Tried to do incursions, but it seems like you have to know the right people to be able to get in on one.


I just feel what the game is lacking is content that allows a two player group to go out and do something together.



Missions get repetitive and as your skills increase to easy.
Incursions require a large group.
Complexes can take rather a long time to scan down and often have little or no reward, and you really don't need a friend to help.
The escalation missions were interesting, but they come along so seldom they are not the kind of thing you can just call up your friend and go do one.
PvP although somewhat interesting, is not really my thing.
I asked around about faction war but no one seems to do much with it, or understand the point of it.
I did the epic arc thing a while back and it was long and slow, and the reward at the end was rather a joke. IMHO


Please don't feel I am bashing EVE. I just wish there was more two player content. Something that I can call over my friend's house and say "hay, lets hop on EVE and do .... .... for an hour." And feel like we accomplished something.

I looked into WH and have stuck my nose into a few just to look around, but how are me, and my buddy, supposed to log on with only an hour or two to play, scan down all the WH we need, dodge PvP'ers and still have time to do a site?

You make a good point about the high sec vicious cycle. I suppose it makes sense that the game makers focus on content for advanced players. I'm just offering some feed back that perhaps its time to relook at some upper end high sec content. Would it be so bad if , once a week, you could go to you faction home word and get a mission that requires two players and at the end of the missions you get a choice of a cool piece of gear (not a lame ass scanner probe) or a bunch of L.P. Would that really break the game?

You make a good point about the high sec vicious cycle. I suppose it makes sense that the game makers focus on content for advanced players. I'm just offering some feed back that perhaps its time to relook at some upper end high sec content. Would it be so bad if , once a week, you could go to you faction home word and get a mission that requires two players and at the end of the missions you get a choice of a cool piece of gear (not a lame ass scanner probe) or a bunch of L.P. Would that really break the game?

Get a few more friends, try and run normal l4s in frigates (use logi frigs). Or the other suggestions in this thread.

l4 are boring w or w/o friend they ware designed when ppl still used analog phones they are not meant to be done over and over again despite that being their only function in game...farming.

so missions are pretty much dead end in your fun to time ratio you can try incursions and rly give it a try it is whole different ballpark and will keep you and your friend occupied for a n amount of time.

income is also high and constant that you will start thinking of doing other stuff like camping gates in low sec killing unfortunate sobs and blobbing ppl 10 to 1 like all this forum pro pvp ers here.

but what you truly looking for as in dynamic and evolving game pvp or pve you will not find atm you have blue sec that is drowning it its own poo and garbage pvp everywhere else.

and until devs recognize that in order to have a good car polishing windshield is not only thing you need to do it will chug along that way.

What about doing lv4 using destroyers? Should add a bit of challenge...

Can confirm this is a lot of fun, we even did a level 5 once with 40 or so T1 frigs. :)

'Lack' is likely to strong a word, but in the context of looking for something my buddy and myself can do in an hour, and feel like we accomplished something it is fairly accurate.

There are those who will cry "Eve is not for instant gratification", however, there are the days when I also am time- constrained and feel there should be more to do with a tighter time budget.

In null you do a few jumps, scan around and if there's a site... you'll never have it done within the time. so, with not enough time, not much point to try to PVE in Null.

It's not that level 4 missions are easy to do, it's the fact that they are a known quantity. that we know who the triggers are and what ships will appear where and at what distance, we know what ammo to shoot at them and how to harden our ships for every given mission.

Simply to make them harder will only raise the bar to entry but won't stop us from running them over and over and over again once we have adapted.

The way to go is to make them unpredictable, so we can't go to the eve survival site to see how a mission is done!

1) Add random events into the missions that can't be predicted (hence the random)

2) Add triggers into the missions dependent on the size of the fleet doing the mission to increase the overall difficulty + rewards to the fleet making group work worthwhile.

3) Add variants to the established missions to catch out players not paying attention to detail

These are just a few ideas that could be implemented that would make level 4 missions more challenging without simply making the rats harder.

He's not missioning in 0.0, he just lives there and goes to high sec to mission with friends occasionally.

L5s to high sec would be neat.

No. Just no. The goal is to get people out of high sec and experience the game.

I've never understood the desire to dictate other people's gameplay experience. If you just like killing NPCs, or if you don't have the time to get a proper null/wh setup going, I don't believe you should be restricted to incredibly boring content, especially when there is virtually unused content currently in the game that could be very slightly modified to help remedy the situation.

As far as doing L4s in frigates and such, shipping down to make content harder goes directly against character progression. I for one have done L4s in all sorts of weird setups/ships, but I'd like to take my best setups against stuff that would be a challenge without having to mash the d-scan button.

The reason that there is a lack of serious missioning content in Empire is because CCP wants plays to progress to 0.0 and experience everything that the game has to offer. Running missions in empire all day long and only doing that is doing yourself a disservice due to missing out on the game as a whole.

No. Just no. The goal is to get people out of high sec and experience the game.

just for people like you I love, absolutely love saying f*ck nullsec, let me make a **** ton of isk in my incursions. a **** ton pvpers dream of having. you want to force me into null? been there. boring. wormholes? been there a year, boring then.
Incursions? been there nearly... 3 years?, still a lot of fun every evening.

No. Just no. The goal is to get people out of high sec and experience the game.

That's the mistake. The goal is to have fun playing the game. For one fun is to fly a lvl 4 in high, after a hard day at work. Others enjoy mining in high, maybe if they dont't want to hammer the directional scanner all the time and watch local. No, they want to drink a beer, mine a bit, chat with friends and good.

I had my best time in the game in WH space, my life changes rl don't stop, hardly time to play now. So i'm in high sec these days, talk to old friends an drink my beer.

If a few other guys try to say you how to play, go null, go low, do this or that, that's the way we think how to play this game. What would you do? You see the problem? If you can't play the way you want, because others don't except it or gamemechanics change and so on, you adapt or get driven away from the game and play some other game, that makes fun.

Many players play the game because they love the scifi universe with spaceships, a story and many to explore. What no one needs is that someone say us how to play, how to fly, and so on.

The mission running need some love, burner missions are fun, give us more please.

No. Just no. The goal is to get people out of high sec and experience the game.

If the goal for CCP is to not get players to move out to 0.0 then why is 0.0 living far more lucrative that hi sec mission running?

We've heard all this before, and the people asking for 'more content' in high sec never stop to think why it's a bad idea..

EVE is a game that is very easy to manually multibox. If you make 'better' high level missions "for me and my buddy" it won't be some guy doing the mission for fun with his friend, it will be a big huge series of single players with multiple accounts farming the absolute Bejesus out of it. EVe players (especially it's PVE players) are masters of min/maxing madness.

The above is why incursions require so many people, if you require less people but still have good enough rewards to make it worth while and you end up with the "Faction Warfare missions problem" ie everyone will do it, whole markets will be depressed (like the Faction Warfare LP stores ruined by the legions of players with stealth bombers power farming them). You can already see this with Burner Missions, there are now dedicated Burner Mission only types who farm the hell out of these now easy 1 minute 14k loyalty point missions to the exclusion of all else and you can tell when you try to convert LP after doing missions the 'normal' way. So no, it's not a good idea for CCP to give you what you want when what you want ends up hurting the game.

In addition, the content the OP is asking for already exists, it simply requires thought and planning to use. People are already doing lvl 5 missions in under 5 minutes, or making loads of isk doing low sec lvl 4 missions in cheap ships and making 2-300 mil an hour, all with little to no risk.

When it comes to pve content and rewards , EVE has a number of trade offs. One of those trade offs is "if you want better pve content, you have to leave safety/comfort behind". This is one of the things that makes EVE what it is, and it also gives value to the PVE we find outside of high sec. That's the way it supposed to be, I have to risk my ship to get better PVE content, so do you.

The reason that there is a lack of serious missioning content in Empire is because CCP wants plays to progress to 0.0 and experience everything that the game has to offer. Running missions in empire all day long and only doing that is doing yourself a disservice due to missing out on the game as a whole.