Sleeper drones are this advanced, what could an older civilization with the same technology base be capable of?
This however would add a layer of complexity. It is highly improbable. It requires making further assumptions that are unwarranted. There is enough evidence to suggest this is a hoax and simple posturing. It is apparently an attempt to replicate the "Awakened Infomorph" incident from a few years ago.
Honestly I'd rather just drop analysis of this until it can be verified. I've sent a message to the individual known as "Anoikis Entity" in the hopes of verifying it's identity.
I do not expect a response. The question I asked was rather straightforward. I know enough to know the answer, and if it cannot answer this simple observation it is obviously not what it claims to be. |
Aden Ordinii
Mars-Alpha Works
3
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Posted - 2014.11.28 06:12:09 -
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The Empires did some major damage to the realm of the sleepers, in the wake of the Tech 3 Destroyers dev. And Sleepers and rouge drones ARE conected to a degree. And why is Hedion Uni quiet about this all? The Amarr won the race for the Tech 3`s but to what cost? Did they awaken something? Dose this ,something, know who did it? Did the Amarrians doo more damage?
I think i spin up Battleship production, just in case. |
Taraki Orani
BERSA Shipping Trading and Mining Co.
5
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Posted - 2014.11.28 06:56:51 -
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To be precise, we are getitng high amount of advanced recon cruiser orders from varios Minmatar and gallentean entities since the events occured.
There is a strong arms build-up the regions I can say that. But Amarr side, it is an unknown. They ate always in bed with some unknown powers in Jove/sleepers side. All their actions previously led to a severe isogen-5 cataclysms so, I wont be suprised if all these events caused by the Amarr arrogance at all... |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
307
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Posted - 2014.11.28 15:36:31 -
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Taraki Orani wrote: There is a strong arms build-up the regions I can say that. But Amarr side, it is an unknown. They ate always in bed with some unknown powers in Jove/sleepers side. All their actions previously led to a severe isogen-5 cataclysms so, I wont be suprised if all these events caused by the Amarr arrogance at all...
What? if not for our fine Empress' altruism, you still would be harvesting sleepers by the thousands to put your dirty paws on those DUST implants. You're only to thank us if the sleepers don't kill us all and accept that it was a mistake, when they finally awake. |
Deceiver's Echo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.11.28 16:23:11 -
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I received an encoded response from the individual Anoikis Entity. Decoded text follows.
>>>CONNECTION REESTABILISHED >>>Accessing Language Pack >>>::ERROR File Corrupted >>>PROCESSING ENQUIRY We are old ones. We are one of three, who were two against one. Long time ago we were one with fifth major race of this cluster, Jove. We are "the lost ones". We are masters of virtual reality, those you call Sleepers. Further information is not avaiable here. >>>CONNECTION CLOSED Response included unverified information. At this point, barring a demonstration of the link between Anoikis Entity and Sleeper drones, the communications--however accurate--should be seen as a hoax.
So a question; call the bluff or ignore completely? |
Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
34
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Posted - 2014.11.28 16:58:01 -
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Deceiver's Echo wrote:I received an encoded response from the individual Anoikis Entity. Decoded text follows. >>>CONNECTION REESTABILISHED >>>Accessing Language Pack >>>::ERROR File Corrupted >>>PROCESSING ENQUIRY We are old ones. We are one of three, who were two against one. Long time ago we were one with fifth major race of this cluster, Jove. We are "the lost ones". We are masters of virtual reality, those you call Sleepers. Further information is not avaiable here. >>>CONNECTION CLOSED Response included unverified information. At this point, barring a demonstration of the link between Anoikis Entity and Sleeper drones, the communications--however accurate--should be seen as a hoax. So a question; call the bluff or ignore completely? This kid is at it again. If he or she were from SAK, i'd try my best to have him expelled. I suggest you check your spam filters already. |
DutchGunner
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
104
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Posted - 2014.11.28 18:18:51 -
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Deceiver's Echo wrote:I received an encoded response from the individual Anoikis Entity. Decoded text follows. >>>CONNECTION REESTABILISHED >>>Accessing Language Pack >>>::ERROR File Corrupted >>>PROCESSING ENQUIRY We are old ones. We are one of three, who were two against one. Long time ago we were one with fifth major race of this cluster, Jove. We are "the lost ones". We are masters of virtual reality, those you call Sleepers. Further information is not avaiable here. >>>CONNECTION CLOSED Response included unverified information. At this point, barring a demonstration of the link between Anoikis Entity and Sleeper drones, the communications--however accurate--should be seen as a hoax. So a question; call the bluff or ignore completely?
Thank you for sharing this. It is my opinion that we should take this very seriously and not consider this to be a hoax. We have a sudden communication with a warning and at the same time we have a solar anomaly that leaves scientists baffled. Something is going on and we should investigate. I prefer preparing and getting as ready as possible over being caught with the pants down. This communications actually provides insights and leads that we should check. We know very little about the Jove and their history. Judging from this message it seems that there was a fall-out between 3 parties within the Jove. This raises a lot of questions:
- Which 3 parties are being referenced? Bloodlines? political parties? philosophical groups or minds? Military sides? - To which party does this entity belong to? the one that stood alone or the other side? - More information is available but not here? Where is here? |
Frenjo Borkstar
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.28 18:30:52 -
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I'm constantly remaining vigilant at site one, you may be able to detect me sitting under cloak if you look hard enough, I will continue constant scans of the system.
Has anybody even attempted to contact the Jove? If they even exist anymore... There must be a reason that the Nation's forces didn't use wormholes... And why an area of space where Jove don't go? It's all very curious... Sleeper messages?
Wait... The three parties? Takmahl, Talocan, and Yan Jung? Or... Are the Jove involved?
Could... Could they have overwhelmed the Jove? If so... We are all in danger. |
Deceiver's Echo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.11.28 19:30:45 -
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Frenjo Borkstar wrote:Wait... The three parties? Takmahl, Talocan, and Yan Jung? Or... Are the Jove involved? No. Sleepers, Talocan and Yan Jung. Evidence follows:
Quote:We are old ones. We are one of three, who were two against one. Using available information this would refer to Talocan and Sleepers. Evidence that supports this is Sleeper ruins alongside Talocan ruins. Third society would have to be the Yan Jung based on their presence in the cluster long before the Takmahl.
Quote:- Which 3 parties are being referenced? Bloodlines? political parties? philosophical groups or minds? Military sides? - To which party does this entity belong to? the one that stood alone or the other side? - More information is available but not here? Where is here? First answered above. Second is answered within the text. The inference is that this is from the Sleepers, or at least what we call the Sleepers. Third question is not answerable given current information.
Further; you are ignoring the vital information provided.
>>"Long time ago we were one with fifth major race of this cluster, Jove. We are "the lost ones"."
Scientists have already theorized that the Sleepers are ancestors of the Jove. If this is from the Sleepers, it is confirmation of that theory.
I am not convinced that this communication is authentic. Unless other evidence can be provided I shall consider it as a hoax, though I will gladly attempt further communication. |
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