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Svana Shaishi
Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:38:10 -
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Combat Recons will now be permanently undetectable by directional scanners This looks like a ton of fun for us to play with in WHs.
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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
133
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:38:29 -
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The Dscan thingy completely breaks wormhole risk/reward. C1-C3 will be a wasteland |
Lorac Gemini
Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:38:40 -
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Levina Windstar wrote:I like the undetectable feature but I think this will be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too OP in WH.
CCP plz... think about WH too! :/
As a wormholer, I think this is amazing. But I guess WH carebears would hate this. |
RTSAvalanche
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:40:06 -
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Vadeim Rizen wrote:this is so hilariously OP. inb4 recon nerf.
ratters now can't even just keep an eye on d-scan and warp out before someone comes in to tackle.... nobody will be able to detect a covert ops cyno at all unless randomly using combat probes... tbh all they needed was a hitpoint and cap buff.
can't wait to sit in a medium plex with an insta-lock arty rapier and blap unsuspecting frigs.
+1
I agree, sir. |
Ix Method
Shadows Legion High-Sec Tomfoolery
353
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:40:10 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Combat Recons will now be permanently undetectable by directional scanners There's going to be some whining. There's going to be some tears.
Please, hold fast, it'll be exactly as glorious as you imagined in your head.
And yeah the slots are all over the place, what the ****?
Travelling at the speed of love.
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Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
79
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:40:38 -
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Marcel Devereux wrote:The Huginn also only has 14 slots. Huginn has 6H right now, so the -1 in the op should presumably put it at 5H instead. |
Ben Nickfen
Drone Orphanage Ethical Carnage
0
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:40:42 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:Pilgrim without its neut amount bonus? One word: Ugh.
If you absolutely must put a range bonus on it, make it a small one and keep the amount one. Don't neuter the thing it was good at. With this change it's just a weak Curse with a cloak. Which isn't all that big a ~thing~ with the whole "invisible to d-scan" bonus that you want to give to combat recons. With these changes there'd be even fewer reasons to fly a Pilgrim than there are right now.
I have to agree with Morwen here I personal was thinking of getting a Pilgrim but now seeing there going to possibility of them losing the neut amount bonus i really can't see a reason to use it now |
ale rico
Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:40:50 -
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Vadeim Rizen wrote:this is so hilariously OP. inb4 recon nerf.
ratters now can't even just keep an eye on d-scan and warp out before someone comes in to tackle.... nobody will be able to detect a covert ops cyno at all unless randomly using combat probes... tbh all they needed was a hitpoint and cap buff.
can't wait to sit in a medium plex with an insta-lock arty rapier and blap unsuspecting frigs.
Since when do Combat Recons use covert cynos? Cloaky (force recons) are still d-scannable. |
Malcoreh Vakarhn
Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective
16
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:41:27 -
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As a wormholer, my god, I'm so hard.... |
Thomas Markov
Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:41:58 -
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I think every non-carebear wormholer can agree that this is the greatest thing since tech 3 cruisers. |
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Sobic
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:42:00 -
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The recons badly needed the cap changes, and some layout/bonus tweaks.
But the D-scan immune is completely OP, and honestly will just reduce engagements as lower grade WH's will be completely abandoned. I was like "Cool idea", but then my brain started to actually function. |
Grm Makentor
Oruze Cruise
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:42:20 -
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>dscan immune ships with covops cloaks in w-space jesus christ what were they thinking, so mandatory scouting alts on every hole now? |
Faren Shalni
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:42:49 -
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Vadeim Rizen wrote:this is so hilariously OP. inb4 recon nerf.
ratters now can't even just keep an eye on d-scan and warp out before someone comes in to tackle.... nobody will be able to detect a covert ops cyno at all unless randomly using combat probes... tbh all they needed was a hitpoint and cap buff.
can't wait to sit in a medium plex with an insta-lock arty rapier and blap unsuspecting frigs.
the combat recons get the dscan bonus the force recons dont
So Much Space
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Sobic
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:43:17 -
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Ben Nickfen wrote:Morwen Lagann wrote:Pilgrim without its neut amount bonus? One word: Ugh.
If you absolutely must put a range bonus on it, make it a small one and keep the amount one. Don't neuter the thing it was good at. With this change it's just a weak Curse with a cloak. Which isn't all that big a ~thing~ with the whole "invisible to d-scan" bonus that you want to give to combat recons. With these changes there'd be even fewer reasons to fly a Pilgrim than there are right now. I have to agree with Morwen here I personal was thinking of getting a Pilgrim but now seeing there going to possibility of them losing the neut amount bonus i really can't see a reason to use it now
As a blops dropper. The range is a huge help when you can stay out of web/scram range. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
3037
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:43:45 -
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searches assets for pilgrim -> happy face
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
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Nys Cron
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
47
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:43:48 -
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Ross Sylibus wrote:I don't see how this doesn't make WH space completely unlivable for most of EVE. This just makes wspace more awesome. |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
6673
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:43:54 -
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Out of all these changes, the only one I feel kind of =/ about is the switch from neut amount to neut range for the Pilgrim. If you're going to do that, can you please give it one more high slot so that you can fit 3x neuts, cloak, and probe launcher? Right now you can get away with 2x neuts, cloak, and probe launcher, but without that amount bonus, two medium neuts are going to be pretty wimpy.
I'd also appreciate the Rook getting a 100 PWG increase so you can cram on a 1600 plate and still have the fitting for missiles.
The directional scan changes...wow, as a wormholer, that is absolutely massive. I do agree with some people that it might be a bit too powerful, but I'd like to see it attempted, its a really interesting new feature to the class. However, I think that perhaps they should be detectable at under 1 AU range or some other such balance change.
Fear and Loathing in Internet Spaceships
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Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
397
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:44:04 -
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Airi Cho wrote:Marcel Devereux wrote:Querns wrote:CCP Rise wrote: CURSE
Role Bonus: Cannot be detected by directional scanners
Amarr Cruiser Bonuses: 7.5% bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness 10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damagere
Recon Ships Bonuses: 40% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer range 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount
Slot layout: 5H, 6M, 5L; 2 turrets, 4 launchers Fittings: 900 PWG, 380 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1650(-187) / 1650 / 1075(+203) Capacitor (amount / capacitor per second) : 1470(+220) / 4.46/s (+.83) Mobility (max velocity / agility / align time): 205(+30) / .61(-.04) / 9.99s(-.66s) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 150 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 130km / 281 / 10 Sensor strength: 28 Radar Signature radius: 150
Is the Curse supposed to have that much in the way of raw shields? And don't forget to ask about the 2 EXTRA SLOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! It had 4 before not 3. so it is just one extra low.
Not it has 1 more than all the other combat recons. Drones boats are suppose to have 1 less. So that is 2 extra slots that it gets.
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Levina Windstar
Mekalon Industry
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:45:16 -
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Lorac Gemini wrote:Levina Windstar wrote:I like the undetectable feature but I think this will be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too OP in WH.
CCP plz... think about WH too! :/ As a wormholer, I think this is amazing. But I guess WH carebears would hate this.
I think it's an amazing idea too, but you have to understand that most corp in WH are small corp and it's another kick in the ass for them (for us). We are not carebear at all but if this **** happens, we will seriously think of leaving WH for good.
I mean cmon... can't you see this is way too OP in WH space? I get it in K-Space but balance must be made in W-Space |
Grm Makentor
Oruze Cruise
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:45:29 -
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Nys Cron wrote:Ross Sylibus wrote:I don't see how this doesn't make WH space completely unlivable for most of EVE. This just makes wspace more awesome. if by awesome you mean completely devoid of pve and therefore pvp, then party on mate
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Joni Hariere
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:46:03 -
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No no no no and no
Destroys lowsec/fw/solo , as it's harder every day i dont think we soloist deserve **** this big slapped into face.
Like RTSAvalanche said, d-scan is pretty much all we have..dont take it away. |
Athonis
Lazerhawks
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:46:20 -
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As a wormholer, this is hilariously fun sounding, but as a former FW pilot all I have to say is RIP FW space.
No one is going to combat probe every medium plex they come across so they dont have to worry about 3 rooks and a huginn dunking theirr bunghole in. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
875
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:46:22 -
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Canenald wrote:Please also make Huginn a missile boat. It's a Bellicose hull after all. That or change the hull to Stabber or Rupture.
Have to say seems like rapier and huginn are the wrong way around for weapons - rapier should be projectiles (with arty feasible) and huginn the missile boat. (Would have rather seen an extra low slot on the rapier as its typically armor tanked and extra mid on the huginn as its typically shield tanked).
As for dscan invisibility with combat recons I'd like to see how this actually works out on a trial basis with the flexibility to revisit the decision at a later date (6 weeks for next patch) as I can see both positives and negatives. |
Faren Shalni
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
84
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:46:35 -
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Levina Windstar wrote:Lorac Gemini wrote:Levina Windstar wrote:I like the undetectable feature but I think this will be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too OP in WH.
CCP plz... think about WH too! :/ As a wormholer, I think this is amazing. But I guess WH carebears would hate this. I think it's an amazing idea too, but you have to understand that most corp in WH are small corp and it's another kick in the ass for them (for us). We are not carebear at all but if this **** happens, we will seriously think of leaving WH for good. I mean cmon... can't you see this is way too OP in WH space? I get it in K-Space but balance must be made in W-Space
CCP doesn't care for w-space...............
So Much Space
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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
136
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:46:35 -
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Nys Cron wrote:Ross Sylibus wrote:I don't see how this doesn't make WH space completely unlivable for most of EVE. This just makes wspace more awesome.
For those who would make their isk in closed-up holes, maybe.
You will see a huge drop in activity in C1-C3 space, can't really be a good thing ... |
Sokor Loro
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
73
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:47:15 -
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Diivil wrote:Combat recons should at least show up in dscan if you are on the same grid with them. Majority of Eve use dscan tools and it would be extremely frustrating to not be able to copy a certain ship type from dscan list when you can clearly see it in your own overview.
"Hey guys here's the DSCAN link, also because i'm not a blind mongoloid and can count they have 10 huginns, cool." |
Vadeim Rizen
Doughboys Snuffed Out
99
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:47:36 -
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Faren Shalni wrote:Vadeim Rizen wrote:this is so hilariously OP. inb4 recon nerf.
ratters now can't even just keep an eye on d-scan and warp out before someone comes in to tackle.... nobody will be able to detect a covert ops cyno at all unless randomly using combat probes... tbh all they needed was a hitpoint and cap buff.
can't wait to sit in a medium plex with an insta-lock arty rapier and blap unsuspecting frigs. the combat recons get the dscan bonus the force recons dont
I didn't say anything about combat recons lighting cynos |
Minaro Shina
off course Hole Control
5
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:48:00 -
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well .. we got 20 days of dual training...
... with which we can train our now mandatory combat-probing alt because dscan isn't reliable anymore. |
Hardcore Nightmare
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:48:05 -
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New 100% imba.
CURSE Back in business.
Also the arazu will be obligatory in any roam. |
Petrus Blackshell
Scrap Metal Squadron
3229
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Posted - 2014.12.18 15:48:33 -
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CCP Rise wrote: Combat Recons will now be permanently undetectable by directional scanners
While I appreciate the gumption it takes to propose such a change, it is completely out of whack with everything else in the game, and I believe will be seriously overpowered, especially combined with the now tankier and more combat-capable combat recons.
Until now, the only non-dscannable threat was covert-ops ships. All of these (with some few exceptions like the Stratios) are mostly utility ships with poor combat ability. They are now being joined by combat recons, which were already dangerous enough before their combat ability buff. They can singlehandedly turn the tide of fights, which means that the best defense against them is forewarning and information -- a defense that is not available anymore.
I fear that this change will cause combat recons to enter the "Because of Falcon" role of ship that is used as an "ace up your sleeve" to remove any chance of losing a fight. At least the Falcon contribute damage itself, and cannot tank very well. These new combat recons can do both of those. That ability will not be used for good fights.
Being unscannable is a ship ability that is too powerful to be a passive "role bonus". If anything, it should be a cloak-like module that requires a serious trade-off to fit, which can serve as a counter-balance for the extra tactical ability it grants a ship -- in the same way that fitting a cloak gimps a fit. Giving it as a raw role bonus to ships that have extremely powerful ewar, and now good tank and damage, is just too much.
The changes to Force Recons are good, though. I like them.
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
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