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Marissa Evans
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.03 04:52:09 -
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Hey,
I was running dozens of 4-8/10s in Guristas space in the past two weeks.. Now I moved to angel nullsec with my corp and I tried my first 7/10...
I was running the Gurista sites in a Tengu and it was really really easy , now that I moved into Angel space I have trouble to tank all the incoming DPS..
Before we moved to Angel space I had ~1400DPS tank on my Tengu vs. Guristas , against Angels - no matter what I try - Im getting 700max which simply isnt enough (at least for a 7/10)..
Then there's the damage application.. any tips how to play against Angels? Against Guristas I normally did volleys of ~1500DMG now my volleys are down to 800 (Nova HMs because of the DMG-type of course) which is horribly frustrating as it takes AGES! to pop a Angel BS..
So did I miss anything? Is the Tengu simply to weak against Angels? I only have 12m SP which may be a problem aswell , but if the Tengu isnt the right ship to fly in Angel space , what else then? A HAM Legion?
Please , help me Im desperate as that was my main income and now its more or less gone because I cant solo the DEDs |
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.03 06:04:50 -
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If you have the offensive subsystem to 5 I would give scourge missiles a go, the bonus should compensate for shooting a higher resist. Without knowing your fit it's hard to say what else you may be doing inefficiently. Due to the angel ewar as TP you will have a hard time sig tanking, but you should still use an AB and try to keep transversal up, then you focus the tank on the angel explosive missiles. |
Marissa Evans
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.03 06:16:54 -
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Oops - sorry.
[Tengu, DED Angel (?)] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Gist B-Type Explosive Deflection Field Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 10MN Afterburner II Domination Shield Boost Amplifier
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Thats what Im currently running... Im using the Cap. Reg. Matrix because it (at least) gives me capstable 700DPS tank... DCII for unexpected PVP situations but tbh its not mandatory as there are barely neuts in the systems we took.. |
embrel
BamBam Inc. Outlanders United
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Posted - 2015.01.03 10:32:00 -
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I use scourge against angels. Some angels seem to do some em/therm dmg too btw. I have 2 rigors as rigs and don't need to permarun the booster. No bling on my tengu and I run 7/10 just fine. dC, explo and em hardener & booster. |
Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
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Posted - 2015.01.03 16:08:33 -
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should be shooting scourge, kinetic is angels second weakest resist anyway.
The missiles angels shoot are usually thermal damage. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
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Posted - 2015.01.03 19:52:12 -
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As others have said, use Scourge against Angels.
Also, you want to use the power grid subsystem, as that will give you a sixth launcher.
You should also consider 1x T2 Rigor, 1x T2 Flare, 1x T2 CCC as your rigs. You will get much better damage application. If you lose cap stability and think you must have cap stability, consider a better afterburner or switching over to a Gistum Shield Booster.
The Greatest Ship Ever. Credit to Shahfluffers.
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Marissa Evans
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.03 20:52:59 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:As others have said, use Scourge against Angels.
Also, you want to use the power grid subsystem, as that will give you a sixth launcher.
You should also consider 1x T2 Rigor, 1x T2 Flare, 1x T2 CCC as your rigs. You will get much better damage application. If you lose cap stability and think you must have cap stability, consider a better afterburner or switching over to a Gistum Shield Booster.
Sorry! Fit mentioned above isnt my actual fit - using a RF10mn AB But yeah - gonna test that :) thanks for the advices.. damage is not coming from the missiles anyways , its their projectiles/lasers or whatever theyre using , guess its projectile as theyre flying minmatar ships :P
But yeah , gonna try thermal defl. fields and the damage rigs.. Guess as soon as I dont have the problem with the projectiles anymore I probably dont need the permatank..
If theres more advices - let me hear it please :P
But thanks so far, Marissa |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:18:07 -
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For Angels, I have always done just fine with 1x explosive hardener and 2x invulnerability fields. The thermal resistance on a Tengu is high enough not to worry about it with a specific hardener.
The Greatest Ship Ever. Credit to Shahfluffers.
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Kines Pavelovna
Norman's Meat Market
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Posted - 2015.01.04 21:22:06 -
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I pulled a preliminary list of NPC's and NPC ship datums off of the evewiki and http://eveinfo.com/npcships/ and ran them through http://sisterofeve.ru/gmdc/
Assumptions; Angel 10/10 -Angel Cartel Naval Shipyard DPS is a linear function Targets are moving at their maximum velocity. All skills 5/5. Relevant implants at 5/6.
Per launcher dps using the best ammo/launcher combinations against targets of various classes is;
Destroyer - Gistor Seizer/Thrasher;
Kinetic Damage type - CN HAM = 7 dps. Modified Kinetic dps, for lvl's 4/ 5 controlling skill, is 8.4/8.75 Explosive Damage type - CN HAM or Precision Heavy = 7 dps
Battlecruiser - Gistatis Legatus;
Kinetic Damage type - CN HAM = 15 dps. Modified Kinetic dps, for lvl's 4/ 5 controlling skill, is 18/18.75 Explosive Damage type - CN HAM = 17 dps
Battleship - Gist Throne;
Kinetic Damage type - Rage HAM = 11 dps. Modified Kinetic dps, for lvl's 4/ 5 controlling skill, is 13.2/13.75 Explosive Damage type - Rage HAM = 14 dps
Battleship Commmander - Domination Seraphim;
Kinetic Damage type - CN HAM >= Rage HAM = 10 dps. Modified Kinetic dps, for lvl's 4/ 5 controlling skill, is 12/12.5 Explosive Damage type - CN HAM = 11 dps
Each of these numbers is a minimum of the function at some velocity, signature radius combination hence actual DPS/launcher will be strictly higher.
As the resist profile on a Gist Throne is 58 kinetic 47 explosive it's "technically" more dps to switch to Nova Rage HAMs; practically speaking it's probably less then or equal to Scourge Rage HAM so there's no point in reloading just for the damage.
For practical skill levels (i.e. Caldari Offensive Systems 4 or 5) just use kinetic ammo. Even with Caldari Offensive Systems at level 3 you'll still do more damage with Kinetic damage types most of the time.
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killerlman
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.01.06 03:43:58 -
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Marissa Evans wrote:Hey, I was running dozens of 4-8/10s in Guristas space in the past two weeks.. Now I moved to angel nullsec with my corp and I tried my first 7/10... I was running the Gurista sites in a Tengu and it was really really easy , now that I moved into Angel space I have trouble to tank all the incoming DPS.. Before we moved to Angel space I had ~1400DPS tank on my Tengu vs. Guristas , against Angels - no matter what I try - Im getting 700max which simply isnt enough (at least for a 7/10).. Then there's the damage application.. any tips how to play against Angels? Against Guristas I normally did volleys of ~1500DMG now my volleys are down to 800 (Nova HMs because of the DMG-type of course) which is horribly frustrating as it takes AGES! to pop a Angel BS.. So did I miss anything? Is the Tengu simply to weak against Angels? I only have 12m SP which may be a problem aswell , but if the Tengu isnt the right ship to fly in Angel space , what else then? A HAM Legion? Please , help me Im desperate as that was my main income and now its more or less gone because I cant solo the DEDs
If this could help you to manage your fit (or fits,because of angel 8/10) you can watch videos that i have been made a while ago
Tengu Angel 10/10 Tengu Angel 8/10 Tengu Angel 6/10 Basically all of them can be done without skirmish links that used in videos(its my scout combined with links) Mail me if you want the current fitting. |
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