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Zingu
Infusion.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:14:00 -
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After some more trying it seems to be easy to force a freeze at least on my computer.
If I run out of free memory due to inactive memory taking up too much space eve will freeze and will need to be force quitted.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
258
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Posted - 2012.01.14 14:07:00 -
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Zingu wrote:After some more trying it seems to be easy to force a freeze at least on my computer.
If I run out of free memory due to inactive memory taking up too much space eve will freeze and will need to be force quitted.
How do you get inactive memory to take up too much space?
And ..doing other network activities while eve is up???? That tempting fate, tickling the dragon's tail, and asking for it all at once. If you are having issues, kill ALL other activities other than eve.
CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should.
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Zingu
Infusion.
Tactical Narcotics Team
1
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Posted - 2012.01.14 14:24:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Zingu wrote:After some more trying it seems to be easy to force a freeze at least on my computer.
If I run out of free memory due to inactive memory taking up too much space eve will freeze and will need to be force quitted.
How do you get inactive memory to take up too much space? And ..doing other network activities while eve is up???? That tempting fate, tickling the dragon's tail, and asking for it all at once. If you are having issues, kill ALL other activities other than eve.
Well I only have 4gb worth of ram on this computer, with an uptime of over a day or so and chrome with maybe 5 tabs and some flash, mumble, teamspeak and itunes running it does eat up some memory.
Also If I remember correctly BSD based systems like using all the ram it can for caching frequently used files and stuff like that. The "What is the worth of having gigs of memory if you don't use it?" approach I guess.
This was just a way to force a freeze of the game though and it still happens(, with the messageless crashes to desktop) very frequently, though not as frequently as when you do not have a lot of free ram. |
Seraphina Oriana
Dark Shadow Industries.
Fidelas Constans
5
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Posted - 2012.01.15 14:28:00 -
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I don't think it's to do with Memory - I had 6Gb free when it locked up - 4Gb Inactive - and the rest of the 16Gb was active/wired and no swap. |
Blaze InfernoArc
Ten Thousand Years
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:52:00 -
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well there goes my hypothesis out the window...anyone care to make an educated guess?
Because it's looking like we may have to wait until the next expansion to play eve again... |
Seraphina Oriana
Dark Shadow Industries.
Fidelas Constans
5
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Posted - 2012.01.15 23:46:00 -
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Blaze InfernoArc wrote:well there goes my hypothesis out the window...anyone care to make an educated guess?
Because it's looking like we may have to wait until the next expansion to play eve again...
Sorreee 
I was in windowed keeping an eye on the ram and CPU via iStat menus.
One thing I did notice though is that when it 'locks up', it's still using CPU cycles in Activity Monitor.
I'm beginning to wonder if it's a graphical issue via the transgaming emulator converting the Direct X? Maybe there's something bugging it and it just stops rendering the graphics? |
Blaze InfernoArc
Ten Thousand Years
2
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Posted - 2012.01.16 01:26:00 -
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Sorreee
I was in windowed keeping an eye on the ram and CPU via iStat menus.
One thing I did notice though is that when it 'locks up', it's still using CPU cycles in Activity Monitor.
I'm beginning to wonder if it's a graphical issue via the transgaming emulator converting the Direct X? Maybe there's something bugging it and it just stops rendering the graphics?[/quote]
That sounds....so convincing. But then again everything I know about syntactic tech has been picked up second- or third hand from unreliable sources. And from getting old games to work on crappy computers.
Also, Seraphina Oriana that reflective bit on your avatar's bottom lip totally makes the portrait.
edit: quote box isn't working for some reason. Just imagine it, k? |
Seraphina Oriana
Dark Shadow Industries.
Fidelas Constans
5
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Posted - 2012.01.16 13:09:00 -
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Blaze InfernoArc wrote:edit: quote box isn't working for some reason. Just imagine it, k?
That's coz you start it with a close quote box =P
Also, my portrait is awesome, coz I am awesome! :D |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
258
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Posted - 2012.01.16 15:04:00 -
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Seraphina Oriana wrote:Blaze InfernoArc wrote:well there goes my hypothesis out the window...anyone care to make an educated guess?
Because it's looking like we may have to wait until the next expansion to play eve again... Sorreee I was in windowed keeping an eye on the ram and CPU via iStat menus. One thing I did notice though is that when it 'locks up', it's still using CPU cycles in Activity Monitor. I'm beginning to wonder if it's a graphical issue via the transgaming emulator converting the Direct X? Maybe there's something bugging it and it just stops rendering the graphics?
Its doing more than that. A little over a month ago I was running 3 clients at once, doing a mining op, when one locked up. The other clients were still working and showed the ship of the locked client in fleet. As soon as I force quit the locked client, its ship dropped fleet and e-warped off.
The client is apparently still communicating with the server during one of these lockups. But don't ask me to repeat it, I have not had a lockup in about a month.
CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should.
Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Cirage
Son's of The Hammer
16
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Posted - 2012.01.17 12:29:00 -
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Maybe this has been mentioned before, but there could be a difference between running it on Snow Leopard and Lion as well. It is playable most of the time (I must really like this game) and there are times when I can play for hours without a crash. My younger brother that I finally convinced to take up EVE runs Lion. He has stopped playing, since it crashes all the time. Play 5 mins, crash, play 2 mins, crash and so on. After a couple of crashes EVE has actually been able to freeze Lion, with a reboot as the only option left. Then again, it could be something with support for different graphics drivers as well. All I know for sure is that it was perfectly stable before Crucible, on both our machines. So much for recruiting new players to EVE... |
Luther DelMordaine
The Foreign Legion
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:24:00 -
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I had massive issue's with freezing . But I have found that while I'm running Vuze and playing eve, eve freezes. It runs fine while Vuze isn't running. But the second I open it, BAM, eve freeze's in under 2mins. |
SPAECMARNIES
The Milkmen
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:36:00 -
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Still freezing along strong here. It sometimes freezes before I can even log in, but usually while i'm in the game for a few minutes. Rather annoying.
My latest petitions did have some positive effect (for me, personally) though, so I encourage you to create petitions as well. |
Bluemelon
Polaris Rising
Controlled Chaos
7
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:42:00 -
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Having same freezing issues |
Blaze InfernoArc
Ten Thousand Years
2
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Posted - 2012.01.19 13:54:00 -
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Hello, and welcome to day 50 of the mac service outage.
To recap: There has been confirmation of work being done on the problem by that Konflikt guy, but so far nothing has been mentioned about recouping the time lost during the outage.
Personally, I would be satisfied with having the lost time appended to the end of my subscription.
Perhaps I should open a petition? |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
RED.Legion
1237
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Posted - 2012.01.19 14:29:00 -
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Blaze InfernoArc wrote:Hello, and welcome to day 50 of the mac service outage.
To recap: There has been confirmation of work being done on the problem by that Konflikt guy, but so far nothing has been mentioned about recouping the time lost during the outage.
Personally, I would be satisfied with having the lost time appended to the end of my subscription.
Perhaps I should open a petition?
You're not gonna get free time for this. Asking it makes you sound like an ass.
That CCP Konflikt has made some updates is great news though. Wish he'd make them in this thread.
dAWwww, here he goes. -áPoastin' Drunk agin. |
Esmilis99
LDK
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:41:00 -
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Still crashing every 10 minutes or so...
I assume holidays should be over by now. Can we get an update on the situation? Were mac devs layed off and mac client will be discontinued in the next few months?
Should we get PCs if we want to continue playing EVE? |
Korgan Nailo
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.01.19 22:57:00 -
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Esmilis99 wrote:Still crashing every 10 minutes or so...
I assume holidays should be over by now. Can we get an update on the situation? Were mac devs layed off and mac client will be discontinued in the next few months?
Should we get PCs if we want to continue playing EVE?
Well, I gave up on the Mac Client and got me a VM with winblows. There are a few good things of doing so:
- EvE Client working perfectly WITH anti-aliasing, with a performance as good as the native client
- EvEMon
- EvEHQ
It is not as if Windows is better than Mac OS, the problem is, CCP is coding for windows and "emulating it" on the Mac for the client. That is never gonna be as fast or as good.  |
Esmilis99
LDK
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:36:00 -
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Do you use bootcamp or some sort of inline emulator?
Sad thing is i'm one of a small minority that has raid card setup, and bootcamp is not supported on my machine.
I'm pretty sure after two months majority of mac users moved on to bootcamp, and those like me will be left behind when mac client will be finally discontinued :(
I mean.. we got used to playing with minimal settings without sound on high-end machines. We adjusted to more lag during fights, overheating and setting up preferences every other week, not using probes and learning to work around the behavior that crashes the client. But this, where you get freezes randomly no matter what you were doing, in most random places as often as few minutes really pushes it over the edge..
If you have trouble identifying or replicating issues, i'm (as im sure many here) are ready to give you our time and cooperation, to help fix it. Just please, please do something about it. |
Korgan Nailo
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:48:00 -
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Esmilis99 wrote:Do you use bootcamp or some sort of inline emulator?
Sad thing is i'm one of a small minority that has raid card setup, and bootcamp is not supported on my machine.
I'm pretty sure after two months majority of mac users moved on to bootcamp, and those like me will be left behind when mac client will be finally discontinued :(
I mean.. we got used to playing with minimal settings without sound on high-end machines. We adjusted to more lag during fights, overheating and setting up preferences every other week, not using probes and learning to work around the behavior that crashes the client. But this, where you get freezes randomly no matter what you were doing, in most random places as often as few minutes really pushes it over the edge..
If you have trouble identifying or replicating issues, i'm (as im sure many here) are ready to give you our time and cooperation, to help fix it. Just please, please do something about it.
Parallels, as simple as that.
There are a few settings that I changed from the "suggested" so Windows doesn't even THINK about touching my Mac files, because it can't see anything. Also, you should change a few settings in Windows so you won't have "hibernate" files, huge page files and the system restore.
In the end the VM software just builds a container folder with a few files and the file that is used as a hard drive for the VM. 37 Gb is what mine takes. A few extra GBs than just the EvE client, but I couldn't care less. Works perfectly, full screen, magic mouse gestures to get me back to Lion, and I have tools I wouldn't in the Mac otherwise.
If you're really considering it, let me know and I'll post the details.  |
Esmilis99
LDK
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 11:52:00 -
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Please do! I'd really appreciate that :) |
Korgan Nailo
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.01.20 14:59:00 -
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Esmilis99 wrote:Please do! I'd really appreciate that :)
Right, here we go.
First of all, both softwares (Parallels and Windows) can be used for 30 days before you decide to put any money into it.
Then, Parallels improved tremendously in the past two versions, 6 and 7. No more extra annoying network devices or crazy processes. This in the past was something that literally made me uninstall the software, and those issues are gone.
My iMac is a late 2009 model, Quad Core i7 2.8GHz, 8GB Ram.
I'm dedicating 4GBs and allowing the VM to use all the 8 cores. You might wanna change this better for your needs.
When you create a VM, you can "Configure" your VM. Here are my settings (I'm only listing what makes any difference to what I mentioned before):
- General: 8 Cores and 4GB
- Options, Startup and Shutdown: Startup View FULL SCREEN
- Options, Optimization: Faster virtual machine; Enable Adaptive Hypervisor ON; Tune Windows for speed ON, Better performance
- Options, Security: Isolate Mac from windows OFF (we do want to be able to access windows' files from the Mac)
- Options, Backup: Do not back up virtual machine ON; SmartGuard DISABLED
- Options, Sharing: Share Mac, Share Folders NONE; Share Mac, Shared Profile, Share Mac user folders with Windows OFF; Share Mac, SmartMount, Map Mac volumes to Windows OFF (these options are basically what isolate your Mac from Windows. You could also add some Custom Folders with read only option)
- Options, Sharing: Share Windows, Access Windows folders from Mac ON; Mount virtual disks to Mac desktop ON
- Options, Applications: Share Windows applications with Mac OFF (this if turned on will make your mac a mess); Share Mac applications with Windows OFF
- Options, Full Screen: Use Mac OS X Full Screen ON; Active Screen Corners OFF; Adjust Mac resolution in full screen OFF
- Options, Advanced: SmartMouse AUTO; Optimize modifier keys for games ON
- Hardware, Boot Order: Boot flags kernel.waet.enable=0 (this is something that you might not need to do. I needed in order to prevent a freaking bug popping up at windows boot. At the time I had my VM set up, it was not the latest version of Parallels. Maybe now it is not required anymore)
- Hardware, Video: Video memory 512Mb (which is what my GPU has); Enable 3D acceleration ON
- Hardware, Network 1: Type... you might want to check what would work best for you. I have this set up as Default Adapter, but also had it working before with Shared Network. There are differences in how other OS see your guest OS. I use this VM for other things too, thus why I changed this from Shared.
Now... the Windows part:
- "Start Menu", in "Search Programs and Files" type "command". Then right-click "Command Prompt" and choose "Run as administrator". In the prompt window, type: "powercfg -h off" without quotes. This will turn off hibernate.
- Open a Windows Explorer window, right-click Computer on the left list, click Properties. On the left, click on Advanced system settings. Click the "Advanced" tab, then in "Performance" click "Settings...". Then click the "Advanced" tab, and in "Virtual Memory" click "Change...". Uncheck "Automatically manage paging file size for all drives", then click "Custom size" and put 512 in Initial size and lets say 1024 or 2048 in Maximum size. I have it at 1024. This basically lowers the page file size from tons of GBs to 512 Mb. Windows do get some errors sometimes with networks that some people related to this, some lsass.exe errors, but I couldn't care less. Internet and EvE works, it is less space lost to windows crap. Not to mention that all files I need to put in windows I just transfer them through the Mac by clicking the windows hard drive on my mac desktop.
- Still in "System Properties" window (Computer --> Properties --> Advanced system settings as done in the previous item), click the "System Protection" tab, then click "Configure..." and on the new window choose "Turn off system protection". This is the restore thing that will make every installation slow and consume unnecessary space.
There you go. Now just install all updates to windows, an anti-virus solution (I recommend Microsoft Security Essentials as an anti-virus for your windows. It is free and a quite good av solution: http://windows.microsoft.com/mse ), make sure it has Parallel Tools installed otherwise you'll have no performance at all and enjoy your "EvE Mac VM Client" without any crashes. =)
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Esmilis99
LDK
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:53:00 -
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I've just set it up. Works okay, sometimes a bit jittery, averages 60fps - but what's the most important, it doesn't crash.
Thank you for the whole write up, must've taken a while to type that, and it was very useful.
I assume there are more people like me who think that the only way to go for windows client is boot camp, but apparently you can get similar performance to native mac client using pure virtualisation.
Again - thank you! |
Blaze InfernoArc
Ten Thousand Years
2
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Posted - 2012.01.22 01:13:00 -
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Just ran a dozen missions with no crashes to report...did something quietly get fixed at some point? |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
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Posted - 2012.01.22 09:33:00 -
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Blaze InfernoArc wrote:Just ran a dozen missions with no crashes to report...did something quietly get fixed at some point?
I can assure you not. I had three in one single short FW mission yesterday. But it is totally random, sometimes I can play for hours without problem.
edit: lol, while writing this post my client crashed while running in the background. It seems to worsen the problem having the client running in the background. Happens to me very often. |
Seraphina Oriana
Lords 0f Justice
Fidelas Constans
5
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:44:00 -
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Thanks for that Parallels guide. Absolutely amazing that we can emulate windows and run the client perfectly, but we can't emulate the client. -.-
Maybe you guys should drop Transgaming and get Parallels to work on the emulation, they clearly know what they are doing. |
Blaze InfernoArc
Ten Thousand Years
2
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Posted - 2012.01.22 15:57:00 -
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Seraphina Oriana wrote:Thanks for that Parallels guide. Absolutely amazing that we can emulate windows and run the client perfectly, but we can't emulate the client. -.-
Maybe you guys should drop Transgaming and get Parallels to work on the emulation, they clearly know what they are doing.
Ha! seconded. And windows is WAY buggier and more complex than Eve. |
Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC
War and Pestilence
9
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:22:00 -
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Seraphina Oriana wrote:Thanks for that Parallels guide. Absolutely amazing that we can emulate windows and run the client perfectly, but we can't emulate the client. -.-
Maybe you guys should drop Transgaming and get Parallels to work on the emulation, they clearly know what they are doing.
I'm glad you liked it. =)
As Blaze InfernoArc pointed out, there were times in which I had no problem at all. I'm a mission runner myself, and I was used to run for hours without trouble. However, one day I had more than ten freezes in less than half an hour, one even at the character selection screen. That was when I gave up and tried the VM.
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Blaze InfernoArc
Ten Thousand Years
2
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:51:00 -
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Day two of regular/heavy play and only two crashes, which is more or less normal. Seriously, what changed?
It certainly wasn't my system. |
Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC
War and Pestilence
12
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Posted - 2012.01.25 16:34:00 -
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Blaze InfernoArc wrote:Day two of regular/heavy play and only two crashes, which is more or less normal. Seriously, what changed?
It certainly wasn't my system.
Interesting... yesterday right after the patch and update #1 I tried to use the Mac client and... well, it froze before I could even undock.
Didn't try anything after that, but I'll give it a go again today. Lets see if it was just bad luck or if something has improved already. |
Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC
War and Pestilence
12
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Posted - 2012.01.25 21:03:00 -
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Hopeless... froze in the first pocket of the first mission I tried to run... |
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