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Sidious Lord	Posted - 2006.09.07 10:36:00 - [1] Hey guys, have the skills to move on to either Amarr or Minmatar BSs, was just wondering if anyone had any suggestions on the strengths of each and why i should pick one over the other immediately. Would be ratting, missioning and some PvPing.
Evelyn Lavi	Posted - 2006.09.07 10:43:00 - [2] I'm sorry to say that Amarr are so borked right now, that you may as well pick up a Tempest.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.09.07 10:49:00 - [3] Ignore the Amarr whiners who don't really know what they're talking about. For PvE, stick with Amarr. Minmatar are pretty bad at it. Not to say they can't do it, but they don't have either the tankability or the DPS to do it well. For PvP, it's much of a muchness. If you aren't flying Caldari or Gallente, you're sub par. That's not a whine, it's simple numbers. Originally by: D'Hofren The amazing boost amarr thread with it's amorphic elastic maths Scrapheap Challenge!
xlop Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.07 10:53:00 - [4] if you can use large t2 lasers then the gedden is nice, imo better than the tempest with large t2 guns but what do u want to use the ships for?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.07 10:53:00 - [5] For ratting and missions, easy mode is the Caldari Raven or the Gallente Dominix. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Grez Minmatar The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.09.07 10:53:00 - [6] Edited by: Grez on 07/09/2006 10:53:09 PVE, Apoc. PVP, Tempest (go watch a Damige video). _________________________ Corp: www.ravenwarriors.com Cache Clearer
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.07 12:31:00 - [7] For ratting, missions and some PvP: go amarr For mainly PvP: go minmatarr but you need to consider that minmatar training will take about 2 years to reach the level of the amarr after maybe 10 months. From Dusk till Dawn
Laythun Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.07 12:40:00 - [8] LIES. pulsegeddon 4tw! *See You In Space Cowboy*
Sidious Lord	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:01:00 - [9] Cheers for the stuff so far. Think I might go amarr and max out the gunnery skills then train up Minmatar later so i can use both and get my missile skills up. Would still like any more suggestions off any Minmatar pilots who think differently to this. If i do go the Amarr route, which BS will be best for PvE missions and ratting?
Dirt McGirtt	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:13:00 - [10] apoc :)
Laythun Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:18:00 - [11] Ok heres the trip. for pve 'missions' then the apoc. but for 0.0 ratting then a pulsed up geddon is fine. Also amarr is not easy race to fly, but its damn fun. Lastly u will have to train some missile skills to use all the amarr ships and some shield skills (if u want unorthadox setups) *See You In Space Cowboy*
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:20:00 - [12] Well you obviously like the idea of Amarr; otherwise you would have a different character. Personally IÆd stick with my race of choice and specialise, but that's just me ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.07 13:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Testy Mctest For PvE, stick with Amarr. Minmatar are pretty bad at it. Not to say they can't do it, but they don't have either the tankability or the DPS to do it well.. Testy, why don't you try ships other than missies out yourself before posting next time? Against Bloods And Sanshas, sure, Amarr 4tw. Against Serpentis they are ok. But against Guirsta and Angels with their lovely 70% average resistances vs lasers? Mhh..what about no? I'll take before amarr a minnie ship for these for NPCing any day. Actually I am doing that right now. Ratting angel BSs with a cyclone and doing just as good as I did with a proph vs sanshas. Being able to solo kill 3 * 1.55 mil spawns with a BC with ****ty skills isn't exactly what I would call "bad for NPCing".
Andreask14 Sensus Numinis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:19:00 - [14] If you go amarr, you get one good BS, the geddon, and you get the apoc, the worst BS in the game. If you go minny, you get one good BS, the phoon, and one awesome BS the tempest. UNless amarr get a major overhaul, you are better off with minny ships.
Laythun Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Testy Mctest For PvE, stick with Amarr. Minmatar are pretty bad at it. Not to say they can't do it, but they don't have either the tankability or the DPS to do it well.. Testy, why don't you try ships other than missies out yourself before posting next time? Against Bloods And Sanshas, sure, Amarr 4tw. Against Serpentis they are ok. But against Guirsta and Angels with their lovely 70% average resistances vs lasers? Mhh..what about no? I'll take before amarr a minnie ship for these for NPCing any day. Actually I am doing that right now. Ratting angel BSs with a cyclone and doing just as good as I did with a proph vs sanshas. Being able to solo kill 3 * 1.55 mil spawns with a BC with **ty skills isn't exactly what I would call "bad for NPCing". what do u expect muppet. for it to be easy against ALL npc's. u head of racial types, racial damage. dude gete a clue before u post ffs. The fact is, amarr tank better anyway, and further more minmatar use ammo. well handy when ur npcing for long periods. god damn stupid exclamation marks. See You In Space Cowboy**
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.07 14:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Laythun what do u expect muppet. for it to be easy against ALL npc's. u head of racial types, racial damage. dude gete a clue before u post ffs. Obviously I am not. Did I complain? I was just stating facts. Testy was sprouting the "for PVE amarr > all" nonsense. Quote: The fact is, amarr tank better anyway, and further more minmatar use ammo. well handy when ur npcing for long periods. Tank better? How exactly does an armortank of an arma differ to that one of an typhoon? The cap recharge on the arma is a whole 6% better which isn't really enough to counter the higher capuse through the guns. The only ship which tanks better is the apoc, but I'd rather kill rats faster than being able to tank them long. Time is money. And "tank better" is also only for rats which favour armortanks. Vs gurista and angels a shieldtank is better, so the tempest has a betetr standing power vs these rats. Ammo can be an issue. MY AC cyclone is eating it quite fast. But with the current 0.0 infrastructure it is not a major one, I just fly back to our POS and load full. Big deal. Can rat hours then.
Rehmes	Posted - 2006.09.07 15:44:00 - [17] Get a geddon, minmatar bs r nice but if ur amarian and fly a minnie ship u may be facing a trip to the gallows when u step into amarian airspace. So for ur sake fly geddon its got sick dmg and could still make a decent tank.
Dragerest Total Warehouse Logistics Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.07 16:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Testy Mctest For PvE, stick with Amarr. Minmatar are pretty bad at it. Not to say they can't do it, but they don't have either the tankability or the DPS to do it well.. Testy, why don't you try ships other than missies out yourself before posting next time? Against Bloods And Sanshas, sure, Amarr 4tw. Against Serpentis they are ok. But against Guirsta and Angels with their lovely 70% average resistances vs lasers? Mhh..what about no? I'll take before amarr a minnie ship for these for NPCing any day. Actually I am doing that right now. Ratting angel BSs with a cyclone and doing just as good as I did with a proph vs sanshas. Being able to solo kill 3 * 1.55 mil spawns with a BC with ****ty skills isn't exactly what I would call "bad for NPCing". Aramendel: thats not true about guirstas. i fly a geddon with mega pulse and they die fast enough. and when i add drones to the mix.. just faster. the only problem i have is getting in range. once in range bye bye BS. and i'm not even using t2 guns yet. and tanking.. only gets risky when i have 3 1.55m and i'm 50km out. ________________________________________________________ nerf WCS
Shirazz	Posted - 2006.09.07 16:49:00 - [19] Drag, if you can do that id sure like to know how. I can only just do lvl 3 guirstas missions in my Geddon, lvl 4 seems a joke. What kind of a setup have you got?
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.07 16:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Testy Mctest Ignore the Amarr whiners who don't really know what they're talking about. Is this opinion based on your friends again Testy? Recruitment
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2006.09.07 17:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Testy Mctest Ignore the Amarr whiners who don't really know what they're talking about. Is this opinion based on your friends again Testy? Well one thing is sure: Ammar whine about stuff they dont have a clue about, while they keep telling that people that fly other races shouldnt discus ammar. They use RL physics for balance and think everyone flies around with 3X EAN2 and a damagecontrol. Yeh right lol.. _________________________________________________
Dragon Slave Gallente Gallente Federal Bank	Posted - 2006.09.07 17:06:00 - [22] We don't know for sure yet, but the upcoming Maelstrom might easily be the next "I win PvE!"-button with it's massive tank
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2006.09.07 17:14:00 - [23] Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 07/09/2006 17:14:34 Originally by: Dragon Slave We don't know for sure yet, but the upcoming Maelstrom might easily be the next "I win PvE!"-button with it's massive tank Nah, it still won't beat the Raven since it can't fully change its damage type (i.e. damage is always spread across 2-3 damage types) and has tracking issues. Besides, in PvE theres not that much that really tests your tank.
Ather Ialeas Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.07 17:14:00 - [24] Originally by: Andreask14 If you go amarr, you get one good BS, the geddon, and you get the apoc, the worst BS in the game. If you go minny, you get one good BS, the phoon, and one awesome BS the tempest. UNless amarr get a major overhaul, you are better off with minny ships. Phoon is actually totally awesome, just fit lows full of nanos, 100MN MWD and a few cap injectors and you're all set for some wtfbbq. Why? Because Nanophoon can orbit the target while moving at about 2,7km/s and as we know, especially those Raven pilots may find such speed unpleasant to fight against since the missiles just won't hit. Thanks to Phoon's fantastic triple weapon system layout you can also deal a very wide variety of damage types (all of them actually at the same time) and since you don't have a huge tank to worry about, you can go for full DPS. Or jam&drain. The only thing scarier than Nanophoon is hulltanking Megathron (about 35k effective hull hp:s).
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.07 18:33:00 - [25] Originally by: Dragerest Aramendel: thats not true about guirstas. i fly a geddon with mega pulse and they die fast enough. and when i add drones to the mix.. just faster. the only problem i have is getting in range. once in range bye bye BS. and i'm not even using t2 guns yet. and tanking.. only gets risky when i have 3 1.55m and i'm 50km out. Good, and now try it in a prophecy. Of cource you can rat with every BS, the thing how effeciently you are compared to the other BSs. As said, I can rat 3 * 1.55 mil angel spawns without problems with a cyclone (with lvl 3 in the ship & gunskills nontheless). Killing NPC BSs in 0.0 is not particulary difficult. You need your - sustainable - tank to work and you need to put in enough dps to break the NPC tank. Now, if you encounter resistances of 70% and someone else gets 50%, who does more dps? The arma is a nice dps ship, but it does not have 50% more dps than the raven or typhoon. This makes it for guristas and angels simply one of the least effective BSs. Originally by: madaluap Well one thing is sure: Ammar whine about stuff they dont have a clue about, while they keep telling that people that fly other races shouldnt discus ammar. They use RL physics for balance and think everyone flies around with 3X EAN2 and a damagecontrol. Yeh right lol.. Learn to spell "Amarr" Nice generalisations though. So, does this mean that every gallente is only writing troll posts?
Bluestealth Minmatar Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.09.07 19:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Testy Mctest For PvE, stick with Amarr. Minmatar are pretty bad at it. Not to say they can't do it, but they don't have either the tankability or the DPS to do it well. You do once you get BS5, Energy Op/Mang to 5, armor tanking skills to 5, drone skills to 4-5, missle skills to 4-5, tech2 projectiles to lvl 4, ummm.... yeah go amarr if PvE , I always wonder why people ***** about not having enough cap/damage with my Tempest setup though(they say something like "OMG, I AM GOING TO DIE"), then I just remember that they are too lazy to invest in cap/BS skills. PvE is boring anyways(used to be more fun :(, I remember fighting angels and riding the edge of structure, woot!), PvP is much more fun.
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.07 19:24:00 - [27] Gankageddon is a terror on the battlefield. Anyone who tells you differently does not know how to properly fit/use it. Apocalypse has huge tanking potential. Also the Nospocalypse is great for support. The phoon and tempest however are ghastly for PvP as well. All I can speak for is PvP since I don't do anything else, but between minmatar and amarr for PvP I'd go minmatar. ===============================================
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.07 19:58:00 - [28] small, quick, and short answer: go both. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.07 20:03:00 - [29] Edited by: xeom on 07/09/2006 20:03:42 Originally by: Ather Ialeas Originally by: Andreask14 If you go amarr, you get one good BS, the geddon, and you get the apoc, the worst BS in the game. If you go minny, you get one good BS, the phoon, and one awesome BS the tempest. UNless amarr get a major overhaul, you are better off with minny ships. Phoon is actually totally awesome, just fit lows full of nanos, 100MN MWD and a few cap injectors and you're all set for some wtfbbq. Why? Because Nanophoon can orbit the target while moving at about 2,7km/s and as we know, especially those Raven pilots may find such speed unpleasant to fight against since the missiles just won't hit. Thanks to Phoon's fantastic triple weapon system layout you can also deal a very wide variety of damage types (all of them actually at the same time) and since you don't have a huge tank to worry about, you can go for full DPS. Or jam&drain. The only thing scarier than Nanophoon is hulltanking Megathron (about 35k effective hull hp:s). You forgot the snake implants.Max speed is like 1900m/s with out them.And while orbiting would probably get down to 800. Don't talk about thinks you don't know,Just because you saw it in a video. --- CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.07 20:23:00 - [30] Originally by: madaluap Well one thing is sure: Ammar whine about stuff they don't have a clue about, while they keep telling that people that fly other races shouldnt discus ammar. They use RL physics for balance and think everyone flies around with 3X EAN2 and a damagecontrol. Yeh right lol.. I'm against all forms of comparisments with rl. Also, Amarrians whine about stuff 'they' don't have a clue about....like flying their own ships? Anyhow, I observed testy in an earlier debate about the issue and he started of by saying 'I have lots of experience, I have a well known main' then finished of his argument with 'my mate flies Amarr and he says its so' Because of it, I thought his comment in this thread were abit arrogant and unnecessary. And, in order to preserve his self apointed title as sage he should avoid all threads regarding Amarr. Recruitment

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