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LeFleur
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:16:42 -
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The new icons look bad for me, they are too small. I can scale the sidebar ones, but the station ones are fixed size and that's bad. It's just a bunch of small buttons that have little conection to their meaning in the place where there used to be an easy to use interface. I don't understand why they used that tiny symbol to symbolize a ship in fiting, I've seen it also in my ships in the hangar and every time I see it I need to make an actual mental effort to connect it with the ship, always thinking it's an status.
There's a push in design for flatter design that it's ruining everything in the web. The depth used to mean "This is a button". Nowday all is flat and part of the interface language is being lost because of it. Modern does not always mean functional or better looking. It just means modern. |
Jennifer Spearshield
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:20:57 -
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Dear CCP Staff,
A new fade effect was introduced to the game with the Rhea expansion: Every time a pop-up window appears, the entire background is darkened with a fade-effect.
It makes the game feel slow and sluggish.
Please either allow us to disable it entirely or at least make the fade-time at least two-three times faster.
Regards,
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Otto3d
Aerospace Corporation
6
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:17:24 -
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I am kind of conservative and I like the old User Interface better. I would like to see an option to opt out of the new interface and stick with the old one that we are more familiar with and it is colorful with pictures. I do like the ability to make things transparent and change the colors, however I don't like everything to be completely transparent. |
Jak Savage
The Savage Foundation
10
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:18:06 -
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I like the new changes to the windows, but some of the customization has also been removed, if there are good reasons it would be nice to know why. some of the things I think can help improve things further and restore some customization.
1: COLOR SCHEMES; Some of the options really need the contrast adjusted between the back ground colors and selected or highlighted options "darkmater" for instance, very hard to see selection or mouse over. while the "amar" has very good contrast. Some customization would be nice, like being able to pick the background from one group and header and selection colors form another.
2: PINNED WINDOWS; Separate the pinned windows and transparency, would be nice to pin a window with out affecting it in any other way, and being able to set transparency for individual windows would be nice.
3: ICONS; Icons in space are disappearing when they pass under the overview or other windows, same thing with the target rings, could you make these more visible when under windows. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
208
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:40:55 -
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Raymond Moons wrote:The manual piloting ability is a step in the right direction. I can't help feel though that the vertical axis should move with the ship. It may be my real world piloting experience that makes me feel this way but I also now REALLY want to be able to fly loops and other manoeuvres which sadly is still not yet possible. Please make this happen.
Also I play Eve on a 42" Plasma TV (I'm sitting quite close at about 3 feet) and I'm finding the new UI schemes all make my eyes hurt reading text. Can we not get any text adjustments? Size, brightness, even font?
Why would you want to fly a loop outside of an atmosphere. Being able to swing about in any direction while travelling along your original vector is what makes pretend space combat so cool.
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Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
141
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Posted - 2014.12.13 01:25:27 -
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Jennifer Spearshield wrote:Dear CCP Staff,
A new fade effect was introduced to the game with the Rhea expansion, that's making the whole Market Buy/Sell confirmation windows + Contract System's confirmation windows feel very sluggish: Every time a pop-up window appears, the entire background is darkened with a fade-to-grey effect.
Please either allow us to disable it entirely or at least make the fade-time at least two-three times faster.
Regards,
I have been buying and selling stuff today.. and seriously, That fade. MUST. DIE.
It's VERY annoying to need to wait for the fade effect if you are doing something that causes a lot of those popups. I just want the selection box immediately thanks, fancy effects that slow things down, are NOT welcome.
Also I, like many others, am completely unable to change any keybinds.
Return varied color to Gallente ships! not everything looks good in DARK GREEN!
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John WarpingSlow
WoHo Academy WO'S HO'S
26
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Posted - 2014.12.13 01:30:04 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:If you tremendously prefer the old icons, please explain why...
They didn't have the problems the current set does:
The meaning on many of the current icons isn't obviously linked to the idea they're attempting to convey.
You've chosen to go with mostly outline/shape as your primary method for people to recognize the icon, but you've lost picture texture, dimension, and color which also convey meaning and aid in recognition. Not everyone recognizes things the same way.
The lack of color and "flatness" doesn't match a game so rich in texture and color. In fact, this current set looks distinctly out of place in this environment, more appropriate for an old PDA like the PalmPilot or an office software suite.
The transparent background (which doesn't obey the transparency setting) washes them out even worse, sometimes making them non-viewable when in a bright environment in space.
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John WarpingSlow
WoHo Academy WO'S HO'S
26
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Posted - 2014.12.13 01:34:28 -
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Jennifer Spearshield wrote:Dear CCP Staff,
A new fade effect was introduced to the game with the Rhea expansion, that's making the whole Market Buy/Sell confirmation windows + Contract System's confirmation windows feel very sluggish: Every time a pop-up window appears, the entire background is darkened with a fade-to-grey effect.
Please either allow us to disable it entirely or at least make the fade-time at least two-three times faster.
Regards,
I'd like to note that the fade of the entire screen to draw focus to the modal window is visually .... discomforting.
It's not bad if it only happens once, but multiple times in succession makes me not want to look at the screen anymore.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
2637
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Posted - 2014.12.13 01:39:40 -
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Ok so after a few days adjusting the new UI colors and settings, I have to admit that overall I like it a lot.
BUT
As everybody's saying, that (often) annoying fade and brightness change effect REALLY needs to be optional.
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Jennifer Spearshield
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2014.12.13 01:43:37 -
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Eraza wrote: I have been buying and selling stuff today.. and seriously,
It's VERY annoying to need to wait for the fade effect if you are doing something that causes a lot of those popups. I just want the selection box immediately thanks, fancy effects that slow things down, are NOT welcome.
Also I, like many others, am completely unable to change any keybinds.
John WarpingSlow wrote: I'd like to note that the fade of the entire screen to draw focus to the modal window is visually .... discomforting.
It's not bad if it only happens once, but multiple times in succession makes me not want to look at the screen anymore.
Yup. As someone who's using the Market Sell/Buy + Contracts System all the time, it just feels like a big time waster. Click, wait for fade, Click. Click, wait for fade, Click. Click, wait for fade, Click. ... |
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BeanBagKing
Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred
311
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Posted - 2014.12.13 02:16:48 -
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For the Dark Matter color theme, it's very hard to tell what is selected in the overview. Can we get this tweeked a bit?
Example: http://i.imgur.com/altXdGq.png
I have the Medium Beam Laser about halfway down selected, it's nearly impossible to tell though.
My theme settings: http://i.imgur.com/bJ0bI32.png (you have a hard time telling Dark Matter is selected here too) |
Sal Goodman9
SG Capitals Blighted Legion
0
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Posted - 2014.12.13 04:00:48 -
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Love the patch, only complaint I have is the new see through windows. It is wayy too hard to read text with multiple windows open. Please let us change it back to non transparent!!! |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
813
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Posted - 2014.12.13 04:52:48 -
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I miss the market view icon on the sale gui. Meaning, I select an item to sell and the sell gui pops up. To get the current market view I have to do that on the item in the right click menu instead of quickly hitting the market icon on the sell gui. The modify order gui still has the market view icon on it thank goodness.
CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff
CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
668
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Posted - 2014.12.13 05:50:54 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:I miss the market view icon on the sale gui. Meaning, I select an item to sell and the sell gui pops up. To get the current market view I have to do that on the item in the right click menu instead of quickly hitting the market icon on the sell gui. It is still there, but for some reason CCP decided to hide the icon. If you click on the little green/red up/down percentage deviation thingamy, to the right of the price, it pops up the regional market display for the item.
I didn't mind so much when CCP quietly produced shoddy work and we just had to get on with adapting to it. I'm less impressed now that I have to endure their insufferable, amateurish hyping before having to adapt to the same shoddy standard of work. It makes a mockery of the preaching that CCP has been doing about UI design when newly introduced UI elements fail to meet even the most basic UI design standards and are not even consistent with other new UI elements. |
Julia Snoways
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.12.13 07:38:16 -
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Warning. Play EvE while it still breathing. Next "patch" like this one may inflict a fatal, terminal damage. |
Kazume Nakuo
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
16
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Posted - 2014.12.13 07:50:18 -
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My first thought when I saw most of the new amarr ships was "Wait, they were supposed to be golden??"
Phew, I'm glad my slicer has stayed somewhat un-shiny.
Too much gold for amarr (and shiny in general) for me - but that's just my personal opinion |
Mirage Solquist
Yttre Rymden AB
0
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Posted - 2014.12.13 08:39:55 -
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Overall I like the UI changes. I like the new icons better than the old ones. Even though they lack color, I find them more distinguishable. There is one thing that drives me nuts about the new icons, however. There appear to be two styles -- 1) one with a lighter gradient at the bottom and a dark border along the top and the left and 2) the other with a light gradient at the side. The ones with the light gradient at the side fit seamlessly together whereas the first type do not. When the first type of icon follows the second, it appears to be "crooked" (looks shifted a pixel to the right because that is where the gradient starts). When two of the second types show up together, they look like distinct buttons because of the dark border and discontinuity in the gradient.
The beta map is beautiful -- I like where that is going.
One thing that comes to mind looking at the UI is that I was really looking forward to seeing the guiding principle of "everything painted with light". I think the beta map is a great example of that. I also like the glow effect on the chat tabs -- I think that also has that feel of painted with light. The icons are closer to that than the previous icons (especially when you have the seamless second type of icons together); however, although I like them better, I think they fell short in this area. I think some of the UI and holographic images in the captains quarters and the ISIS UI are much better examples of that "painted with light" feel and would have liked to see the icons have a similar feel. |
Ceawlin Cobon-Han
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2014.12.13 09:54:07 -
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The new monochrome icons are truly awful. Colour helps distinguish between them in a big way, and removing it has diminished their utility. Bring back the colour. |
Daneau
Unconstrained Design
23
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Posted - 2014.12.13 12:16:48 -
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Having played a bit more with the GUI some more comments
Icons, probably a lot of the issue has to do with size, if you expand the neocom to max they are quite easy to see and differentiate, but if(like me) you keep it small in order to show all buttons(i am a sucker for putting buttons on it ...) they tend to be a lot harder to differentiate, one possible solution would be to allow people to add custom background colors to them, not so much for differentiation as for separation, ie you make one red and know which one, then you also know that the one above/below are, and so on.
Color presets, personally i have been able to find one or two of the darker that was about the same as i had them before(blur off transparancy 0), but regardless of which color preset i choose the o _ X in the upper right hand corner are invisible until i mouse over the window, and even then they are real hard to see making opening a window a liability since closing it quickly(without using keyboard shortcuts) becomes a game of putting the tail on the donkey while blindfolded, that is i have to run the mouse up to where i think the button is, wait for the popup to see that i hit the right one, and then press it.
Window fading/highlighting, as have been stated by quite a few posts before it does get to be a bit silly once you open up more than 1-2 windows and this being EvE who does not run around with more than that from time to time.
Also character selection screen seems to have a fixed color scheme regardless of which you choose.
From the perspective of someone who is getting into the age(46) where eyesight is no longer as sharp as it used to be the GUI has become slightly harder to use. Some contrasts are simply to weak to be easy discernible and some backgrounds tend to wash out the UI(old problem but one that has if not been made worse then at least still is as bad as before). It would be real nice if we could either get some way to set contrast ourselves, or at least a few presets where things like window edges/buttons are clearly visible without changing the actual color schemes.
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Worrff
Viziam Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2014.12.13 12:17:08 -
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Main thing is that the Dev's are keeping us informed of their thoughts and how they are going to fix this cr4p.
I mean, its only 4 days since their last response.
Thanks CCP for not keeping us in the dark. Awesome.
CCP Philosophy: If it works, break it. If itGÇÖs broken, leave it alone and break something else.
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Adrian Dixon
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction Immediate Destruction
155
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Posted - 2014.12.13 12:56:57 -
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I think CCP has done a fantastic job with this years updates progress has been very strong. I am really excited to think where EVE could be this time next year!
Physical based rendering and the new UI have both been the right move in my opinion. |
Embsi
Independence Laboratories Northern Associates.
22
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Posted - 2014.12.13 15:07:00 -
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Adrian Dixon wrote: Physical based rendering and the new UI have both been the right move in my opinion.
UI, maybe.. the icons need work... PBR.... not so much... 4K resolution see if you can spot the aliasing. It's not hard.
http://i.imgur.com/1GkyE9o.jpg
It's like it renders in 1:2 then up-scales it to 1:1 in order to save performance and it looks horrific.
Edit: No it's not zoomed at all. |
Muul Udonii
THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two
157
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Posted - 2014.12.13 15:55:36 -
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When you click on a flashing tab on your chat channels, all tabs stop flashing.
This should not happen. |
Kazume Nakuo
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
16
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Posted - 2014.12.13 17:39:11 -
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I got this graphics bug (?) I've never seen before. The black pixels around the sigs is what I'm pointing at (the chat windows I blurred myself obviously :P)
Anyone got a hint on how to get rid of these? |
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
145
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Posted - 2014.12.13 19:14:24 -
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Jennifer Spearshield wrote:Eraza wrote: I have been buying and selling stuff today.. and seriously,
It's VERY annoying to need to wait for the fade effect if you are doing something that causes a lot of those popups. I just want the selection box immediately thanks, fancy effects that slow things down, are NOT welcome.
Also I, like many others, am completely unable to change any keybinds.
John WarpingSlow wrote: I'd like to note that the fade of the entire screen to draw focus to the modal window is visually .... discomforting.
It's not bad if it only happens once, but multiple times in succession makes me not want to look at the screen anymore.
Yup. As someone who's using the Market Sell/Buy + Contracts System all the time, it just feels like a big time waster. Click, wait for fade, Click. Click, wait for fade, Click. Click, wait for fade, Click. ... Thinking about it, this seems like a case of the right hand not knowing what the left is doing. They say all of those icon changes are to make the interface faster, and simpler, And here in another place, we added an element that slows things down, but is very pretty. .. uh..
Return varied color to Gallente ships! not everything looks good in DARK GREEN!
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Rex Witsel
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
19
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Posted - 2014.12.13 21:22:28 -
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Turning down the brightness all the way actually makes gallente ships look decent. Needs work though... |
Blue Harrier
178
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Posted - 2014.12.13 22:51:30 -
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OK IGÇÖm colour blind so my results may differ from yours but these are my finding so far.
Depending on where in the house I wish to play Eve I have the use of 3 different systems.
My GÇÿnormalGÇÖ machine used for gaming and video editing is a reasonable fitted machine, AMD 6 Core, 3.5 with 8 GB DDR3 1866 and a Geforce GTX 760. This has a 1080P 16 * 9 monitor and on this Eve looks GÇÿOKGÇÖ it runs sort of GÇÿreasonableGÇÖ and the ships can look a bit GÇÿwashed outGÇÖ, the opened Windows when overlapped are difficult to distinguish and under GÇÿbleed throughGÇÖ can make reading top window text difficult.
My backup machine which has an older AMD quad core, an older GTX GPU (sorry canGÇÖt remember the number), 4 Gigs of slower memory and a 16 * 10 monitor runs Eve like a dream. The colours are excellent, the ships look, well like ships with vibrant colours and the smallest details show up just as they should. The overlapping windows are clear and precise, the top bars visible and even the little GÇô and x are easy to see.
My last system is a Dual Core laptop, 1366 * 768 (an older Dell) running Windows 8.1, now this little machine used to play Eve like the gaming machine above GÇÿOK ishGÇÖ but now, well the least said the better. The ships look like mud, and the overlapping windows are just a jumbled mushy mess. It is almost impossible to play on this machine now except to check stuff and adjust my skill queue.
So it seems the somewhat differing views of some players on how good or bad the new UI and game looks to them may be influenced by the system and monitor the game is actually playing on as well as the settings within the game. In case you are wondering both machines above are using the same settings, only the laptop has to use lower settings (mostly so the game will run). Why do my two machines differ, I have no idea other than the difference in the monitors, should I get time I might try swapping the monitors to see if the results change.
Anyway some food for thought.
"You wait - time passes, Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold." from The Hobbit on ZX Spectrum 1982.
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
36
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Posted - 2014.12.13 23:05:19 -
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I really like the Rhea changes. PBR looks totally awesome!
The monochrome icons are a bit... weird. Their shapes are definitively more distinguishable than before, but removing the color sort of nullified that improvement. (unless you're a colorblind person, I guess) Maybe add a little bit of color back in? |
Jim Parsons
EVE University Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2014.12.14 02:11:11 -
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The new UI is a disaster. Just try moving someone in a fleet now. Chances are you'll move the entire ******* squad! Players WILL die because of this. I'd actually call this a BUG but I'm sure it's "working as designed".
CCP, this is NOT Wildstar! Don't go down the same path! |
Harvister
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
7
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Posted - 2014.12.14 03:20:56 -
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any updates on the keybinding bug issue? |
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