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Shin Katsumoto
The Zetetic Elench Tungsten Dominion
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Posted - 2015.01.01 16:57:14 -
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So you should not fly what you can't afford to lose. I got that so now I only fly stuff which cost 1/10 of the money I got. However the problem I have now is that, everytime I die and want to get in a new ship, I have to spend upwards an hour to get all the modules for it.
That is boring. Any tips on how to reduce this downtime? |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5275
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:02:44 -
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Shin Katsumoto wrote:So you should not fly what you can't afford to lose. I got that so now I only fly stuff which cost 1/10 of the money I got. However the problem I have now is that, everytime I die and want to get in a new ship, I have to spend upwards an hour to get all the modules for it.
That is boring. Any tips on how to reduce this downtime?
Yes.
That is easy.
Buy in bulk and keep replacement shipa stocked.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8194
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:04:57 -
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keep a cache off fitted ships at or near your clone, buy mods you will use regularly in bulk at trade hubs, for meta gear this actually shouldn't be too expensive, and then have the hulls + modules moved for you by either an out of corp alt or a buddie with one (though you can do this yourself but if you have any active wars you will have to be faily carefull) .
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Shin Katsumoto
The Zetetic Elench Tungsten Dominion
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:10:32 -
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Ok, will buy in bulk next time and keep the stash near my clone. Problem is my resources are limited so not sure how many of each item I should invest in. Maybe 3-4 should do it.
Thanks for the tips. |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
830
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:14:13 -
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Shin Katsumoto wrote:I have to spend upwards an hour to get all the modules for it. Why? To grind the money or to find the mods?
If the latter - go to a market hub. There are a few systems in EVE that players have designated as supply depots and they have all the common mods you need in one place. In approximate order of size they are...
Jita, Amarr, Dodixie, Rens, Hek
Jita is MUCH larger than any of the others, but you should be able to find t1 and t2 mods for your ships at any of them. Once you get to the system, just check which station everything is sold at and you'll know where to dock.
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voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
331
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:41:32 -
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There are a couple of other things that might help you:
Buy a couple of ships and fittings in the local trade hub and use Red Frog, Push Industries or an indie hauler to haul it to your base while you are offline
Save the fitting of your current ship, then in your base assemble a ship, make it active, open the fitting screen and select your saved fit, Load Fitting. This will automagically load your fitting. You may need to add rigs manually and don't forget ammo, drones, cap boosters etc., but it can save some time. |
Good Apollo BS4
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:41:36 -
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Shin Katsumoto wrote:Ok, will buy in bulk next time and keep the stash near my clone. Problem is my resources are limited so not sure how many of each item I should invest in. Maybe 3-4 should do it.
Thanks for the tips.
Also to save time, once you have the fitting just right, save it, in the ship fitting window- that way if you buy 4 of everything, and have them in your home station, all you do is activate the hull from your ship hanger, open saved fittings, hit the fit ship button, and bam ready to get blown up again. saves time. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
238
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Posted - 2015.01.01 18:25:44 -
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so it looks like you are an old toon but you could be just a returning trial account so IDK how many skill points that you have but I can say that in my first couple of months making isk seemed difficult. I'm not exactly sure how much of it was me learning the game and how much was gaining skill points but I can say it gets much easier.
If you are having isk issues and are an inexperienced player I suggest you make friends or join a friendly corp that will help get going. Eve is nearly impossible on solo noobs but gets really fun with friends. |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
1904
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Posted - 2015.01.01 18:29:36 -
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Usually I keep a plethora of different ships stocked. If I die I hop into one of them or an interceptor if the distance is far. If you don't like buying bulk all the time you can save fittings in the quickbar in market to streamline the process a bit.
Best option is to spend extra time before hand preparing your ships so you can quickly re ship. |
Kalwas Denitas
7
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Posted - 2015.01.02 01:28:50 -
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If you aren't with a Corp that can help you refit quickly, or at best have multiple ships ready to go at any time.... I suggest you try and make contact with some local businessmenn/haulers in your region. Aside from using a Frog service, you could always try and make new relationships with people who don't mind gathering up buy orders and moving them for you locally on a regular basis. You would be strengthening your own game while helping to grow the community. I have made several friends by simply mailing people I see hauling and asking if they want some extra work. Contracts are easy and safe for the most part.
Something boring for one person is the end game for another. Find more friends seems to be the answer to a lot of problems. |
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Shin Katsumoto
The Zetetic Elench Tungsten Dominion
2
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Posted - 2015.01.02 04:27:08 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:so it looks like you are an old toon but you could be just a returning trial account so IDK how many skill points that you have but I can say that in my first couple of months making isk seemed difficult. I'm not exactly sure how much of it was me learning the game and how much was gaining skill points but I can say it gets much easier.
If you are having isk issues and are an inexperienced player I suggest you make friends or join a friendly corp that will help get going. Eve is nearly impossible on solo noobs but gets really fun with friends.
I have played Eve for three periods, none lasting more than a few months. First was when it was released, played for a couple of months and quit. Then again 2-3 years ago, and that was when this character was created, think I played and trained him for 3-4 months and then quit. Currently he has just under 10 million SPs and I got about a billion ISK to play around with, which I got for selling my previous character.
Haven't had much luck with corps to be honest as they either were a bunch of semi-active players or just wanted cheap labor. The current one I am in seems to be pretty cool, wormhole corp and all, but they are pretty small which probably suits me as I am not that social of a player. I will see how it turns out as I really want to get into some wormhole PvE and PvP.
In any case this game have such a huge potential but for some reason I keep getting bored and quit. Everything worth doing in the game seem to have a huge threshold except the most boring activity, which is doing missions. Trying to get into incursions but they public corps I have seen so far have pretty stringent requirements on ship and fittings. Currently training to switch from T2 tanking to shielding as that is what they require.
Want to get into Faction Wars but the threshold seem pretty high on that as well. I feel Eve needs to be a bit more accessible, it is a game after all.
Anyway, what kind of recommendation do you have for someone who likes to solo most of the time with the occasional team activity? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
6999
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Posted - 2015.01.02 06:20:24 -
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Shin Katsumoto wrote:Want to get into Faction Wars but the threshold seem pretty high on that as well. I feel Eve needs to be a bit more accessible, it is a game after all.
Anyway, what kind of recommendation do you have for someone who likes to solo most of the time with the occasional team activity? Faction Warfare (and PvP in general) doesn't really have that high of skill requirements... especially if you are a part of a team.
You simply need to fly a frigate and be able to fit one of the two following sets of modules...
- Afterburner / Microwarpdrive - Damage Control - Warp Disruptor / Scrambler
or
- Microwarpdrive - Capacitor booster - Damage Control - Electronic Warfare of choice (ECM, Sensor Dampeners, Tracking Disruptors)
Using either sets you can be a great help to a team and contribute in a meaningful way. Of course, you'll die a lot. But that is part of the process of learning in this game. And Insurance can cover most of the cost of the Tech 1 hulls you use.
Working solo though... that is a bit trickier. While skills will be a major hurdle, the biggest issues you'll have are lack of experience and understanding of the options you have at your disposal.
You may not want to hear this, but you might want to be a little more social than you want to be. Just until you find your feet. Having to work with others towards a goal or compensate for lacking skills/experience/abilities/resources is part of EVE's design. No one person can do "everything" (unless they are willing to pay for extra accounts per month).
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Trevor Dalech
Adeptus Assassinorum Silent Eviction
72
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Posted - 2015.01.02 07:19:06 -
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Shin Katsumoto wrote:
Want to get into Faction Wars but the threshold seem pretty high on that as well. I feel Eve needs to be a bit more accessible, it is a game after all.
Anyway, what kind of recommendation do you have for someone who likes to solo most of the time with the occasional team activity?
You said you had about 1b to play with, this is more than enough for a substantial FW stash of ships. When I started in FW as a new player I made a stash of about 50 condors plus enough modules to fit them (and play around with fittings) most of my fits were around half a million (t1, cheapest meta I could find) I then proceeded to get blown up several times a day until I had the hang of things and had found a fitting I liked. I then made a new stash of about 50 condors, this time t2 fit (a few mill per ship) and continued my practice of getting blown up a lot.
You need to spend some time hauling all the stuff around (if you don't outsource it) but once your stash is set, you're good for weeks. If you fly t1 frigates a lot, another option is to buy a BPO for it (they're about a few 100k) buy minerals from the local miners and build your ships at your base, then you only need to haul the modules, 50 ships worth of mods will fit in a t1 industrial easily, thus saving on hauling time. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4266
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Posted - 2015.01.02 08:31:09 -
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Definitely consider living somewhere close to a trade hub and buy your fittings in bulk (especially for anything that you expect to lose a lot of, and anything that's easily resold).
When I'm on a ganking spree, it's not unheard of for me to buy 20 Vexors and all of the fittings I'd use for them at once, get another player to move them to the system I intend to base out of with a courier contract, and then assemble numbers 2 to 20 while under my Crimewatch red card from the first gank.
Now the time consuming part is designing fits... I spent a good three hours chatting with a corpmate just days ago working on a fit for a specific purpose.
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Jake Peters
Shadow Core Conglomerate
12
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Posted - 2015.01.02 08:38:34 -
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Good Apollo BS4 wrote:Also to save time, once you have the fitting just right, save it, in the ship fitting window- that way if you buy 4 of everything, and have them in your home station, all you do is activate the hull from your ship hanger, open saved fittings, hit the fit ship button, and bam ready to get blown up again. saves time.
Didn't know this...great tip, thanks! :)
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8215
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Posted - 2015.01.02 09:20:50 -
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Shin Katsumoto wrote:Anyway, what kind of recommendation do you have for someone who likes to solo most of the time with the occasional team activity? More teamwork, the requisite skill needed for almost everything in eve will drop proportionately with the amount of people engaged in it.
Solo in eve is hard and unfair, perfectly doable but frustrating because there's absolutely nothing to ensure everyone else isn't going to gang up on you as soon as you have any sort of edge.
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and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Velicitia
XS Tech
2671
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Posted - 2015.01.02 10:37:46 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Solo in eve is hard and unfair
FTFY
Seriously though, everything that he said is spot on.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5294
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Posted - 2015.01.02 11:30:59 -
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Nothing in EVE is hard...if you do it with others that will guide you if needed.
Trying to take on a MMO solo, I can garantuee you. You will have little hair left after 6 months..
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
12412
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Posted - 2015.01.02 12:14:52 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Solo in eve is hard and unfair It's perfect! :D
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
12412
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Posted - 2015.01.02 12:16:07 -
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J'Poll wrote:Nothing in EVE is hard...if you do it with others that will guide you if needed.
Trying to take on a MMO solo, I can garantuee you. You will have little hair left after 6 months.. My hair looks just fine. You were talking about the head, right??
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Shin Katsumoto
The Zetetic Elench Tungsten Dominion
3
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Posted - 2015.01.02 12:24:50 -
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J'Poll wrote:Nothing in EVE is hard...if you do it with others that will guide you if needed.
Trying to take on a MMO solo, I can garantuee you. You will have little hair left after 6 months..
I have been playing MMOs for almost 15 years, starting with UO, and I have been largely soloing most of the time. Eve though seems to be the one which has the most boring solo content, which seems to be mission running and high sec farming/exploring.
The more fun parts seem to be all group required which is I guess fine, since it is an MMO, but the game does not seem to have the right grouping tools in place. You have to find a group which fits you and that seems to be hard as I have been largely unsuccesful in it.
I know you guys wont like it but Eve would benefit from some group-matching mechanism. Stuff like Factional Warfare and running high level deadspace spawns would seem ideal for that.
Or even incursions. Would be cool if you could tick in for incursions and once when that happens a wormhole opens up which you can take to the affected system and you would be automatically grouped with others who signed up for it. |
Velicitia
XS Tech
2672
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Posted - 2015.01.02 12:50:39 -
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Shin Katsumoto wrote:J'Poll wrote:Nothing in EVE is hard...if you do it with others that will guide you if needed.
Trying to take on a MMO solo, I can garantuee you. You will have little hair left after 6 months.. I have been playing MMOs for almost 15 years, starting with UO, and I have been largely soloing most of the time. Eve though seems to be the one which has the most boring solo content, which seems to be mission running and high sec farming/exploring. The more fun parts seem to be all group required which is I guess fine, since it is an MMO, but the game does not seem to have the right grouping tools in place. You have to find a group which fits you and that seems to be hard as I have been largely unsuccesful in it. I know you guys wont like it but Eve would benefit from some group-matching mechanism. Stuff like Factional Warfare and running high level deadspace spawns would seem ideal for that. Or even incursions. Would be cool if you could tick in for incursions and once when that happens a wormhole opens up which you can take to the affected system and you would be automatically grouped with others who signed up for it.
some faster travel options could help, yes ... but if you're talking about "instanced" content ... well, there's the door.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Shin Katsumoto
The Zetetic Elench Tungsten Dominion
3
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Posted - 2015.01.02 13:01:57 -
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Velicitia wrote:Shin Katsumoto wrote:J'Poll wrote:Nothing in EVE is hard...if you do it with others that will guide you if needed.
Trying to take on a MMO solo, I can garantuee you. You will have little hair left after 6 months.. I have been playing MMOs for almost 15 years, starting with UO, and I have been largely soloing most of the time. Eve though seems to be the one which has the most boring solo content, which seems to be mission running and high sec farming/exploring. The more fun parts seem to be all group required which is I guess fine, since it is an MMO, but the game does not seem to have the right grouping tools in place. You have to find a group which fits you and that seems to be hard as I have been largely unsuccesful in it. I know you guys wont like it but Eve would benefit from some group-matching mechanism. Stuff like Factional Warfare and running high level deadspace spawns would seem ideal for that. Or even incursions. Would be cool if you could tick in for incursions and once when that happens a wormhole opens up which you can take to the affected system and you would be automatically grouped with others who signed up for it. some faster travel options could help, yes ... but if you're talking about "instanced" content ... well, there's the door .
No. Not instanced content. I get that big part of the appeal of EVE is it's persistent universe and it is a big part why I want to get into the game. But the game has a lot of downtime which I feel is sometimes un-neccessary. I dont think many people find it enjoyable to spend 15 minute warping from system to system (in high sec space). |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1951
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Posted - 2015.01.02 16:22:13 -
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Firstly stop dying so much, secondly buy that **** in bulk yo. |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
832
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Posted - 2015.01.02 17:25:27 -
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Shin Katsumoto wrote:I have been playing MMOs for almost 15 years, starting with UO, and I have been largely soloing most of the time. Eve though seems to be the one which has the most boring solo content, which seems to be mission running and high sec farming/exploring. This is not the case. Anything in EVE can be soloed. It just isn't easy.
I solo PVP all the time. It's actually my preferred playstyle. However, I'm a member of an active corp and I recommend the same to all new players looking to get into combat. Starting from scratch, learning what to engage and what not to engage is a daunting task for anyone. Part of that is going out and making mistakes, but learning from others' mistakes speeds up the process exponentially.
A lot of things you learn in fleet combat are worthless in a solo situation. Many fights are won simply by overwhelming the enemy with numbers which obviously won't fly when you are alone. However, there is a lot you can learn. You can practice manual piloting, master offensive and defensive dscan, and chat with others about targets and whether or not they should be engaged. Flying in a fleet helps smooth out the jitters and shows you how more experienced pilots approach different situations. There's a million small things to learn like "warp to the acceleration gate at 10 km so you can still activate but won't get stuck on it" etc.
If nothing else, it helps to have people to chat with while you are tooling around solo. You won't get bored as quickly...you have people to share your glorious killmails with...and people to ask silly questions like "do you think I can take an Orthrus in my Thorax?"
TLDR: -Make yourself fly with fleets to learn the basics and get some experience -Don't worry about dying -Solo PVP is all over the place. Undock and look for it. Just remember, you are solo....the enemy isn't necessarily.
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Velicitia
XS Tech
2674
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Posted - 2015.01.02 17:42:02 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:"do you think I can take an Orthrus in my Thorax?"
Yes
Just make sure it's all M0 trash, so the killmail is all the funnier.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Quanah Comanche
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2015.01.02 17:54:38 -
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Shin Katsumoto wrote:J'Poll wrote:Nothing in EVE is hard...if you do it with others that will guide you if needed.
Trying to take on a MMO solo, I can garantuee you. You will have little hair left after 6 months.. I have been playing MMOs for almost 15 years, starting with UO, and I have been largely soloing most of the time. Eve though seems to be the one which has the most boring solo content, which seems to be mission running and high sec farming/exploring. The more fun parts seem to be all group required which is I guess fine, since it is an MMO, but the game does not seem to have the right grouping tools in place. You have to find a group which fits you and that seems to be hard as I have been largely unsuccesful in it. I know you guys wont like it but Eve would benefit from some group-matching mechanism. Stuff like Factional Warfare and running high level deadspace spawns would seem ideal for that. Or even incursions. Would be cool if you could tick in for incursions and once when that happens a wormhole opens up which you can take to the affected system and you would be automatically grouped with others who signed up for it.
EVE is fine. There are other MMOs. Instancing is a bad idea. I could go on.
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Finn Stanley
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2015.01.02 21:26:28 -
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Shin Katsumoto wrote:J'Poll wrote:Nothing in EVE is hard...if you do it with others that will guide you if needed.
Trying to take on a MMO solo, I can garantuee you. You will have little hair left after 6 months.. I have been playing MMOs for almost 15 years, starting with UO, and I have been largely soloing most of the time. Eve though seems to be the one which has the most boring solo content, which seems to be mission running and high sec farming/exploring. The more fun parts seem to be all group required which is I guess fine, since it is an MMO, but the game does not seem to have the right grouping tools in place. You have to find a group which fits you and that seems to be hard as I have been largely unsuccesful in it. I know you guys wont like it but Eve would benefit from some group-matching mechanism. Stuff like Factional Warfare and running high level deadspace spawns would seem ideal for that. Or even incursions. Would be cool if you could tick in for incursions and once when that happens a wormhole opens up which you can take to the affected system and you would be automatically grouped with others who signed up for it.
some will say thats is what they like about eve, but ...
is supposed to be a MMO, but you cant party with anyone because at the moment you fleet with someone they shoot you and pod you, same with corporations, you want to make friends but alas, every alt you recruit will try to scam/kill you.
So ... group making tools, are the last thing you will see here... thats why people run missions solo, i wouldnt mind to run lvl 1/2 missions as a new character with others to get station standing faster, but is not expected gameplay. you are supposed to die when you try to be friendly, then a couple weeks later people will expect you to "be social and get in a corp" but at the same time you will not trust anyone and will prefer to be as far as you can from your corpmates.
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Roel Yento
Death Row inc
45
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Posted - 2015.01.03 01:41:17 -
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Finn Stanley wrote:Shin Katsumoto wrote:J'Poll wrote:Nothing in EVE is hard...if you do it with others that will guide you if needed.
Trying to take on a MMO solo, I can garantuee you. You will have little hair left after 6 months.. I have been playing MMOs for almost 15 years, starting with UO, and I have been largely soloing most of the time. Eve though seems to be the one which has the most boring solo content, which seems to be mission running and high sec farming/exploring. The more fun parts seem to be all group required which is I guess fine, since it is an MMO, but the game does not seem to have the right grouping tools in place. You have to find a group which fits you and that seems to be hard as I have been largely unsuccesful in it. I know you guys wont like it but Eve would benefit from some group-matching mechanism. Stuff like Factional Warfare and running high level deadspace spawns would seem ideal for that. Or even incursions. Would be cool if you could tick in for incursions and once when that happens a wormhole opens up which you can take to the affected system and you would be automatically grouped with others who signed up for it. some will say thats is what they like about eve, but ... is supposed to be a MMO, but you cant party with anyone because at the moment you fleet with someone they shoot you and pod you, same with corporations, you want to make friends but alas, every alt you recruit will try to scam/kill you. So ... group making tools, are the last thing you will see here... thats why people run missions solo, i wouldnt mind to run lvl 1/2 missions as a new character with others to get station standing faster, but is not expected gameplay. you are supposed to die when you try to be friendly, then a couple weeks later people will expect you to "be social and get in a corp" but at the same time you will not trust anyone and will prefer to be as far as you can from your corpmates.
Your experience is not everyones experience. Corp mates could kill you and does happen but does not happen all the time as you claim. There are random fleets of people too and they have some good ones and sometimes someone in the fleet is there to help gank the fleet. It is a shame that you stay scared of everyone. Presenting yourself as easy prey probably attracts predators.
As for the OP, a match making system would be the start of a bad day for many shiney pve ships lol. Also the wormhole idea is just bad. Traveling is part of the game, wormhole spawning when you get a group is like an instance and could be easily abused by people to move fleets. |
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