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Duban Banned
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Posted - 2006.09.05 02:08:00 -
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Although i'm normally caladari, i always wanted to move into recon cruisers, so my first choice seemed the ever cool Rook. But against battleships it'd had "holes", just a 88% chance of jamming at lvl 4 with 5 hypnos jammers. The more i look into it the more it just seems the huginn and rapier with thier 60% per level webifier bonus gives them a great edge. Add in 4 sensor dampeners and it will drop a lock range of 250km down to 18km. With a faction 1 pt jammer you can easily keep them webbed and scrammed at 20km and there isnt' a "beep" thing they can do about it. With the cloak of the rapier i have 100% control over when and how the battles are faught. Anything i'm missing here?
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Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.05 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Duban Banned With the cloak of the rapier i have 100% control over when and how the battles are faught.
This is the strength of all recon ships, not just the rapier.
If they do their job right they will be able to substantially dictate the range and terms of an engagement.
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Duban Banned
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Posted - 2006.09.05 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Pestillence
Originally by: Duban Banned With the cloak of the rapier i have 100% control over when and how the battles are faught.
This is the strength of all recon ships, not just the rapier.
If they do their job right they will be able to substantially dictate the range and terms of an engagement.
Yes but combine that with a 34km webifier range, and it can dictate it to a point that none of the other recons can match. Which to me means complete victory.
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Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.05 03:29:00 -
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Take the gallente one, you dampen the enemy and web him.
He can't lock because he's dampened and you go to town on him. Same result but a different flavour of ship.
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.05 03:42:00 -
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Edited by: xeom on 05/09/2006 03:41:46
Originally by: Duban Banned
Originally by: Pestillence
Originally by: Duban Banned With the cloak of the rapier i have 100% control over when and how the battles are faught.
This is the strength of all recon ships, not just the rapier.
If they do their job right they will be able to substantially dictate the range and terms of an engagement.
Yes but combine that with a 34km webifier range, and it can dictate it to a point that none of the other recons can match. Which to me means complete victory.
Wrong a caldarie could simply perma jam him.A gallante could leave him with 5k lock range.And a amarr could suck his cap totaly dry. ---
CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
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Foulis
Minmatar Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.05 04:02:00 -
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Rapier works really well, I remember one time it was just three of us against 5 enemies. There was my friend in a rapier, another guy in a vaga, and me in a hound.
Since all but 1 enemy ship was close range, we'd wait until one moved away from the group, then web everyone rip the one guy apart and then have the vaga warp out, while our cloakers hid and waited for another one to stray from the herd. ----
Cake > Pie - Imaran Cathath > Imaran - Cathath
Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
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Eudoxus
Ars Caelestis
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Posted - 2006.09.05 05:10:00 -
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Biggest issue I have come across so far with using the Rapier in this fashion - trying for a decloak and attack - is the recalibration delay. So yes, you can choose your engagements but the targets are not co-operative when they see someone decloak 26km or what have you from a gate - they run. They know the person doing the decloaking is expecting to rip them a new one having already analyzed the encounter. And in that 5 seconds or so it takes for you to even get to start locking (let alone lock), they are gone.
Don't get me wrong, I have had some success but only vs people very slow on the take up of what is happening and only ever in small worthless ships. Someone flying something decent is going to be smart enough to know what is going on and will run. And if they don't run, you probably may have bit off more than you can chew.
If the recalibration penalty went away, this would be superb technique, but, alas, it is realistically only an option for the bombers but they have a vastly lower number of potential targets.
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.09.05 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Eudoxus Biggest issue I have come across so far with using the Rapier in this fashion - trying for a decloak and attack - is the recalibration delay. So yes, you can choose your engagements but the targets are not co-operative when they see someone decloak 26km or what have you from a gate - they run. They know the person doing the decloaking is expecting to rip them a new one having already analyzed the encounter. And in that 5 seconds or so it takes for you to even get to start locking (let alone lock), they are gone.
Don't get me wrong, I have had some success but only vs people very slow on the take up of what is happening and only ever in small worthless ships. Someone flying something decent is going to be smart enough to know what is going on and will run. And if they don't run, you probably may have bit off more than you can chew.
If the recalibration penalty went away, this would be superb technique, but, alas, it is realistically only an option for the bombers but they have a vastly lower number of potential targets.
Its only 5 seconds... battleships can't align/warp that quick. Its really an insignificant amount of time, often BCs and HACs and cruisers can't warp quick enough.
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
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Posted - 2006.09.05 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Sandra Tseng on 05/09/2006 14:51:22 The only flaw in this is that the OP and most replies seemes to be originating from a 1vs1 situation. Something that rarely happens (to clarify: rarely means not that often, but it do happen occationally)
(occationally means little more frequent than rarely btw)
or at least I think so
Killed my sig AGAIN! :p http://www.ninc.org/krubarax/images/2d/verydisco.jpg |
Nafri
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.05 14:57:00 -
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get a arazu, does the job 22x better
From Dusk till Dawn
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Laythun
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.05 14:58:00 -
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its a good ship, but the Curse is by far the superior of the recons.
33km nos jamming/ew in mids light armour tank.
in a gang it IS the most deadly ship, i have been both victim and victor in situations with them.
Sure an arazu cen damp you, but you can still shoot when u get in lock range. Sure u can be permajammed but that doest stop you mwd/afb from working. Sure you can be webbed, but they can warp away or wait for you to get with weapon range.
See You In Space Cowboy |
Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:05:00 -
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Curse and/or Pilgrim, yeh.
Nos, EW, Tracking Disruptors, and tough as nails to boot.
I don't agree that it's neccessarily better than the Arazu, though. One Arazu and a few Curses/Pilgrims makes me happy in my pants.
Incidentally Layhtun, Im 100% sure we met at the Fanfest, but I can't remember what the hell you looked like or even actually meeting you :S
Originally by: D'Hofren The amazing boost amarr thread with it's amorphic elastic maths
Scrapheap Challenge!
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Laythun
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
I don't agree that it's neccessarily better than the Arazu, though. One Arazu and a few Curses/Pilgrims makes me happy in my pants.
Ah...my old nemesis Mr Mctest..
On this occasion you are right, my choice of wingman when in my curse is my arazu flying corp mate Dellie
Originally by: Testy Mctest
Incidentally Layhtun, Im 100% sure we met at the Fanfest, but I can't remember what the hell you looked like or even actually meeting you :S
In fact you was one of the first people i met, You hugged me...strangely..i was the best dressed person there..ring a bell?
See You In Space Cowboy |
Biffco
Minmatar ORB enterprises
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:55:00 -
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Get the Rapier.
I can sell you one Friendly Freighter Service - Awaiting Orders. |
XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:05:00 -
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The pilgrim rapes hacs if you set it proply as do the others, if you get all the recons in a force together you can kill anything 30km webbing, 36km scramming, target painting, ecm, stealths... nos... drones... guns... total *****in a team
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:18:00 -
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recons must be one of the most balanced classes in EVE since every ship has a place in the battlefield and they do it right.
not considering how powerfull the pilgrim/curse are, the recons each other can compliment themselves pretty well, and a gallente/minmatar recon pair in a small roaming gang can be very deadly (extended warp scramming + webbing range and super dampers? yes please). Even better than the rook/falcon sometimes imho, since dampers inside optimal hit 100% of the times -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Zooish
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:21:00 -
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Quote: The pilgrim rapes hacs if you set it proply
I always seem to have problems with Vaga's ......
3 x nos 2 x webs 2 x scrams
Any advice ?
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zooish
Quote: The pilgrim rapes hacs if you set it proply
I always seem to have problems with Vaga's ......
3 x nos 2 x webs 2 x scrams
Any advice ?
1 racial jammer -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Hampstah
Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.05 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Foulis Rapier works really well, I remember one time it was just three of us against 5 enemies. There was my friend in a rapier, another guy in a vaga, and me in a hound.
Since all but 1 enemy ship was close range, we'd wait until one moved away from the group, then web everyone rip the one guy apart and then have the vaga warp out, while our cloakers hid and waited for another one to stray from the herd.
That was my rapier...
All Recons are good, we have a lot of people in my corp that can fly them and we mix up types depending on the situation. Last night we had Pilgrim + Rapier + Blackbird + Flycatcher - now that's total control of any small scale situation.
----- Beware Rodentz with Gunz
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madhapee
Amarr Damage Unlimited Inc Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:36:00 -
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I like the cpu output of the rapier, makes it quite flexible.
I am not sure yet what guns I like, I have always stayed away from the 650's and 720's as their tracking usually sucks.
With the webbers I can pin my target in space which is nice, but without a scrambler at 20+ range it is still tricky to pin it at the right spot.
I also think a sensor booster II is almost a must, the thing just locks too slow.
The ship is best in a small wolfpack :)
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Nafri
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:50:00 -
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for direct combat I still prefer the combat versions of the recons:
cheaper, more effective, harder hitting
Especially a well trained rook can be very effective, nice anti frig abilities and you normally jamm 3-4 BS
From Dusk till Dawn
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Deadeye Dave
Amarr Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.06 17:08:00 -
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Something I would like to see on a Rapier:
1*Hakim's Modified Stasis Webifier 3*Shadow Serpntis Sensor Booster 2*Target Painter
4*Chelm's Modified RCU
Probably very useless but it has a VERY long web range with Recon 5.
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