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lexa21
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.03 21:01:36 -
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Good day time everyone. I would like to form this topic in a vote-style but actually couldnGÇÖt find how to do that so it would be great if you guys reply your thoughts about it.
So what is a classic client? Few years ago there were two versions of eve client. Premium that provides a better graphics quality, redesigned ship models and high end innovations. And classic that was the old game client itself. I`ll post some pictures for thaws who missed old graphic style client.
Old style in game graphics
Old style interface
Main concepts of classic client: 1) Highly reduced graphics content 2) Reduced requirements for RAM and CPU 3) Schematic and useful interface
Main goals: 1) More useful client for massive battles (yes, we have to turn off brackets to fly in 300 people fleet) 2) Multiclient gaming (IGÇÖm not talking about 20 -30 windows but it would be useful even with 3 of them) 3) Old PC support 4) ItGÇÖs not so hard to add few features that donGÇÖt depends on graphics and developers certainly have an old client builds.
The main question is "Do we actually need it and would developers build it?". Your answers are welcomed. CCP official answers are good to.
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Beledia Ilphukiir
Proffessional Experts Group
47
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Posted - 2014.12.03 21:10:02 -
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No we don't need it and it is a waste of development resources to maintain it. Even a mediocre PC these days can handle a large amount of clients without issues, so I'm not in any way convinced there is a real need in the community for this. There is definitely some level of desire for such things, but those are outlier cases. |
Kaaeliaa
The Vendunari End of Life
40815
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Posted - 2014.12.03 21:24:31 -
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No.
Next.
LAGL Cosplayer. Princess of Sibyyl's Pillowfort. This is my jam!
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
18188
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Posted - 2014.12.03 21:25:22 -
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Oh yes, maintaining 2 different clients is a great use of CCP's resources, just so people who refuse to give up their Tandy Sensation 386 sx1 with the whopping 150mb hd and spacious 4 megs of ram can play eve without upgrading from windows 3.1!
Thank you Op for this wonderous idea!
Maybe next I can outfit my ******* blender with an old LCD dot matrix screen from my busted GameBoy and maybe the circuit board from my Commodore 64 and demand that in addition to blending, CCP must make a 4-bit monochrome client so I can make a milkshake with some Ovaltine, some fresh milk that is delivered in glass bottles every morning by the milkman, and some snow that we pack down from the mountain tops every year and keep in our winter cellar surrounded by sawdust so we can keep the venison cold while pa is out heading to californy to find some work while we stay here in the cabin and read letters from the northern warfront and Mr Lincoln's latest proclaimation as he rides off on a pterodactyl over the freshly separated continents inhabited by fish with feet that just crawled out of the water.. and play eve at the same time.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
44
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Posted - 2014.12.03 21:35:16 -
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I would be happy if they would make a client that based purely on google spreadsheet. i dont see how this would be an issue and in fact i can see it increasing the suscruiber base |
Petrus Blackshell
Scrap Metal Squadron
3218
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Posted - 2014.12.03 21:47:18 -
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Hi. Software engineer here with some perspective.
The classic client was dropped in 2009. That was the Dominion expansion. There have been 13 expansions since then. Just going down the Wikipedia article and from my bittervet memory, the changes that would have taken significant coding efforts on the client side have happened:
- Replaced web browser (which has since gotten so old and stinky it really needs a whole replacement again)
- Planetary interaction. All of it.
- Changes to how transmitting information about missiles, drones, fighters, and fighter bombers is handled.
- New "landmarks" and all the assets that come with that.
- Incursions. The whole giant monolithic set of features that encompasses.
- New ships (Revenant, Noctis, new fighter bombers, etc)
- Character portrait editor reworked from scratch. No old portraits preserved, i.e. the old portrait maker is 100% obsolete and gone.
- Walking in stations. Since this still melts modern computers, I presume you'd like to completely skip it, right?
- NeX store (now New Eden Store).
- 4 new battlecruisers.
- New launcher/update system.
- New drones.
- TiDi, and all the client infrastructure to smoothly support it.
- Overhauled war system and UI. Mercenary marketplace for wars. Old war UI is obsolete and gone.
- FW overhaul with new UI and mechanics. Old FW UI/mechanics are obsolete and gone.
- UI and underpinnings change to inventory management.
- Kill mails -> Kill reports.
- Crimewatch and its necessary UI changes for flags, safety settings, and such.
- 4 new destroyers, 1 new frigate, 1 new drone.
- Exploration/hacking overhaul. Mechanics change makes old UI obsolete and gone.
- 4 new (navy) battlecruisers.
- Sec status tags and the new UI surrounding that.
- POS mechanics changes / UI improvements.
- Ghost sites, and all their assets, mechanics, and UI.
- Personal mobile/anchorable stuff, and their mechanics/UI.
- New pirate faction (SoE).
- New class of missile launchers.
- ISIS - entirely new UI and interaction method.
- Updates to new player experience and tutorials.
- New pirate faction (Mordu's Legion).
- New expedition frigate.
- Industry mechanics/UI overhaul.
- Burner missions, and their assets.
- Skill queue mechanics/UI changes.
- Mechanics/UI changes for exploration escalations.
And, coming in less than a week:
- New destroyer, new freighter
- New mechanics for some WH systems
This list? This is a bare minimum of work that the development team would have to do if they picked up the 2009 classic client and wanted to make it work with today's TQ. That is, on top of hundreds or thoudands of bug-fixes that have to be re-fixed, changes that we (as players) are not privvy to, and tons of bug testing / QA. After that, whenever a mechanics change happens, the front-end devs have to do it twice. With extra difficulties too, because the people who wrote that old code are probably not around to ask what "0x5f3759df" means or why it was coded that way.
All this for what? Eve already runs just fine on a crappy Best Buy Special PC. It is already one of the lowest-hardware-requirement games on the market. How many people are there using computers so old that their CPUs' instruction sets are literally not produced or supported anymore by any hardware manufacturer?
There is literally no benefit for doing this. Zero.
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
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45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
117
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Posted - 2014.12.03 22:00:10 -
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lexa21 wrote:Good day time everyone. I would like to form this topic in a vote-style but actually couldnGÇÖt find how to do that so it would be great if you guys reply your thoughts about it. So what is a classic client? Few years ago there were two versions of eve client. Premium that provides a better graphics quality, redesigned ship models and high end innovations. And classic that was the old game client itself. I`ll post some pictures for thaws who missed old graphic style client. Old style in game graphicsOld style interface Main concepts of classic client: 1) Highly reduced graphics content 2) Reduced requirements for RAM and CPU 3) Schematic and useful interface Main goals: 1) More useful client for massive battles (yes, we have to turn off brackets to fly in 300 people fleet) 2) Multiclient gaming (IGÇÖm not talking about 20 -30 windows but it would be useful even with 3 of them) 3) Old PC support 4) ItGÇÖs not so hard to add few features that donGÇÖt depends on graphics and developers certainly have an old client builds. The main question is "Do we actually need it and would developers build it?". Your answers are welcomed. CCP official answers are good to.
Why go back to the past ?
If you put all of your Video settings on low that should do it or you need to upgrade to a new computer.
That is my 2 cents worth.
**You Have to take the good with the bad
and the bad with the good.
Welcome to EvE OnLiNe**
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1432
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Posted - 2014.12.03 22:14:58 -
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we typically only fight in fleets of around max 30-40 pilots and we never take on more than 200 foes....we dont need it
Edit: and screw old PC support
TunDraGon is recruiting!
"Also, your boobs [:o] " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
"When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Marsha Mallow
1720
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Posted - 2014.12.03 22:17:28 -
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^
DON'T BE RIDICULOUS!
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1205
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Posted - 2014.12.03 22:22:44 -
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metalravenous wrote:I would be happy if they would make a client that based purely on google spreadsheet. i dont see how this would be an issue and in fact i can see it increasing the suscruiber base
TBH with the sole exception of manual piloting in PvP there is no need for the graphical aspects of EVE at all if we gained a 3D minimap for tactical views. The only other graphical windows necessary would be PI and the F10 maps. |
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Lucrii Dei
Vector Galactic Did he say Jump
167
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Posted - 2014.12.03 23:00:09 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Oh yes, maintaining 2 different clients is a great use of CCP's resources, just so people who refuse to give up their Tandy Sensation 386 sx1 with the whopping 150mb hd and spacious 4 megs of ram can play eve without upgrading from windows 3.1!
Thank you Op for this wonderous idea!
Maybe next I can outfit my ******* blender with an old LCD dot matrix screen from my busted GameBoy and maybe the circuit board from my Commodore 64 and demand that in addition to blending, CCP must make a 4-bit monochrome client so I can make a milkshake with some Ovaltine, some fresh milk that is delivered in glass bottles every morning by the milkman, and some snow that we pack down from the mountain tops every year and keep in our winter cellar surrounded by sawdust so we can keep the venison cold while pa is out heading to californy to find some work while we stay here in the cabin and read letters from the northern warfront and Mr Lincoln's latest proclaimation as he rides off on a pterodactyl over the freshly separated continents inhabited by fish with feet that just crawled out of the water.. and play eve at the same time.
What?
Gÿå The Explorer I
Gÿå The Explorer II (Coming Soon!)
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Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
504
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Posted - 2014.12.03 23:05:11 -
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considering a -ú300 pc could run Eve at high quality its really not needed. |
Orlacc
648
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Posted - 2014.12.03 23:14:36 -
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Lets do the game in ASCII. ANd wtf is a clinent?
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7428
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Posted - 2014.12.03 23:16:31 -
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How about no?
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1205
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Posted - 2014.12.03 23:24:54 -
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Orlacc wrote:Lets do the game in ASCII. ANd wtf is a clinent?
If you can get an ASCII QUAKE II using AA_LIB why not an an ASCII EVE ? Should be a relatively simple port.
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Marsha Mallow
1720
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Posted - 2014.12.03 23:38:25 -
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How about YES
ED. I forgot the question, but w/e
DON'T BE RIDICULOUS!
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
6106
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Posted - 2014.12.03 23:39:34 -
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Doesn't get more classic than this.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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DaReaper
Net 7
1400
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Posted - 2014.12.03 23:46:33 -
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no, I just installed eve last night on my asus t200 transformer book, on low graphics I had zero issues going for a spin in wormholes. Classic client is not needed.
HOWVER if they had the HD texture packs... then yes they need a separate client.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Serene Repose
1702
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Posted - 2014.12.03 23:58:45 -
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Staring at asteroids got your mind wandering?
Gankers are sociopaths who would rather use their time-in-place advantage to jump and one-shot a noob than fight straight-up someone who poses a challenge to them. If you need to call a ganker a "person," have at it. He is what he is.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
278
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Posted - 2014.12.04 07:11:14 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:With extra difficulties too, because the people who wrote that old code are probably not around to ask what "0x5f3759df" means or why it was coded that way. I was pleased to see this reference.
Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer]
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4924
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Posted - 2014.12.04 11:23:57 -
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How about no...
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
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Big Lynx
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
791
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Posted - 2014.12.04 12:58:42 -
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Orlacc wrote: ANd wtf is a clinent?
third-person plural present active subjunctive of cl-½n+ì. i still try to find the connection to eve. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21598
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Posted - 2014.12.04 13:54:46 -
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If you need the classic client, it's time to upgrade your potato.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Demolishar
United Aggression
1019
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Posted - 2014.12.04 15:38:58 -
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My PC is from 2008. I can run 10 clients at most. With ISBoxer banned, 10 clients is more than I can actually control anyway.
So I don't think there's any need for a reduction in the performance requirements. |
Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
383
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Posted - 2014.12.04 15:40:33 -
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I too demand to be able to play Eve on my TI-92 calculator. CCP, make it so or I will unsubscribe my elventy-bazillion accounts.
Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!
This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury
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Petrus Blackshell
Scrap Metal Squadron
3221
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Posted - 2014.12.04 15:48:36 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:I too demand to be able to play Eve on my TI-92 calculator. CCP, make it so or I will unsubscribe my elventy-bazillion accounts. Real pros play it on their TI-83 Plus Silver.
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
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NateX
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
0
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Posted - 2014.12.04 16:40:39 -
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Make a iOS client please! |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
18228
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Posted - 2014.12.04 20:18:43 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:I too demand to be able to play Eve on my TI-92 calculator. CCP, make it so or I will unsubscribe my elventy-bazillion accounts. Real pros play it on their TI-83 Plus Silver.
If you cant do it on a TI-80.. or at least a TI-73, then you have no business calling yourself a pro.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Takoma Panala
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.12.04 21:24:42 -
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I want a text-only version of the client.
"You Are In a System of Twisty Little Jumpgates, All Alike"
> Warp to Station
"It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a goon." |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
18233
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Posted - 2014.12.05 01:25:34 -
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Takoma Panala wrote:I want a text-only version of the client.
"You Are In a System of Twisty Little Jumpgates, All Alike"
> Warp to Station
"It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a goon."
> warp north
"you are in an empty area of space"
> warp north
"you are in an empty area of space"
> warp east
"you are in an almost empty area of space"
> search
"your search has revealed another pilot in your vicinity."
> look at pilot
"pilot "YoloSwag420420" is flying a Venture class frigate."
> target Yolo
"target not found"
> target Yoloswag420420
"you have successfully targeted YoloSwag420420."
> scramble Yoloswag420420
"you have successfully warp scrambled YoloSwag420420"
> f1
"your blaster hits YoloSwag420420 for 30 damage."
> f1
"your blaster hits YoloSwag420420 for 30 damage."
> f1
"your blaster hits YoloSwag420420 for 30 damage."
> f1
"your blaster hits YoloSwag420420 for 30 damage."
> are you ******* kidding me?
"unrecognized command."
> **** my life.
"unrecognized command."
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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