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Alcazabedabra
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Posted - 2006.09.05 05:36:00 -
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Edited by: Alcazabedabra on 05/09/2006 05:43:08 Edited by: Alcazabedabra on 05/09/2006 05:42:50 In a description of the new Titan class starship, there appeared the claim that a Titan too closely approached a farming world, and created tidal effects that damaged local crops extensively.
Needless to say, this would require an awful lot of mass.
Looking for the most massive Titan, I examined the Amarr Avatar. It has a volume of 155,000 cubic kilometers and a mass of 1,687,500 metric tons.
These numbers are a little large for easy comprehension, so I had a simple comparison in mind.
Earth's moon exerts measurable tidal effects on our oceans at 385,000 kilometers with a mass of 67,131,670,760,000,000 metric tons and a volume of 2,196,800,000 cubic kilometers.
My data may be incorrect, and anyone who would like to can look up the facts and do their own calculations, but it looks as if the Avatar is one forteith the volume of the Moon - which is substantial.
But it is also 25 times denser.
Ships seem to be made largely of Tritanium, so that was the first mineral I looked up for density. No luck, I found a wikipedia listing of fictional materials. Tritanium doesn't seem to exist.
I don't see how a ship - which would have open spaces between bulkheads, hydrocarbon fuels for its engines, bays and a cargo hold... any ship that hauls stuff or carries crew will look like swiss cheese or a stack of waffles when cross-sectioned.
Despite this, it is many times denser than a round hunk of iron and nickel.
Was the ship's volume shrunk down by an order of magnitude to make the game playable in the presence of a Titan? Or is it actually made of dense enough stuff to outmass the Moon?
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EDIT:: Some of my data appears to be wildly incorrect. I think I copy/pasted some of the wrong numbers from my notepad... or maybe forgot to convert english tons to metric at some point. will check again in the morning.
Setting the numbers aside, I'd still like to call into question the claim that a Titan could drastically effect the tides of a farming world, and take another look at the ship's density.
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Koshmarnaya Akula
Kydance Radiant Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.05 05:54:00 -
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I appluad your mind but with that in mind I think youll find a great number of erroneous scientific concepts in Eve. Newtonian or not.
I think their intention was to elicit a sense of awe at the size, to further show the drastic scale at which they are not neccessarily creating a physical reprensation of what a Titan is or would do.
I mean after all, constelations aren't really constelations.....
Are they?
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Sadayiel
Caldari Tropical Killer Bananas
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Posted - 2006.09.05 10:31:00 -
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keep in mind that the chronicle refers to the empire titans, wich are a bit different to capsuleer ones (they are older versions, and maybe bigger than the ones available to us)
Also keep in mind that even if tritanium it¦s the most used components we know very little about the alloy, set with those materials.
Banana's 4tw - Xorus
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:10:00 -
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empire titans are flag ships of the respective navies and as such are bigger and probally more powerfull then the pod titans. im guessing that one could say scaled back titans are what our BPOs build as the navies didnt want to risk being out classed.
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Alcazabedabra
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Posted - 2006.09.05 17:17:00 -
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Interesting.
If that is the case, I'd like to see one of the empire titans, and get some specs on them.
Do the 'empire titans' manifest themselves in-game?
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Koshmarnaya Akula
Kydance Radiant Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.05 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Koshmarnaya Akula I think youll find a great number of erroneous scientific concepts in Eve. Newtonian or not.
I reieterate. No.
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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.05 20:57:00 -
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The mass on ships is balanced so they fit into certain equasions relating to accelration and top speed. Scientific accuracy takes a backseat.
If you want to squeeze in a scentifically accurate explaination anyway, it could well be that the Empire Titan (as mentioned by others, these are much larger than the ones that pod pilots have) was quite a bit closer than the moon--the inverse square law can be a harsh mistress.
There was an event a while back where a pirate group stole a Gallente Titan and ran off to Fountain. Don't remember what happened to it. ---- "Well in this case, he's being flamed, and rightly so, for whinning about a game mechanic that doesn't actually exist." -Lorth |
Yoshito Sanders
Amarr Ubiqua Seraph Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.09.06 00:34:00 -
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Just so you know, increasing a body's density doesn't increase it's gravitational pull except at short distances. If you collapsed the Sun into a black hole, all the planets would keep orbitting it in the same orbits they have now. So, just because a titan is denser than our moon doesn't mean that it will have a higher than expected tidal pull.
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Silver Night
Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.09.06 04:43:00 -
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You assume it uses hydrocarbon fuels. What if its something exotic and superdense? Caldari at least use 'Graviton' technology for propulsion. --------------
Director. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.06 15:02:00 -
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well what powers a titan? if empire titans are so huge they could have something beyond the Fusion in a crate of our day to day ships.
other scifi examples are the SSD which has whats basicly a small sun, or the romulan ships which use a small singularity.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Alcazabedabra Setting the numbers aside, I'd still like to call into question the claim that a Titan could drastically effect the tides of a farming world, and take another look at the ship's density.
Density is irrelevant, and IIRC it doesn't say how low it orbited? ----------
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Orvas Dren
Gallente The Nest
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Posted - 2006.09.11 16:04:00 -
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On a side note, the actual in-game size of many of the capitals is off.
My Thanatos is the same size as my Dominix, an Erebus is only a little larger than a Moros. Bring the carriers up to the size of a dreadnought, and then double all of the capitals, and then double the titans once over again. Then they would awe inspire.
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Kaiu
Hinkledolph and K Associates The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.09.15 11:11:00 -
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It flew "too close" to the colony? (Planet?)
A lot closer than the moon i guess? ____________________ MOGarmy
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