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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.04 04:06:35 -
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sib you scary.
boosters get headshotted but considering the scale of the benefit to fleet, it is more than fair if they are at risk.
I engage in both off grid afk boosting in highsec, and tanky damnation on grid boosting elsewhere. bc RP i suppose
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.06 19:42:41 -
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Sibyyl wrote:You are taking this discussion down a path that has nothing to do with gameplay balance. Justifying mechanics using RP alone does not lend itself to a rational discussion. It's more of a religious discussion, since RP is a product of a story. RP is and always should be sacrificed in favor of a balanced gameplay mechanic. <3
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.06 19:52:04 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Daemun Khanid wrote:Just an idea, I'm sure someone can find issues with it, but how about an anti-link module? Given how claustrophobic ship fits can be, I'm guessing anything of this sort is going to be a waste of a slot. You are better off assessing the situation and picking a fight you have a better chance of winning. It should be. It should require a ship specifically fit to block links in order to counter a ship specifically fit to provide them. Otherwise there's an imbalance in cost/fitting efficiency. You shouldn't be able to shut down a 500mil+ link ship with any old ship throwing a module in an unused high slot. eh. what about the fleet it's in.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.06 19:58:17 -
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link ships are usually in system with a fleet?
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.06 20:05:32 -
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I boost for myself, and have two link booster characters (fyi). Alts are for odd things that uniboxers wouldn't do.
hell, I even keep a perfect mining booster character, and I don't mine.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.06 20:30:26 -
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RE: anti-link module. Things must be bad if we're trying to come up with an anti-link module.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.06 21:32:03 -
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I'm not seeing any way to fix boosting for isolated cases in lowsec or highsec, except disallowing them there. It's a fleet mechanic, and boosts are valid for any number of ships between 2 and 250. That's one of the benefits, too. A Battlecruiser pilot can run a link for his buddies while they're doing stuff like PVE. Staying within the realm of EVE-practical, how would you surgically fix the l337 PVP edge cases? I think it's one of those simple cases of use it or don't.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.06 22:02:48 -
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turn off links in a duel, I guess, but that would only apply to duels, and not [even] resulting limited engagements.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.06 23:57:53 -
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I can understand why players want pure PVP, free of links. The other thing that came to mind as I left the computer earlier was watching for neutrals in local. It seems that right now, the only way to guarantee a 1v1 is free of links is only fighting when the two of you are alone in local. If those are the engagements they want, players will have to wait for the right conditions, and a lot of PVP is like that already. You have to wait and pick your fights.
Zappity, sorry about that. I wasn't advocating for removing them from high/low, I was just saying that's the only solution I could think of, by security rating.
Those new frigate holes in Rhea should be free of links, due to ship size limitations.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.07 01:30:52 -
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When I helped Derp Durrr run pvp tournaments, we made a decision to run full links and require contestants to be in fleet, to avoid this issue. Requiring everyone to be in fleet was enough to ensure links weren't an advantage to individual players, but we ran links to avoid the objection of not having them. If 1v1 PVP is a need for players, and something they want in the game, I'm of the opinion they should get to have it with some consistency (rather than having to camp out for the perfect fight, isolated in local with just 1 other player). Dojos were meant to address this, right? Of course, dojos aren't even on Singularity.
I run links and multibox, and that makes me happy. Still, I get it. Solo PVP. But the other point I want to make is... sometimes you have to adjust to the rules that are available to you. Otherwise you'll be waiting for a long time for something to change. In this case, meeting EVE half way between 1v1 and link mechanics would look like running your own links. If the point is fighting 1 ship on predictable and equal terms... chances are they have links, and having your own will make the fight equal. Chances are.
Of course, everything after this point is what brings the resentment, like 'why do i need a second account.' But basically, EVE is a multiplayer game, and some players game harder than others. If you want to include those other players in a particular type of gameplay, you kinda gotta meet them half way in this case.
It's a case of fighting the tide, I think. Join a 1v1 PVP league where you can be in the same fleet, is my other thought.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.07 03:50:28 -
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The biggest flaw in the premise of 'something must be done about links' is engagements can be avoided for the most part. FW-> no bubbles right, and you're able to see people coming pretty much all the time? And gate fights don't usually happen due to gate guns. Basically don't take fights that you don't know for sure are link-free. You're really expecting a lot to change to accommodate -your- playstyle, which is other players, who have just as much freedom to play this game how they want.
I'm not saying anything about your opinion mattering less by virtue of number of accounts, but to accommodate in this situation would be to placate. By way of massive game mechanics changes, on-grid boosting and disallowing links during duels being the minor end of those changes.
It's true that nerfs to links would be nerfs to everyone across the board, but that's expecting a lot for the sake of this scenario of the unknown. Can you even be sure the other player had links, and that's why you lost? Even if they have a link alt, and they were in local, do you know they were undocked and running boosts? Is this remotely petition-able?
If links are such a problem in lowsec (FW), perhaps links should be disallowed in FW, or lowsec. And that would be the best compromise for this situation. Just keep in mind that you're talking about a game-wide mechanic, yet a very isolated low-stakes case of 1v1 PVP.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.07 04:06:29 -
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I can answer that. Because everyone I know has at least one link alt. Anyone who does anything that matters does too.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.07 04:38:48 -
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Hakuri Hanomaa wrote:Rain6637 wrote:I can answer that. Because everyone I know has at least one link alt. I see. Do you know so many people that they number a statistically significant sample of the playerbase as a whole? yes.
FaDe-iN wrote:U don't fw much do u? lol no. because it's mindless and goes nowhere and your environment changes not one bit. might as well be grinding high sec missions for standings and ISK. kills, they mean nothing. might put my market / high sec character into FW, though, for some mission grinding (for the promotions -> faction standings -> market transaction tax savings).
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.07 04:53:37 -
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this made my night.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.07 04:59:10 -
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You can't look at just the number of booster characters in EVE. Those characters are owned by players with more than that account. affecting those characters is affecting players who control more accounts than their numbers.
the people complaining about solo fights, and the sanctity of one account per player? one account per.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.07 05:30:28 -
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Normally when something is beneficial, you exploit it. In the case of links, I see an impossible crusade. Disallowing boosting within POS forcefields was one thing, but [apparently] moving boosters on grid (and requiring a grid check) is outside the realm of possibility. Watch list is an upper limit to grid checks, and that's just 15 ships... a link/grid fix is really far off. Right now the smart thing is use the good thing.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.07 05:40:59 -
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Highsec kills are high just because -so- many assets are there, for fear of the deep end. (and the sorta deep end where you can barely keep your head above water, or lowsec).
There's really no point in making a valid argument for why links should get to stay off grid, because it's due to a computing limitation and how the game is programmed. It's the way it is because that's the only way it can be, without rewriting the game. Getting worked up over it is pointless too. Just get a link booster. Playing with one account provides the bare minimum for change in this game of lots of people and even more alts.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.07 05:45:00 -
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and he's new. he's asking me to rehash years of topics about the difference between grid and system checks.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.07 05:48:52 -
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so why are you asking me to recount why off-grid boosting is stuck that way?
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.07 05:53:48 -
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If it's up to me, I'd rather keep you in the dark. So no I won't spoon feed you info about brain in a box.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.07 05:59:51 -
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Hold on. This post of yours was one of my favorite this year.
FaDe-iN wrote:Rain6637 wrote:so why are you asking me to recount why off-grid boosting is stuck that way? Cause I am not a tit sucking leache, I have seen the arguments about why EVE cant change, then shortly after-the turds like you flip there stance when CCP fix's a mechanic. Get on bored with why boosters need a change. Help your community, not hinder it. The last time I saw a post that great was... sec, lemme find it thru google.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.07 06:17:11 -
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I'm trying to be honest with you. I disclosed that I have two booster characters with 100 mil and 50 mil SP, and I've got two more characters finishing up 50 mil SP in supports who will become my next two boosters. These are legitimate, full characters. Maybe I've just responded to the state of things differently.
PS I can't seem to find that post, I was sure it was in the wormhole NPC kills API endpoint thread.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.07 06:23:51 -
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He reminds me of Nevil Oscillator, but Nevil is better in the attitude department somehow.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.07 11:26:19 -
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that'swhatshesaid
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.09 09:16:16 -
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Gavin Dax wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Yes, a second account for a boosting alt helps you in a fight. Nerf OGB.
A second account for a logi alt helps you in a fight. Nerf logi.
A second account for a Falcon alt helps you in a fight. Nerf Falcon.
A second account for a DPS alt helps you in a fight. Nerf DPS. OGB, logi, and ECM are all broken. EVE would be a much better game without these things. OGB has the worst risk/reward balance of those though. It's also not something that someone would reasonably do on their main. shiiiet that's all I do baby.
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