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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:00:00 -
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Game Time Code Rules
Because of the high number of ETC scams we get in our queues we making a few rules to make ETC trading more secure. If you do not follow the rules below you may not be eligible for reimbursement if you fall victim to an ETC scam.
- Do not trade with anyone that has not been in the games for at least 15 days. Before trading check the playerÆs employment history. If he was created in the last 2 weeks then call the deal off.
- When you have agreed on a price, both parties will send an ingame EVEmail to one another where they will list.
* The number of codes being sold. * The type of codes (30 day, 50 day etc.) * The agreed upon price.
- For example if you are buying/selling 2 x 30 day code for 150 million each both parties will send a message something like this: ôSelling/buying two thirty day codes for 300 million ISKö.
- When both parties have sent an EVEmail the buyer will send his ISK. In the comment field he will enter what exactly heÆs paying for. The number of codes and their types. In the above example he would enter ô2 x 30 day ETCö.
- When the ISK has been received the seller will send the codes in an EVEmail.
- If you are scammed then file a petition in the Exploit category as soon as possible. Include a link to the forum auction.
If you don't follow the above rules you may not be eligible for reimbursement!
Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online
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Chrisb6122
Gallente Slaves to humanity
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:02:00 -
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Sounds good
sticky?
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Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:24:00 -
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Sounds like sensible precautions.
It's a shame you can't see people on trial accounts, then you could ask people not to deal with them.
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Tropa
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:27:00 -
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Thank you CCP
Perhaps if this was posted as a news item it may receive more visibility?
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Pestillence Sounds like sensible precautions.
It's a shame you can't see people on trial accounts, then you could ask people not to deal with them.
If you check employment history in game, and the person is less than 15 days old, he is likely a trial account, or at least a very new account or alt. In either case, you shouldn't trust him.
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Scarh Juna
Amarr The FOC
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:31:00 -
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Good to see something being done
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Ellen Firestar
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.09.10 19:07:00 -
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GJ guys, a good boost to player morale seeing that you guys put effort into this.
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2006.09.10 20:52:00 -
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Hurray! ...Was starting to think about spending all my dope on gtc before you would disallow it because of all thet scammers but now I suppose I'll be happily playing along while fishing for a new job.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2006.09.10 21:36:00 -
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Well it's about time.
Maybe now players will be more careful when buying time codes rather than sending off their ISK and "CCP will return it if its scam" attitude.
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Veroon Coch
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Posted - 2006.09.10 22:59:00 -
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Looking at the number of new (less than 1 day) players posting GTC for ISK threads, would it be possible for the MODs and GMs to do a bit of account pruning?
Another option may be for posting in the SELL forum to be restricted to full accounts!
(And yes I'm on a trial account myself)
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Audrea
Widowmakers Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2006.09.11 05:05:00 -
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What if I would require the seller to change the order of things? I mean, first he sends me the code, I verify it, then send cash.
Would the seller still be covered by CCP protection in such order of transaction as well by the new rules? ------------------ Tired of fleet combat lag? -Post HERE
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Grenouille
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Posted - 2006.09.11 07:23:00 -
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hello. there is a person on the sell forums here, that sais she or he sels GTC. ingame the "characters" are 1 day old. it is the same person as i checked the bad english that he or she speaks. wouldnt it be better to prohibit the selling of GTC of characters less than 15 days? so i personally will check the sellers and post that they are scammers. after my oppinion all the characters less than 15 days are scammers.
please tell me what u think.
with respect, Grenouille.
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Grenouille
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:52:00 -
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hey chieftain, is there a way to track their ip (scammers)? i know that there is :) . come on let't do somethinga bout this. you are doing a great work blocking the threads. i like that. we can kick em hard with no return if u can track their ip's. at least for a while. hope they don't have dinamic IP's.
cheers and with respect, Grenouille.
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Sharon Velerii
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:31:00 -
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Why reason in payment should't be enough? You need to send mail to everyone and wait for their. I think Payment with reason, and evemail with the codes should be enough why are we complicating so much? Anyway, only 5% of people will do it like you say.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.09.11 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Veroon Coch Looking at the number of new (less than 1 day) players posting GTC for ISK threads, would it be possible for the MODs and GMs to do a bit of account pruning?
We go through the forums a few times every day, and remove a lot of those threads.
Originally by: Audrea What if I would require the seller to change the order of things? I mean, first he sends me the code, I verify it, then send cash.
Would the seller still be covered by CCP protection in such order of transaction as well by the new rules?
Probably because it's easier to deal with people who lost ISK to a scammer than people who lost a GTC to a scammer. I don't know if you would be protected, I doubt it. Either way, it's better to do it the "old" way.
Originally by: Grenouille hello. there is a person on the sell forums here, that sais she or he sels GTC. ingame the "characters" are 1 day old. it is the same person as i checked the bad english that he or she speaks. wouldnt it be better to prohibit the selling of GTC of characters less than 15 days? so i personally will check the sellers and post that they are scammers. after my oppinion all the characters less than 15 days are scammers.
A character younger than 15 days isn't necessarily a scammer and a character above 15 days might still be a scammer. But making sure the person you buy of is older than 15 days ensures it's a real account and not a trial account, which increases security a bit. These rules are not a complete solution, but they do help a lot in decreasing scams and catching scammers.
Originally by: Grenouille hey chieftain, is there a way to track their ip (scammers)? i know that there is :) . come on let't do somethinga bout this. you are doing a great work blocking the threads. i like that. we can kick em hard with no return if u can track their ip's. at least for a while. hope they don't have dinamic IP's.
We deal with scammers as we catch them, and as I said, these rules will help us catch them.
Originally by: Sharon Velerii Why reason in payment should't be enough? You need to send mail to everyone and wait for their. I think Payment with reason, and evemail with the codes should be enough why are we complicating so much? Anyway, only 5% of people will do it like you say.
The more we have to go by, the better it is. I seriously doubt people are willing to lose their hard earned ISK by being too lazy to follow these simple steps. But if they are, I guess they will risk not being reimbursed.
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Sharon Velerii
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Posted - 2006.09.11 18:51:00 -
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There should be a way of checking the code without useing it. Imagine that you bought code for isk and you are going to vacation for 2 weeks. And after you return you find out that your code doesnt work, and you have blocked account. So the only way will be to pay for the code with the money you doesnt have in real.
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groove
Gallente Sector 7
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Posted - 2006.09.11 21:11:00 -
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i bought a 50 day gtc from a char and i didnt follow the rules. and he scammed me :( can he get away with that or will he be banned or something ???
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Phearless Leader
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Posted - 2006.09.11 21:31:00 -
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Actually, I think it'd be great if I could "lock" an ETC. A locked GTC couldn't be used without a password, but could be verified as working. Additionally, given an ETC and its password, one should be able to change the password.
At that point, ETC selling becomes truly secure; the only way to scam is for the scammer to either: a) get ISK and not give the correct password/not give a password at all a.1: Most scammers, as I understand it, get isk, transfer it around, and log off, and would never have a working GTC to give in the first place. a.2: Since there is an actual GTC in play, that GTC traces back to someone's actual hard currency. b) have multiple people testing the GTC simultaneously b.1: So make testing a GTC something that you have to do while logged in, and for five minutes after, only you can use it. Limit it to five tests/day/account so that you can't deprive a seller of their ETC by continuously testing it.
This also opens up the field of GTC resale, which was previously a logistical nightmare. Needless to say, I--and, I suspect, many others--would be very interested in entering that field.
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Blind Man
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.11 23:07:00 -
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great to see this, hopefully this means GTC sales are here to stay :)
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.12 00:42:00 -
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Is it still ok to buy them if the person advertises in an in-game trade channel? All those rules would be followed, except there would be no link to the forum post.
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GM Fate
Minmatar Game Masters
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Posted - 2006.09.12 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: groove i bought a 50 day gtc from a char and i didnt follow the rules. and he scammed me :( can he get away with that or will he be banned or something ???
Report it. We will keep permanently banning everyone found guilty of ETC scamming.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.12 11:08:00 -
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Does that mean that we finally get a seperated forum for GTC/char sales?
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Archo X
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.12 16:18:00 -
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Any chance we could just do away with GTC sales?
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Ceratin
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.12 16:29:00 -
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Can we get this posted in the game news so everyone definatly reads it? Or at least a warning that its going on |
Talthrus
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.12 17:35:00 -
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Could a similar set of rules be established for character transfers? ----------------------
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Paerist
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Posted - 2006.09.12 23:23:00 -
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god.
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Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.13 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Paerist sucks to be me
Indeed
Go GM's \o/
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Tanner Mirabel
Minmatar Universal Exports
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Posted - 2006.09.13 14:28:00 -
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its a pity there can't be an in game mechanism where sellers can do a kind of GTC escrow which only accepts valid codes so people can buy them without risk. It might also help to stop every other thread in the sell order forum being from GTC sellers
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DOGNOSH
Minmatar SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2006.09.13 14:55:00 -
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i already do a contract for my buyers,which i haven't used all the time but will do from now on
p.s. notice to sellers i also keep note of my previous threads i sold in to post their link in new thread, to try to re assure buyers and i always use my main not alt
wrangler : one thing i have in my contracts, which also helps us sellers, is i insist the code to be used immediately,that way seller has peace of mind that it won't come back and bite him in the arse,and issues can be resolved immediately(one buyer called me a scammer,he quickly doubled backed when he realised he put in a Q instead of O )
mmmm pink Eris will approve - Xorus Xorus has been webbified - DOGNOSH
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Yggdrassil
Amarrian Missionaires
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Posted - 2006.09.14 11:42:00 -
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Don't know wether that is possible at all - but...
Is it an option to quite simply limit where in the forums trial accounts are allowed to CREATE topics? Also limit their abilities to reply in some categories.
In sell forum, I really don't see the need for a 14 day old trial account user to create topics at all.
In ship/general discussion - they should be able to create as many topics as they want.
In corporation and alliance forum - they should not be allowed neither to create topic nor reply to topics.
I'm sure there are other forums too that might need limited access.
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