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Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
174
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Posted - 2014.12.03 04:12:56 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Tear Jar wrote:Thera looks like a great place to buy small goods. T3s and interceptors can reasonably warp in and out to buy/supply the place. Why would you go to Thera when you can go to Jita?
Maybe you live in the middle of nowhere null sec? It may be quicker to do your shopping in Thera. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2340
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Posted - 2014.12.03 04:17:13 -
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Tear Jar wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Tear Jar wrote:Thera looks like a great place to buy small goods. T3s and interceptors can reasonably warp in and out to buy/supply the place. Why would you go to Thera when you can go to Jita? Maybe you live in the middle of nowhere null sec? It may be quicker to do your shopping in Thera. You'd still be less likely to find Thera than any other random wormhole that would inevitably lead to empire space. And the latter would be less dangerous.
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https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Gogela
The Conference Elite CODE.
3280
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Posted - 2014.12.03 05:28:15 -
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Tear Jar wrote:Gogela wrote:With regards to the draw for players going to Thera I haven't heard anything convincing from anyone which would dissuade players from going based on what the system represents and the opportunities it affords those bold enough to go. There are plenty of reasons to go to Thera. My only concern about this system since we got more details is that there are only 4 stations and I think they may be perma camped. If that ends up being the case, the foundational reasons for going to Thera will crumble. If you can't access the station, it'll be like there are no stations. ...so what's the point, than? Fortunately I think the fix is relatively simple. They'll need to post some over-sized station guns on the stations, giving most players at least a chance of getting out of the undock area. I don't think anything needs to be said to CCP about this, though. We can just kick back and wait to see what happens. If I'm right than the problems with Thera will become apparent on their own. With CCPs rapid deployment of patches these days, they could fix it in a down time. If Thera doesn't deliver or isn't used, I'm sure CCP will simply make the changes required to get it where it needs to be. Thera will take care of itself. It'll be molded into something useful, albeit in time. Just my 2 isk... Ned Thomas wrote:People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists".
That is all. Also: This ^ is the funniest thing ever on the internet. +1 Even if it is permacamped, nullfied Cov ops T3s and Interceptors will be able to get in and out with proper bookmarks. Its a great market to sell and buy small cargo. ...maybe. IF they don't get bumped off bookmark when they undock. I'm an avid nullified T3 operator when messing with the nullsec markets. It's not as cut and dry when undocking because your enemy knows exactly where you will be and n what trajectory when you undock. A little lag can be a real killer when facing a station camp. ...but yes I'm sure some will still be able to survive for a bit / most of the time. There are some really slippery people in this game.
I'm not really that worried about it, though. CCP will fix it if things need fixin', and I'm wrong in my EvE predictions as often as I'm right so wtf do I know anyway? I think this is one we'll just have to chill out on and watch as it unfolds. |
Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
25
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Posted - 2014.12.03 09:04:44 -
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Tear Jar wrote:Gogela wrote:With regards to the draw for players going to Thera I haven't heard anything convincing from anyone which would dissuade players from going based on what the system represents and the opportunities it affords those bold enough to go. There are plenty of reasons to go to Thera. My only concern about this system since we got more details is that there are only 4 stations and I think they may be perma camped. If that ends up being the case, the foundational reasons for going to Thera will crumble. If you can't access the station, it'll be like there are no stations. ...so what's the point, than? Fortunately I think the fix is relatively simple. They'll need to post some over-sized station guns on the stations, giving most players at least a chance of getting out of the undock area. I don't think anything needs to be said to CCP about this, though. We can just kick back and wait to see what happens. If I'm right than the problems with Thera will become apparent on their own. With CCPs rapid deployment of patches these days, they could fix it in a down time. If Thera doesn't deliver or isn't used, I'm sure CCP will simply make the changes required to get it where it needs to be. Thera will take care of itself. It'll be molded into something useful, albeit in time. Just my 2 isk... Ned Thomas wrote:People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists".
That is all. Also: This ^ is the funniest thing ever on the internet. +1 Even if it is permacamped, nullfied Cov ops T3s and Interceptors will be able to get in and out with proper bookmarks. Its a great market to sell and buy small cargo.
small cargo doesn't make for a trade hub ...
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.12.03 09:12:04 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:I am totally sold on this argument.
Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. You're nuts. That being said, you could use a bit more color. HOWEVER (comma) <----- BIG however....
Even if there were an area designated as instant pvp, that wouldn't change the complexion of EVE as EVEryone KNOWS New Eden is that area and such a designation would be redundant. SO, I'd place the OP in the strawman argument zone.
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
258
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Posted - 2014.12.03 10:58:08 -
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Que Thera, Thera Whatever will be, will be
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1348
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Posted - 2014.12.03 11:35:22 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:I am totally sold on this argument.
Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. My Hero. :)
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699
Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
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Square PI
Hedion University Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2014.12.03 13:34:45 -
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Aladar Dangerface wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Hi sec players wont be going to Thera.
And since most of the pvp is centered around beating up of high sec players.
You get the picture. Centred around high sec? Really? i mean really????
Go on the map in Eve. Switch it to Ships destroyed and Player in system.
Conculsion from this? Yes. centered around high sec. At least this is how i see these data. |
Prt Scr
569th Freelancers
94
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:02:10 -
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i know its a bit off topic, but i know we cant take caps into Thera...can we build them in the stations? I just toooo lazy to read all the info and find out
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flaming phantom
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
50
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Posted - 2014.12.03 15:38:31 -
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I personally am looking forward to being able to quickly go somewhere and get a fight. You seem butthurt that now people won't have to roam for hours just to get a fight, I say good. Who the heck wants to literally spend hours trying to get 2 minutes of excitement?
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2347
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Posted - 2014.12.03 16:04:20 -
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flaming phantom wrote:I personally am looking forward to being able to quickly go somewhere and get a fight killed by a blob. Fixed that for ya.
flaming phantom wrote:Who the heck wants to literally spend hours trying to get 2 minutes of excitement? Someone with enough self-respect to not treat this game like a CoD title.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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DaReaper
Net 7
1398
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Posted - 2014.12.03 17:47:39 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Tear Jar wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Tear Jar wrote:Thera looks like a great place to buy small goods. T3s and interceptors can reasonably warp in and out to buy/supply the place. Why would you go to Thera when you can go to Jita? Maybe you live in the middle of nowhere null sec? It may be quicker to do your shopping in Thera. You'd still be less likely to find Thera than any other random wormhole that would inevitably lead to empire space. And the latter would be less dangerous.
While this may be true it doesn't eliminate the fact that you might very well link to threa sometime. and if it was being managed as a free port or even controlled by someone, you could still slip in and out if you did not want to run to jita.
That's the point. It can be used for all kinda of things. one of which being a moving trade hub. Sure not everyone will always have access to it, but then you do it could be a godsend or a hellish nightmare depending on who is living there.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Medalyn Isis
Aliastra Gallente Federation
457
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Posted - 2014.12.03 19:18:06 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:I am totally sold on this argument.
Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. Greyscale response = best response.
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Cyndrogen
Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector
649
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Posted - 2014.12.03 19:18:56 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists".
That is all.
I see what you did there... LMAO!!! |
Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2014.12.04 03:08:10 -
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For you voly ol pal I will unleash my legions and sit on it so you wont have to worry about it
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1206
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Posted - 2014.12.04 03:13:13 -
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Cyndrogen wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists".
That is all. I see what you did there... LMAO!!!
Give them Vodka and they will be Thera-pisseds.
Then you can attack them while they are AFK having a Thera-pee . |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
162
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Posted - 2014.12.04 03:16:41 -
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Eve players are hard to please, c'mon lets just call it as we see it.
There is no case against Thera because it is simply part of the game, I think we forget that we are playing a game that is set in the distant future where many different storylines are possible. An NPC entity has worked out how to put stations in wormholes and Thera is the result. end of story.
In my opinion Thera will be an amazing place which will create PVP and trade opportunities. I think it is a great place for a blue community to thrive.
Thera is a place where teamwork will be the crucial factor in achieving success. I'm considering doing another Hub Zero there which I am sure will be epic even if it fails.
CCP has done well on this one, this really is a remarkable sci-fi adventure.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
831
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Posted - 2014.12.08 01:21:10 -
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flaming phantom wrote:Who the heck wants to literally spend hours trying to get 2 minutes of excitement?
I'm guessing you haven't ever been laid.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Sundial Hakaari
Solar Fields Corp.
1
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Posted - 2014.12.08 04:01:40 -
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Thera is no more like a battleground than any other individual system in EVE is.
Is the player limited? No. Are there set teams in the game or matchmaking? No, its complete decided by the players. Is entering Thera done with a queuing system and/or fast travel? No, you enter Thera from within new Eden without any sort of queue or matchmaking system. Are there set objectives / scoring systems / winners and losers? No, its up to the players.
So to sum it up, Thera is completely player driven in all aspects that could qualify it as a battleground.
This is one of the weakest analogies I have come across in my online days. |
dark heartt
513
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Posted - 2014.12.08 07:13:52 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Hi sec players wont be going to Thera.
And since most of the pvp is centered around beating up of high sec players.
You get the picture.
I will be. Just saying.
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Tarko Auduin
Dutch East Querious Company Phoebe Freeport Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.12.08 21:25:08 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Even if your view was correct, i.e. that thera is just another system, it would still hurt open world pvp by its introduction. More systems spread out a thin population making it harder to find pvp in the open world. OFC if thera is successful and reaches a significant concentration of players, well then those players by definition are not elsewhere, thus pvp elsewhere is hurt. Either way open world pvp takes a hit.
Quick! Everyone to Jita, set the sec status to 0.0, and close the rest of EVE!
If theres only one system, then everyone HAS to be there!
Maximum population density!
Free Markets!
Fights!
EVE is saved!
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
347
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Posted - 2014.12.08 22:25:12 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Because I am contrarian:
Eve is promoted as an open world pvp game.
The antithesis of an open world pvp game is battle zones.
In open world mmos where battle zones have been introduced open world pvp has greatly suffered.
A battle zone is about "immediate pvp", whereas open world games typically eschew instant pvp in favor of a hunting style.
When battle zones are introduced in an open world game, a significant percentage of players will abandon the open world game in favor of obtaining instant pvp. In other words, the battle zones suck the pvp out of the open world areas like a vacuum, killing open world play.
Thera functions like a battle zone. Its clear purpose is to promote availability of instant pvp, i.e. you log into Thera and get fights.
If players are in Thera they are not, by definition, in the rest of eve living, fighting and dying. Consequently, Thera harms open world pvp in eve by removing players from systems where they would normally be living, roaming and fighting and placing them in a single location. The more Thera is a success, the more it hurts pvp in the rest of the game. After all, why should some player spend hours roaming through lowsec looking for fights when they can just log into Thera?
Recently CCP devs have been hell bent on gimmicky systems such as the ESS, fatigue, the MJD, etc. . . Thera is just another of these gimmicky ideas that seem good on the surface but with serious flaws under the surface.
If CCP truly wanted to promote an open world pvp play style, rather then relying on gimmicks, it would be substantially better if CCP improved lowsec and null giving players more reasons to live and fight in those area.
P.S. I am aware, BTW that battle zones are typically "instanced" whereas Thera is not. The analogy is not perfect, but IMO the effect of Thera should be the same as a battle zone.
I resubscribed just to say that this...is idiocy.
[i]"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit
It never felt so good, I never felt so hid"[/i]
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
318
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:34:36 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:I am totally sold on this argument.
Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence. How's that for a last dev post?
Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer]
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FaDe-iN
PhalanX ProjecT
10
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:44:49 -
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Jade Blackwind wrote:Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Thera functions like a battle zone. Its clear purpose is to promote availability of instant pvp, i.e. you log into Thera and get fights.
(...)
P.S. I am aware, BTW that battle zones are typically "instanced" whereas Thera is not. The analogy is not perfect, but IMO the effect of Thera should be the same as a battle zone.
...Delete FW? Also, ban RvB? Hint: instant PvP is already organized by the players and is fun.
I got to say, FW is deff instant pvp for the most part. But not easy pvp. It is a great mechanic that gives ppl that only have a few hours to play a nite the access to instant eve pvp.
I am having a blast here, though Amarr do seem to have some serious numbers atm. More to shot at me!!! |
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