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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
579
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Posted - 2015.01.15 13:49:54 -
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When I was a day old newbee, I signed up for EVE Uni thinking I would bravely help them in the fight against the evil UMAD. But at that time they were more interested in telling everyone that non-consensual war decs and deccing newbie organisations was bad rather than actually fighting.
That made me sign up for minerbumping immediately after I left.
For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/
Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
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Velicitia
XS Tech
2767
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Posted - 2015.01.15 17:02:08 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Velicitia wrote:I (currently) "believe" in AG because of the hope that content might be generated.
Snowball's chance in hell of anything actually happening though. Being part of, or supporting the Anti-Gankers and fighting ganking in the game is noble and to be commended. You are engaging in the content that the ganker/AG conflict produces and making New Eden a more interesting place.
Never said it was an altruistic reason -- I just wanna read the propaganda war on the forums here.
(and well, whatever other in-game content that can be created because of it).
Personally, I don't really get along with the AG crowd (OMG YOU'RE A [GANKER|CODE ALT|SOCIOPATH]!!!11!!!!1!oneone1!!!!eleven!!!!) ....
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
256
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Posted - 2015.01.15 18:04:13 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Lol so they aren't helpless? Please. Unless you travel with a whole fleet of friends in logi there is nothing you can do to stop your freighter from being ganked. And even then, with enough alpha on the grid you can still go down as long as you leak structure each wave. And they can still bump you for up to 23.5 hours even if they cant kill you, because they are trying to kill you. Are you aware that a perfect Ark with slaves and links can have 733,000 EHP in it's armor? It requires 61 perfect T2 Tornadoes to break that armor and leak structure. You've also forgotten that an Ark can jump to an emergency cyno at anytime.
Steppa Musana wrote:Warp the freighter to a spotter - doesn't work if the bumper isn't an idiot. Have you tried bumping before? It's easier to adjust your spotter than it is to keep bumping the freighter in different directions.
Steppa Musana wrote:Okay, we can web a freighter into warp. I argued this just days ago. New realization: Easily countered. You want to know why this usually works? Because of what Cousin said. There's idiots everywhere, and as long as you run faster the hungry bear eats them instead. Fact is webbing the freighter can be countered. The smarter of the gankers know what I'm talking about. Im not gonna explain the tactic so the rest can take advantage of it. Are you referring to warp disrupting the freighter in an instalock Thrasher which affords the gankers enough time to bump the it? Whatever the strategy it's safe to assume you need to be on the grid to pull it off. Which means you've made a startling contradiction...
Steppa Musana wrote:The bumper can be cloaked on the gate, wait for you to jump through, decloak, use the tactic I won't describe to negate your web warp, bump you, and then unless you have 10 mates in logi it's just a matter of time until you die. In this example there is no one on grid except for a cloaked Machariel. How did you plan to disrupt the web sling then? It is clear there must be another ship on grid to do what you have described. This is where the carebears of highsec make a crucial error in judgment - they don't treat highsec the same way they treat lowsec. You wouldn't jump a freighter through a lowsec gate with even 1 person on the other side. If you abide by this mentally in highsec, scouting does work.
Steppa Musana wrote:I agree with the pro-ganking stance on 95% of whats posted, but what Ive noticed in time is the that any complaints asking for change that makes ganking harder is an automatic no. All this about "advice" and anyone with half a brain can counter this advice with the teeniest bit of effort. **** off with advice. You can give advice when you're willing to point at the elephant in the room first. Elephants in the room like faction police, battleship EHP on mining barges, a million EHP Deep Space Transports / Jump Freighters and instant intel from watchlists & local. Those are the elephants. What you're pointing at are ants.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2212
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Posted - 2015.01.15 18:57:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Unless you travel with a whole fleet of friends in logi there is nothing you can do to stop your freighter from being ganked.
Liar. I help friends move their freighters through highsec with a simple rapier, even through the occasional New Order gank fleet.
Steppa Musana wrote:Okay, we can web a freighter into warp.
Thanks for admitting you're a liar.
Steppa Musana wrote:I argued this just days ago.
Was this a divine revelation, or did you see years of ganker posts mentioning it?
Steppa Musana wrote: New realization: Easily countered.
Oh, do tell. I'd love to know how two ships working in conjunction, with a minute of absolute immunity as long as they hold their gate cloak, aren't able to co-ordinate webbing the freighter into warp faster than the nearest bump ship can land a hit. I'll say it for the eleventy-gazillionth time: incredibly bad luck is the *only* way webbing a freighter into warp will not work in high sec.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
46
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Posted - 2015.01.15 19:22:19 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:"Not being there in the first place"
Denying part of the game is now a counter to a creative abuse of the game system. Nice
That isn't a counter, it's called being an *******.
I dont get it.
First off, you might as well be saying that we should travel through null/lowsec safely, without repercussions, because otherwise we would be "Denying part of the game".
The fact that a central concept of the game is necessarily dangerous, where the effort you put in directly mirrors the safety and success of your endeavors, isnt a bad thing. This is a counter. Putting more effort into protecting your assets, is a counter, to people who want to blow up/steal your assets. Using a scout alt or scout friend, using a friend to rep/support you, is a counter to bumping and the Ganking that follows.
Secondly, no one is denying you of anything. Its your choice. If you want to move around safely, you have to put the effort.
Why would you ever consider it a "Denial" of a part of the game, just because you are unable to do it with 100% safety? The fact of the matter is, its your choice. You want to fly while mitigating the risks of ganks/bumps to its lowest? Put in the effort. otherwise, its your choice, and you are choosing to "Deny" yourself of an aspect of the game. |
Barik Tal
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2015.01.15 19:22:43 -
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Bumping is the problem and has been for a while.Those that argue it isnt obviously are on the giving end or just typing to see themselves on the forums.Currently it does not matter if you are afk or staring at your screen if the bumper picks you and you dont have people willing to put forth the effort then your freighter is gone 95% of the time.Bumping the bumper isnt very practical even with a skilled bumper.Webbing is in the 5% that it might work and thats if the bumper is a slacker.
Your best chance is to have proactive people willing to communicate and spot the bumper.Once the bumper is spotted you then stick to him like glue.If bumper jumps to safe then you watch all system gates for him to appear again.As an example there is one guy who i will not name(he would love that)that does most of the bumping for them.Once i spotted him i stayed on him like white on rice.Every time he stayed on gate i orbited him at 500 in a smart bomb thrasher.Eventually he found a victim and i switched orbit to him and code rolled in.I was able to smart bomb almost the whole fleet(10 or 11?) off the field before they popped the freighter.Feel free to check my kb to confirm im not talking out of my arse.
That night were were many of us being proactive as code blew up the local with their usual ramblings.There were others with logis that saved a couple more freighters as well.Eventually Loyalanon logged off and the fleet(goons included)disbanded and werent heard from again that night.This isnt me bragging I am by no means a bad arse or elite in any way, shape or form i simply pointing out that you can make a difference with communication and thinking outside of the box by yourself. |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
46
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Posted - 2015.01.15 19:30:51 -
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Barik Tal wrote:Bumping is the problem and has been for a while.Those that argue it isnt obviously are on the giving end or just typing to see themselves on the forums.Currently it does not matter if you are afk or staring at your screen if the bumper picks you and you dont have people willing to put forth the effort then your freighter is gone 95% of the time.Bumping the bumper isnt very practical even with a skilled bumper.Webbing is in the 5% that it might work and thats if the bumper is a slacker.
Your best chance is to have proactive people willing to communicate and spot the bumper.Once the bumper is spotted you then stick to him like glue.If bumper jumps to safe then you watch all system gates for him to appear again.As an example there is one guy who i will not name(he would love that)that does most of the bumping for them.Once i spotted him i stayed on him like white on rice.Every time he stayed on gate i orbited him at 500 in a smart bomb thrasher.Eventually he found a victim and i switched orbit to him and code rolled in.I was able to smart bomb almost the whole fleet(10 or 11?) off the field before they popped the freighter.Feel free to check my kb to confirm im not talking out of my arse.
That night were were many of us being proactive as code blew up the local with their usual ramblings.There were others with logis that saved a couple more freighters as well.Eventually Loyalanon logged off and the fleet(goons included)disbanded and werent heard from again that night.This isnt me bragging I am by no means a bad arse or elite in any way, shape or form i simply pointing out that you can make a difference with communication and thinking outside of the box by yourself.
Oh, so in other words, freighter pilots need to put more effort in and bring more people, in order to help him survive ganks. Kinda like how the gankers need to put more effort in and bring more people, in order to help them kill a freighter.
Sounds fair to me. So whats the problem, here? Not many people care about a bumper who bumps a freighter and doesnt gank, after all. |
Velicitia
XS Tech
2769
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Posted - 2015.01.15 19:53:37 -
[608] - Quote
Barik Tal wrote:Currently it does not matter if you are afk or staring at your screen if the bumper picks you and you dont have people willing to put forth the effort then your freighter is gone 95% of the time.Bumping the bumper isnt very practical even with a skilled bumper.Webbing is in the 5% that it might work and thats if the bumper is a slacker.
Eve is a MMO. You SHOULD have friends (or hell an alt).
FFS, the last "escorted" run I needed to make was simply "Hey corpies, I need to move this freighter with 900m worth of YOUR STUFF thru Hek. I'm waiting in [whatever neighbouring system] ... I'll wait 15 minutes for you to get there, else I'm risking it. Oh, and if I pop, neither I nor the corp is reimbursing you."
I had 4 guardians, a daredevil, and 2 falcons show up. This was on top of my existing scout/webber.
Barik Tal wrote:Your best chance is to have proactive people willing to communicate and spot the bumper.Once the bumper is spotted you then stick to him like glue.If bumper jumps to safe then you watch all system gates for him to appear again.As an example there is one guy who i will not name(he would love that)that does most of the bumping for them.Once i spotted him i stayed on him like white on rice.Every time he stayed on gate i orbited him at 500 in a smart bomb thrasher.Eventually he found a victim and i switched orbit to him and code rolled in.I was able to smart bomb almost the whole fleet(10 or 11?) off the field before they popped the freighter.Feel free to check my kb to confirm im not talking out of my arse.
Seems having friends, as in my situation above, would've worked better (because that freighter still died). Now, if you webbed/pointed the mach so he couldn't bump well (if at all), maybe the freighter would've gotten away.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2015.01.15 20:48:50 -
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Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation. |
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs Independent Operators Consortium
364
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Posted - 2015.01.15 20:56:06 -
[610] - Quote
So back to the OP...
Soooo... 31 pages later Is the war still about to start or has it started?
Booster addiction is a wonderful thing
The Booster Addict - IOC's Blog
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
46
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Posted - 2015.01.15 20:57:28 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation.
The faction ship isnt really "Enabling" freighter ganking though. Its bumping, using a legitimate mechanic to stall the warp of a ship. The risk to that ship should be non-existant, anymore than there should be a risk to your ship if you bump another ship when you undock. |
John E Normus
New Order Logistics CODE.
464
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Posted - 2015.01.15 22:01:54 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation.
There are some people who don't want to wait for new mechanics and just gank our Machs. We like these people.
Eve is really a great game if you play it.
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
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CODE Agent AC
The Conference Elite CODE.
906
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Posted - 2015.01.16 01:01:31 -
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John E Normus wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation. There are some people who don't want to wait for new mechanics and just gank our Machs. We like these people. Eve is really a great game if you play it.
Last I heard was the AG community was planning on having a Dock-In, I am assuming that someone was inspired by Selma. I feel that this will be another excuse for them to not do anything active, and further AFK.
I do agree, John. Play the game, don't just load it up and walk away. Go out, play, have fun, shoot things, get shot at! Get revenge. Make friends, talk! (The sheer silence at times astounds me.)
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.
The terminal end of the digestive system.
The Best CSM Candidate
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2213
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:45:48 -
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Toriessian wrote:Soooo... 31 pages later Is the war still about to start or has it started?
Soon(TM).
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2015.01.16 03:50:22 -
[615] - Quote
John E Normus wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation. There are some people who don't want to wait for new mechanics and just gank our Machs. We like these people. Eve is really a great game if you play it.
I will believe you when I see a mach killmail. |
Dar'Nalaa
Gankbears
8
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Posted - 2015.01.16 04:51:14 -
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Toriessian wrote:So back to the OP...
Soooo... 31 pages later Is the war still about to start or has it started?
Yes 31 pages long, a bit of a surprise, anyway our war is starting out OK thxs, some parts are a bit slow, like getting more people to do stuff to fight back but our numbers are growing. One new line of work that came up is helping corps and alliances outside of high sec understand ganking, so many live with the danger of low sec and null sec life and think high sec is a safe place to sell their products. I'm sure it's a shock to Code but many don't know who or what they are until they lose a freighter.
I help guide them to a clear understanding of code, to the type of people within, spread the word I say So far helped two groups put new practice in place for high sec travel and passed on many AG tips, to which I would like to say thxs to the AG channel for all the info and help, a great group doing a hard job.
We hopefully will be more proactive in the coming weeks as holidays now over, one final point it's all very nice the money and ships that you have donated but one or two hours of anti-ganking work is what's needed from your alts, so now with the chance to Isboxer put your mission runners to good use.
I'll post an update in a new post next week
Dar'Nallaa
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Gorila Vengaza
The Conference Elite CODE.
157
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Posted - 2015.01.16 05:12:14 -
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CODE Agent AC wrote:John E Normus wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation. There are some people who don't want to wait for new mechanics and just gank our Machs. We like these people. Eve is really a great game if you play it. Last I heard was the AG community was planning on having a Dock-In, I am assuming that someone was inspired by Selma. I feel that this will be another excuse for them to not do anything active, and further AFK. I do agree, John. Play the game, don't just load it up and walk away. Go out, play, have fun, shoot things, get shot at! Get revenge. Make friends, talk! (The sheer silence at times astounds me.)
LMAO A dock in? Do they sit in station and sing songs? I cant believe any of them could agree on what song to sing... |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
458
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Posted - 2015.01.16 07:21:01 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:John E Normus wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation. There are some people who don't want to wait for new mechanics and just gank our Machs. We like these people. Eve is really a great game if you play it. I will believe you when I see a mach killmail.
Jennifer en Marland has three on her killboard.
You should really be more trusting.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
266
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Posted - 2015.01.18 09:58:55 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:John E Normus wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation. There are some people who don't want to wait for new mechanics and just gank our Machs. We like these people. Eve is really a great game if you play it. I will believe you when I see a mach killmail. Jennifer en Marland has three four on her killboard. You should really be more trusting. Five actually.
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Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics CODE.
93
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Posted - 2015.01.18 10:37:05 -
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Barik Tal wrote:Eventually he found a victim and i switched orbit to him and code rolled in.I was able to smart bomb almost the whole fleet(10 or 11?) off the field before they popped the freighter.Feel free to check my kb to confirm im not talking out of my arse.
I checked, those kills in Hek on December 14 1:23 with a smartbombing thrasher? You did roughly 6-12% of the damage done to all those catalysts, then concord rolled in. Can confirm that you ARE talking out your ass. You smartbombed a whole 20% of their shields off the field and lost your thrasher for the effort, well done. |
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Dar'Nalaa
Gankbears
9
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Posted - 2015.01.20 09:36:37 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Barik Tal wrote:Eventually he found a victim and i switched orbit to him and code rolled in.I was able to smart bomb almost the whole fleet(10 or 11?) off the field before they popped the freighter.Feel free to check my kb to confirm im not talking out of my arse.
I checked, those kills in Hek on December 14 1:23 with a smartbombing thrasher? You did roughly 6-12% of the damage done to all those catalysts, then concord rolled in. Can confirm that you ARE talking out your ass. You smartbombed a whole 20% of their shields off the field and lost your thrasher for the effort, well done, if anything you'll help the gankers by damaging the freighter.
It's the taking part that matters, yes only 20% for one player but add more players and your life gets harder, keep up the good work Barik
Dar'Nalaa |
Hiasa Kite
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
141
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Posted - 2015.01.20 17:38:03 -
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Dar'Nalaa wrote:]It's the taking part that matters, yes only 20% for one player but add more players and your life gets harder, keep up the good work Barik
Dar'Nalaa It's achieving a goal that matters, not wasting your time and going home with an "at least you tried" medal.
Want your cause to go anywhere? Put your efforts into something far more constructive, particularly if you want others to join in. By far and away the most effective strategy is educating likely targets about the dangers of space. It is the target that is by far the best positioned to cause gankers to fail, not white knights.
If you must go down the harassment route, go gallente targeted ECM. The ship and fit is cheap, and has a significant range advantage, making it very difficult for gankers to counter if flown competently. A single ECM boat can lock down 2 or 3 gankers, creating a significant chance the gank will fail. Of course, you need to be on grid, alert, waiting for a window only a few seconds wide, sometimes in excess of an hour waiting on a single gank. This makes white knighting tedious and oddly enough, few do it for long, hence why I suggest education, first.
People to vote for CSM X(in order): Sabriz Adoudel, Steve Ronuken, Manfred Sideous, Mike Azariah, Gorski Car
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Kane Ceres
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:36:22 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Dar'Nalaa wrote:]It's the taking part that matters, yes only 20% for one player but add more players and your life gets harder, keep up the good work Barik
Dar'Nalaa It's achieving a goal that matters, not wasting your time and going home with an "at least you tried" medal.
This is exactly why AG will never be sucessful, its always put in the minimum effort required to get your participation trophy and then go home acomplishing nothing. |
Dar'Nalaa
Gankbears
9
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:44:06 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:[quote=Dar'Nalaa]]It's the taking part that matters, yes only 20% for one player but add more players and your life gets harder, keep up the good work Barik
Dar'Nalaa It's achieving a goal that matters, not wasting your time and going home with an "at least you tried" medal.
Want your cause to go anywhere? Put your efforts into something far more constructive, particularly if you want others to join in. By far and away the most effective strategy is educating likely targets about the dangers of space. It is the target that is by far the best positioned to cause gankers to fail, not white knights.
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Other than your 1st line I am with you 100%, over the past week we have started an educational program, will be posting about that in the coming weeks
To try something is never a waste of time, sitting back and writing on forums with no action may be a waste yes. More people who take part in this the better.
Not sure why you put that 1st line in, what's the point of any thing if it's not achieving a goal or working to it, the guy I referred to did what he could at the time, why would you put that down, otherwise thxs for your reply you made some good points
Dar'Nalaa
Ps ganker like to call us white Knights, I just do what I feel is right and help others |
Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics CODE.
102
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Posted - 2015.01.21 00:19:47 -
[625] - Quote
Dar'Nalaa wrote: Not sure why you put that 1st line in, what's the point of any thing if it's not achieving a goal or working to it, the guy I referred to did what he could at the time, why would you put that down, otherwise thxs for your reply you made some good points
He didn't achieve a goal, that was my point. Unless it was an own one.
There is a difference between fitting up a ship, giving a white knight tactic a try and seeing that it a) works, b) doesn't work, c ) needs more people and x kind of support team, and bombing a bunch of people for 6% once and then calling it a win on the forums, bragging about your concord KM's. He neither achieved a goal nor worked towards one. |
Hiasa Kite
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
141
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Posted - 2015.01.21 00:41:43 -
[626] - Quote
Dar'Nalaa wrote:what's the point of any thing if it's not achieving a goal or working to it, the guy I referred to did what he could at the time, why would you put that down I'm not putting down white knighting or an attempt at playing the game. I'm arguing against poor choices that cannot possibly yield a favourable result.
EVE Online is won by preparation. It really is that simple. You prepare by having the right equipment in the right place. You prepare by using the right ship and the right fit. You prepare by gathering intel about your environment and those inhabiting it. You prepare by using both in-game and 3rd party tools. You prepare by using these elements together as the situation and your goals demand.
Barik Tal's little strategy was to smart bomb gank fleets off the grid. OK, there's nothing wrong with exploring new things. Hell, I remember considering smartbombs to gank clusters of weak mining ships. However, I was not satisfied with the ISK investment and the required number of targets required to make such a strategy viable. This is why I mock Barik's counter-gank attempt. Partial damage before CONCORD's arrival is literally meaningless. Even killing the targets before CONCORD arrive is of limited value (e.g. killing a ganker 18 seconds into a 20 second attack). The strategy in question could only possibly work with enough pilots or at the very least, a willingness to sacrifice a disco-fit battleship.
Had Barik researched his strategy, he would've found it so unlikely to have an impact he never would've attempted the counter-gank. Instead, he blindly went on in the hopes that his strategy would achieve something - the end result being a literal waste of time and resources.
What's also quite funny about this kind of situation is that the most effective strategies to counter gankers are most loudly advertised by the gankers themselves. "Tank your ship", "watch local", "use a scout" and their variants are echoed in gank-related threads by the very people that white knights are trying to destroy.
People to vote for CSM X(in order): Sabriz Adoudel, Steve Ronuken, Manfred Sideous, Mike Azariah, Gorski Car
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servalaan
16
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Posted - 2015.01.21 00:54:15 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:
He didn't achieve a goal, that was my point. Unless it was an own one.
There is a difference between fitting up a ship, giving a white knight tactic a try and seeing that it a) works, b) doesn't work, c ) needs more people and x kind of support team, and bombing a bunch of people for 6% once and then calling it a win on the forums, bragging about your concord KM's. He neither achieved a goal nor worked towards one.
Wayne Gretzky
Quote:You miss 100% of the shots you donGÇÖt take.
6% or 60%, who cares. It's better than going around bumping/ganking ships that cant fight back and calling it ELITE PVP.
Hek to Uedama is littered with these patronozing code ring-sausages. Individuals WILL find a way to counter these f**k-knuckles then, slowly but surely so will everyone else. Code voices will grow quiet and they will be forgotten.
If pinocchio told you his nose was about to grow, what would happen?
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Siegfried Cohenberg
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.01.21 01:02:23 -
[628] - Quote
The best counter to bumping is to get on a bumpers good side. I think the most effective method to do so would be to give known bumpers isk. I'm positive that after you fatten their wallets they'll lose interest in bumping your freighter. |
Leto Thule
Team Pizza Disavowed.
2023
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Posted - 2015.01.21 01:45:35 -
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servalaan wrote:Tisiphone Dira wrote:
He didn't achieve a goal, that was my point. Unless it was an own one.
There is a difference between fitting up a ship, giving a white knight tactic a try and seeing that it a) works, b) doesn't work, c ) needs more people and x kind of support team, and bombing a bunch of people for 6% once and then calling it a win on the forums, bragging about your concord KM's. He neither achieved a goal nor worked towards one.
Wayne GretzkyQuote:You miss 100% of the shots you donGÇÖt take. 6% or 60%, who cares. It's better than going around bumping/ganking ships that cant fight back and calling it ELITE PVP. Hek to Uedama is littered with these patronozing code ring-sausages. Individuals WILL find a way to counter these f**k-knuckles then, slowly but surely so will everyone else. Code voices will grow quiet and they will be forgotten.
Wtf is a "ring sausage"?
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Posted - 2015.01.21 01:48:01 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:It's achieving a goal that matters, not wasting your time and going home with an "at least you tried" medal.
People who achieve things are just bullying and griefing the failures.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
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