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Laythun Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.15 14:40:00 - [31] So we needed a thread to whine about CCP not answering whiney threads? are you serious?? Please leave, the door is that way Sig Removed. Some contents are not appropriate for Eve. -ReverendM ([email protected]) Remember to include a copy of your image.See You In Space Cowboy[/url]
Thuul'Khalat Phoenix Wing	Posted - 2006.09.15 14:40:00 - [32] Originally by: Weirda Edited by: Weirda on 15/09/2006 14:38:04 Originally by: Thuul'Khalat I must say, a lot of you don't understand at all. Go play WoW if you want to be flametrolls. I don't whine about the lag, it's ok. **** happens. I'm just pointing out that the seeming lack of communication from CCP is not a very good way to go about ones business. I'm sure the problems will be sorted. They always have so far. But a little communication and public presence would reassure especially the people coming into the game now that this is not normal, and being sorted. what you probably don't get is that would bet DEVs have been putting in 80+hr weeks since just pre-dragon, and you thread whining about their communication is #10 billion and One. Their community manager have been at game conference and just got back, for all we know there is 10 blog on his desk waiting. Apparently for you though signing one of the countless other thread that say EXACTLY what you say isn't good enough. You need to be special and have you own thread. Well - hope you are happy. Weirda don't even know what the hell all the whining is about tbh, but if you are truly concerned about all the unanswered whining - why create another post? you WANT all the people to leave? And this is the point that keep passing right by you... If they spendt 5 minutes posting a proper news item on the front page and login screen, a ton of the threads would be avoided. --- As one life ends, another rises from the ashes. Ingame Channel - "Phoenixpublic"
Thuul'Khalat Phoenix Wing	Posted - 2006.09.15 14:42:00 - [33] read the topic before answering. Several times I've said they should not be answering every topic, but post a message where everyone can see it - the login screen and front page - --- As one life ends, another rises from the ashes. Ingame Channel - "Phoenixpublic"
JOSEPHx Caldari Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2006.09.15 14:45:00 - [34] Some people probably do have issues with eve, there is always some people not happy, personally speaking i have been playing for 2.5 years and still love it as much as the first day i played. ---
Laythun Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.15 14:45:00 - [35] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat read the topic before answering. Several times I've said they should not be answering every topic, but post a message where everyone can see it - the login screen and front page - sigh so this thread was a thread to suggest CCP not answer any threads but post a new item on the front page saying they are looking into the server problems..?? and you couldnt have just put.. CCP, a simple new item during login and on the front page of the forums stating that you are fixing the server problems would stop all the whines. or how bout you just email your great idea to them, then we would have had one less thread. Sig Removed. Some contents are not appropriate for Eve. -ReverendM ([email protected]) Remember to include a copy of your image.See You In Space Cowboy[/url]
Trahern Twrgadarn	Posted - 2006.09.15 15:04:00 - [36] Been playing this game for 4 years and I have learnt that occasionally **** happens, but it always passes. Yes, the lag is pretty bad atm, CCP has this and the new patch to worry about. I think that there are probably more optimizations in kali 1, that's one reason why there not killing BM's straight away and doing various other things. CCP will get through this and eve will be back on top form soon.
Spaja Saist Gallente Isotope Industries	Posted - 2006.09.15 16:01:00 - [37] Originally by: Gonada Edited by: Gonada on 15/09/2006 12:16:29 god , i hate pathetic little whiners like this OP instead of emailing ccp, he runs to the boards and posts crap. leave, dont come back ps. game works fine for me, rarely ever get lag, but then again i know how to optimize a computer, and dont have a crap aptiva, compac ect. your just one on the vocal whiney minority. Judging by the amount of **ed off people on the boards lately I would say you are the minority. Fanboi *****s like you are the ones that need to leave. If it was up to you nothing would get fixed cause no one would complain. Go end yourself and do the world a favor.
Spaja Saist Gallente Isotope Industries	Posted - 2006.09.15 16:08:00 - [38] Edited by: Spaja Saist on 15/09/2006 16:13:59 Originally by: Ranger 1 As politely as I can, let me ask you to not try to speak for the EVE community as a whole... especially the older players. We older players know that this is nothing. Eve has it's ups and downs... and frankly the in-game issues with lag have been far worse in the past. You've been informed on where the Dev responses you so desperately crave can be found. That should pretty much end this nonsense don't you think? I don't blame you for over-reacting when you don't realize or don't know any better. Now, however, you do know better. Get a grip. I call bull****. I've been playing since release and while there have been times when the game was screwed up because of poor QA after a patch release we never had the constant lag that we have today. All the "upgrades" they did haven't changed that. Dragon code didn't lessen the lag. If anything it's worse. It takes forever to open the market or escrow. Even corp hangers and not immune. Whatever they've done it's moved the game backwards not forwards. So I ask you not to speak for the whole community by saying everything is fine.
Grez Minmatar The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.09.15 16:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Spaja Saist Originally by: Gonada Edited by: Gonada on 15/09/2006 12:16:29 god , i hate pathetic little whiners like this OP instead of emailing ccp, he runs to the boards and posts crap. leave, dont come back ps. game works fine for me, rarely ever get lag, but then again i know how to optimize a computer, and dont have a crap aptiva, compac ect. your just one on the vocal whiney minority. Judging by the amount of **ed off people on the boards lately I would say you are the minority. Fanboi ****s like you are the ones that need to leave. If it was up to you nothing would get fixed cause no one would complain. Go end yourself and do the world a favor. And people like you are no better, with your replies - Corp: www.ravenwarriors.com Cache Clearer Still waiting for a Wrangler-edit!*
Spaja Saist Gallente Isotope Industries	Posted - 2006.09.15 16:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Grez Originally by: Spaja Saist Originally by: Gonada Edited by: Gonada on 15/09/2006 12:16:29 god , i hate pathetic little whiners like this OP instead of emailing ccp, he runs to the boards and posts crap. leave, dont come back ps. game works fine for me, rarely ever get lag, but then again i know how to optimize a computer, and dont have a crap aptiva, compac ect. your just one on the vocal whiney minority. Judging by the amount of **ed off people on the boards lately I would say you are the minority. Fanboi *****s like you are the ones that need to leave. If it was up to you nothing would get fixed cause no one would complain. Go end yourself and do the world a favor. And people like you are no better, with your replies I never claimed to be better. But all the people saying everything will be fine are delusional. People are posting and complaining, what you fan boys like to call whining, because they care about the game. Things don't get fixed unless people complain about it. It's that simple. I hope there are 100 more threads complaining about the lag. Maybe then they will do something about it. To put it another way, I no longer believe anything the CCP devs say. Everthing they've done to reduce lag hasn't worked. First they upgrades the RAMSAN saying that this would reduce lag. Well that didn't work. Then they replaced the cluster and said that would fix the problems. Once again that didn't work. Now they say the Dragon code will lesson the lag. Once again all they are doing is lying to their customers. I just don't see why all the fan boys would believe anything CCP says at this point. Personally I think running a game with this many concurrent users is beyond their ability. Maybe it's just that I find it hard to believe people who've lied to me in the past. Either way I hope they eventually get the lag fixed for the sake of EVE. I just won't be holding my breath.
Octacon	Posted - 2006.09.15 16:31:00 - [41] Originally by: Chribba Veldspar Even that has turned sour. I live in an out of the way area- over 100 belts in a 2 jump radius. Used to be full- now empty (a couple of scraps) every day before I even log on. Eve's got other problems which may eventually be worked out but right now the whole game is depressing.
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.15 16:35:00 - [42] Edited by: Isyel on 15/09/2006 16:35:55 What lag? I don't go much to empire, when when i do, rens is lag free. Fleet battles are laggy by default. Normal gameplay -> No lag. Just what the hell is everyone whining about. EDIT - there's one thing i would love to see fixed tho. The UI. Turn it off and suddenly big fights and pos sitting is graphics lag free.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.09.15 16:38:00 - [43] The OP is right.... It is the beginning of the end .. but not of EVE.. it is the beginning of the end for the constant whinage that has been prevalent on the forums over the last couple of weeks.. I think more and more of the player base are as tired of the whining as they are tired of the issues brought about by the Dragon Code. Massive whinage is self-corrective, analogous to a child crying about not getting his favourite coloured lolipop.. eventually the child gets tired of hearing his own voice. I'm sure CCP will fix the major problems with playability.. and if they don't EVE numbers will dwindle.. and all this will happen wether we whine or not.
Calynus Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.15 16:55:00 - [44] Edited by: Calynus on 15/09/2006 16:55:47 Fanboism does more harm than good when it comes to dealing with service-based products. If you have enough rabid fanbois (like the fellow in the post right above mine) blasting everyone who tries to voice a concern, it obscures problems from the company, and angers the targets of the abuse. More problems aren't addressed and people can quit hurting the game. It's self-defeating. But fanbois are fanatics and reasoning with a fanatic is like trying to teach a rock to sing. "Complaining" about a legitimate issue and "whining" are two totally different things. If you can't differeniate between them, then you should do yourself a favor and stay out of discussions where you will just make yourself look like an idiot. The OP was complaining. He pays for a service from CCP and he feels that the service is lacking. He is entitled to complain about it, as long as it's civil and legitimate. In fact, it's a legal right, and an important one that's guaranteed in our legal systems. It's important to note that refusing to purchase a company's products because you are dissatisfied is the ultimate complaint. I agree with what the OP said but I went further and let my subscription lapse until they decide that adequate customer communication and providing an acceptably working product are a priority. And no, fanbois, you can't have my stuff because I may pay for EVE again if they take action to fix the items I am dissatisfied with.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.09.15 17:15:00 - [45] Edited by: Nez Perces on 15/09/2006 17:15:33 Originally by: Calynus Fanboism does more harm than good when it comes to dealing with service-based products. If you have enough rabid fanbois (like the fellow in the post right above mine) blasting everyone who tries to voice a concern, it obscures problems from the company, and angers the targets of the abuse. So I am a fanboy because I am pointing out the bleeding obvious? I just did a rough count of the responses to this thread so far. 27 respondants so far think the OP is overstating his case and is just adding to the constant whining. Only 3 respondants so far agree with the OP. What does that say to you? To me it indicates that the playerbase is tiring of this kind of post. If you really want to concentrate your efforts, go and post on the following thread :Eve is becoming unplayable.. which I have already done, same as you have Calynus. 30 odd threads about the same thing simply dilutes the message you are trying to deliver.
Mrmuttley House of Tempers	Posted - 2006.09.15 17:23:00 - [46] Its the first defence of the whiners to shout FANBOI!!!!111 when anyone dares to disagree. OK call me a fanboi then. I like other posters in this thread also can remember quite clearly times when the lag was a lot worse. Personaly I'm rarely in systems with more than 75 pilots so maybe I dont see the lag much how ever I was in Jita with an alt checking prices etc and lag was there but bearable with 645 pilots in system. This isn't me being a Fanboi ( I hate the word especially with the stupid spelling but hey everyone knows what it means) Its simple fact. As to this being the end of Eve? Last I checked subscriptions were up and we just recently broke the number of players online record. Would the OP please explain how that fits into his "This is the end" equation. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am Dyslexic of Borg. Your ass will be laminated. Originally by: Rod Blaine Eve is not supposed to be fair
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.15 17:29:00 - [47] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 15/09/2006 17:15:33 Originally by: Calynus Fanboism does more harm than good when it comes to dealing with service-based products. If you have enough rabid fanbois (like the fellow in the post right above mine) blasting everyone who tries to voice a concern, it obscures problems from the company, and angers the targets of the abuse. So I am a fanboy because I am pointing out the bleeding obvious? I just did a rough count of the responses to this thread so far. 27 respondants so far think the OP is overstating his case and is just adding to the constant whining. Only 3 respondants so far agree with the OP. What does that say to you? To me it indicates that the playerbase is tiring of this kind of post. If you really want to concentrate your efforts, go and post on the following thread :Eve is becoming unplayable.. which I have already done, same as you have Calynus. 30 odd threads about the same thing simply dilutes the message you are trying to deliver. QFT It's also not my problem if some posters have selective memories concerning the various growing pains that EVE has had. Also, if your definition of a Fan Boi is anyone who disagree's with pointless nitpicking and exaggeration of existing issue because they happen to find current gameplay acceptable and enjoyable... well... I doubt you are going to be happy playing EVE no matter what the state of gameplay. Constructive critisism is good, panic stricken screeching and working yourself (and others) into a tizzy over minor issues is another.
Caztra Tor	Posted - 2006.09.15 17:40:00 - [48] To OP: Your point is very well stated, totally respectful, and on point insofar as the Dev's public responses. I think that CCP must meet these criticisms head on. I'd like to see a blog specifically on Customer dissatisfaction w/ a detailed plan of action. That would satisfy me. But, I do know that CCP is working on the problem and working hard. How? Experience. They always have and they always will put this game first. Now, as for people leaving. Personally, I think, to a certain degree, that would be a good thing. But, that is a selfish sentiment on my part. Like all things -- time will tell and by hook or by crook I will be here after the dust settles.
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.09.15 17:41:00 - [49] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat read the topic before answering. Several times I've said they should not be answering every topic, but post a message where everyone can see it - the login screen and front page - And if they posted such a message about every issue people may possible encounter, then there would be so many no-one would bother reading. Sounds like what you really want is a pop-up when you get out of bed in the morning "Warning: Life does not always go according to plan. Are you sure you want to get up? Yes/No". Originally by: Spaja Saist Judging by the amount of **ed off people on the boards lately I would say you are the minority. Fanboi ***s like you are the ones that need to leave. So the people who enjoy the game are the ones that shouldn't be playing it? Riiiight . Originally by:** Spaja Saist I call bull**. I've been playing since release and while there have been times when the game was screwed up because of poor QA after a patch release we never had the constant lag that we have today. As do I. I remember a period of months when the old highway systems were a no-go area. I remember every weekend GM warnings popping up listing dozens of systems not to go to or you'd get stuck. Did I whine then? Nope, I did what I do now with Jita, find a way around. At least now when a system's overloaded you'll be held in a queue until it can cope, giving you the option to leave and do something else. Back then you'd just fall into the stuck pit with no warning and have to stay there while the GM's worked through the stuck queues 100's deep. Originally by:** Spaja Saist To put it another way, I no longer believe anything the CCP devs say. Everthing they've done to reduce lag hasn't worked. First they upgrades the RAMSAN saying that this would reduce lag. Well that didn't work. Then they replaced the cluster and said that would fix the problems. Once again that didn't work. Now they say the Dragon code will lesson the lag. Once again all they are doing is lying to their customers The trouble is that all these lag reducing measures have come against the background of rapid growth in player numbers, and thus the load being placed on the server. If the server is improved by 20%, but there are 20% more players, then the lag situation will remain exactly the same. That doesn't mean the lag-reducing measures haven't made things better - just imagine what it would have been like if they'd done nothing. One other thing, if you don't trust anything CCP say, why do you give them your money? Why do you install their software on your computer and tell your firewall to trust it? Originally by: Calynus Fanboism does more harm than good when it comes to dealing with service-based products. If you have enough rabid fanbois (like the fellow in the post right above mine) blasting everyone who tries to voice a concern, it obscures problems from the company, and angers the targets of the abuse. More problems aren't addressed and people can quit hurting the game. It's self-defeating. But fanbois are fanatics and reasoning with a fanatic is like trying to teach a rock to sing. People aren't blasting anyone raising a concern. They're blasting people who raise the same concern that has already been raised dozens of times already, and has already been responded to by CCP elsewhere. How fast something can be fixed is not affected one jot by how much people complain about it. CCP are not sitting there drinking beer waiting for the whinage to reach a certain level before starting work on the problems. Excessive complaining can also have it's own detrimental effects - the huge noise of issues they already know about and addressed will drown out the things that actually need their attention. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.09.15 17:42:00 - [50] Originally by: Calynus The OP was complaining. He pays for a service from CCP and he feels that the service is lacking. He is entitled to complain about it, as long as it's civil and legitimate. In fact, it's a legal right, and an important one that's guaranteed in our legal systems. Posting on the forums is not complaining to CCP. It's complaining to the Eve community, in the hope a CCP employee happens to be passing and hears. If people want to complain about community relations, how about doing it to the Community Managers (wrangler and keiron)? You want to complain about the game not working properly, how about complaining to the people who's job it is to fix it (via a bug report)? But no, that wouldn't let them get their 5 minutes of flame on the forums, would it. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Calynus Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.15 18:00:00 - [51] Originally by: Matthew Originally by: Calynus The OP was complaining. He pays for a service from CCP and he feels that the service is lacking. He is entitled to complain about it, as long as it's civil and legitimate. In fact, it's a legal right, and an important one that's guaranteed in our legal systems. Posting on the forums is not complaining to CCP. It's complaining to the Eve community, in the hope a CCP employee happens to be passing and hears. If people want to complain about community relations, how about doing it to the Community Managers (wrangler and keiron)? You want to complain about the game not working properly, how about complaining to the people who's job it is to fix it (via a bug report)? But no, that wouldn't let them get their 5 minutes of flame on the forums, would it. Or give idiot trolls an excuse to fire up the flamethrowers, apparently. And FYI, I did complain when I cancelled the subscription. There's a quaint little feedback form that asks why you cancelled and I filled it out with a polite explanation as to why. This forum is for the players AND the employees of CCP as a means of two-way communication. Often times we are encouraged to use the forums as a means of expressing concerns and ideas to CCP and with the community in general. Or did you conveniently forget this?
Sosus Red Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.15 18:10:00 - [52] DOes the op really think CCP does not want thier game....thier creation...the whole reason for CCPs' existence, to run as best as possible??? I understand people get upset once in a while about this game, I know I have. People have so much time and emotion invested in this game that sometimes people do not think logical. When you stop enjoying the game, take a break. Ive taken 2 6 months + breaks from the game and I come back all refresehed and ready to jump back into the pilots seat. OP, it sounds like its break time for you. any grammar mistakes were intentional. Listen to this cool stationwhile you play
Frash Gallente Eve University	Posted - 2006.09.15 18:11:00 - [53] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat So, the last couple of weeks we have been seeing the game becoming more and more lagged, bordering to completely unplayable. Existing players are outraged, new players get a VERY poor first impression. Now, I think we all know CCP are probably trying to find a solution. Anything else would be commercial hara-kiri, something CCP are not going to do willfully. Still, they're doing just that. Multiple forum threads over several pages, angry and "less than satisfied" paying customers, seem to be completely ignored by CCP. I'm sure they are not, but that is how it appears. No communication, no reassurement that things are being looked into, nothing. To me it bears resemblance of a couple webhosts I have been unfortunate enough to use. When the **** hit the fan and servers started having trouble, instead of dealing with the problem publically, replying to the customers and being professional, they "went underground" No contact, no statements no nothing. Just like EVE atm. Keep this up CCP and you will not reach 50k subscribers, you will start loosing them. Rapidly. I'm sure this thread will be ignored just like the others, maybe even locked or deleted. I'm loosing faith, and I really don't want to. First off, I don't really have any lag, at least no more than any other MMO and I've played some bad ones. SWG, WoW-->IF. Yea. Also, the devs don't have time to troll the forums and look for whiners like you and post. They are trying to fix the problems. MMO's have always been a secretive bunch and EVE isn't any different. People always are left in the dark. Get used to it, or leave, but I'll tell you this its no better at any other MMO. If you no lag, then play a non-MMO game. Don't like EVE-Radio.com? Try ETN.FM or Afterhoursdjs.com
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.09.15 18:16:00 - [54] Originally by: Calynus And FYI, I did complain when I cancelled the subscription. There's a quaint little feedback form that asks why you cancelled and I filled it out with a polite explanation as to why. Then you've already made your complaint, so there's no need to continue it here. Originally by: Calynus This forum is for the players AND the employees of CCP as a means of two-way communication. Yes, CCP employees use the forum too, however it is not the best and most direct way of communicating with them. There are far better ways to get your complaints heard. Originally by: Calynus Often times we are encouraged to use the forums as a means of expressing concerns and ideas to CCP and with the community in general. Or did you conveniently forget this? Did you conveniently forget that when those requests go out, a specific sticky thread is created and designated for that purpose, which the devs specifically monitor? But even with that in place, the moderators still have to work hard to make people use it, as people always seem to feel their opinion on the subject is so important it needs it's own thread, and the Devs should go to their thread, rather than them going to the Devs one. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.15 18:20:00 - [55] Originally by: Calynus Originally by: Matthew Originally by: Calynus The OP was complaining. He pays for a service from CCP and he feels that the service is lacking. He is entitled to complain about it, as long as it's civil and legitimate. In fact, it's a legal right, and an important one that's guaranteed in our legal systems. Posting on the forums is not complaining to CCP. It's complaining to the Eve community, in the hope a CCP employee happens to be passing and hears. If people want to complain about community relations, how about doing it to the Community Managers (wrangler and keiron)? You want to complain about the game not working properly, how about complaining to the people who's job it is to fix it (via a bug report)? But no, that wouldn't let them get their 5 minutes of flame on the forums, would it. Or give idiot trolls an excuse to fire up the flamethrowers, apparently. And FYI, I did complain when I cancelled the subscription. There's a quaint little feedback form that asks why you cancelled and I filled it out with a polite explanation as to why. This forum is for the players AND the employees of CCP as a means of two-way communication. Often times we are encouraged to use the forums as a means of expressing concerns and ideas to CCP and with the community in general. Or did you conveniently forget this? Translation: Don't confuse me with the facts, I'm on a roll... How fortunate for us that you aren't bitter and going on a rant because you cancelled your subscription.
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.15 18:21:00 - [56] You really think devs don't know what's going on, that they don't watch the forums? You have to be blind, really. Ever seen how any thread with a dev post turns out? it's either "plz plz plz <insert whatever>" or you're in for some direct insults towards them. No wonder they don't want to answer.
Mrmuttley House of Tempers	Posted - 2006.09.15 18:21:00 - [57] Originally by: Calynus And FYI, I did complain when I cancelled the subscription. There's a quaint little feedback form that asks why you cancelled and I filled it out with a polite explanation as to why. Which therefore begs the question why do you care anymore? You no longer play so no longer are affected by an lag problems. Quote: This forum is for the players AND the employees of CCP as a means of two-way communication. Often times we are encouraged to use the forums as a means of expressing concerns and ideas to CCP and with the community in general. Or did you conveniently forget this? This forum is mainly for the community. While the Devs to give out information here its mainly for us the players to discuss intergalatic affairs and the like. Let me let you in on something that any person who works in customer services will be able to tell you. Some customers are never satisfied with the level of information given to them. If we got the pop up at the start saying "Yes we know there's lag and we're working on it" then some of the player would carry on with questions like. What are you doing? How many people are working on it? What level of experience do these people have? Shouldn't you be using this programming language instead? Would a different blend of coffee in the canteen improve things? Should they even be drinking coffee? and so on .......... We have had people on the forum question quite seriously the amount of alcohol the devs drink. Personally I think the level of information the Devs give out is just about right. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am Dyslexic of Borg. Your ass will be laminated. Originally by: Rod Blaine Eve is not supposed to be fair
Spaja Saist Gallente Isotope Industries	Posted - 2006.09.15 20:20:00 - [58] Originally by: Spaja Saist Judging by the amount of **ed off people on the boards lately I would say you are the minority. Fanboi ***s like you are the ones that need to leave. So the people who enjoy the game are the ones that shouldn't be playing it? Riiiight . When I say leave I mean stop posting in the "whining" threads you hate so much. If you're tired of them then just ignore them. You don't need to comment about how much you want to suck CCP's . Originally by:** Spaja Saist I call bull**. I've been playing since release and while there have been times when the game was screwed up because of poor QA after a patch release we never had the constant lag that we have today. As do I. I remember a period of months when the old highway systems were a no-go area. I remember every weekend GM warnings popping up listing dozens of systems not to go to or you'd get stuck. Did I whine then? Nope, I did what I do now with Jita, find a way around. At least now when a system's overloaded you'll be held in a queue until it can cope, giving you the option to leave and do something else. Back then you'd just fall into the stuck pit with no warning and have to stay there while the GM's worked through the stuck queues 100's deep. That was during the initial release of the game. The first 6 months were a bit of a pain but everyone expects that when a new mmo is release. This is 3 years later and lag is terrible. And I don't hang around in high sec. Even when I was living in deep in 0.0 there was bad lag. Originally by:** Spaja Saist To put it another way, I no longer believe anything the CCP devs say. Everthing they've done to reduce lag hasn't worked. First they upgrades the RAMSAN saying that this would reduce lag. Well that didn't work. Then they replaced the cluster and said that would fix the problems. Once again that didn't work. Now they say the Dragon code will lesson the lag. Once again all they are doing is lying to their customers The trouble is that all these lag reducing measures have come against the background of rapid growth in player numbers, and thus the load being placed on the server. If the server is improved by 20%, but there are 20% more players, then the lag situation will remain exactly the same. That doesn't mean the lag-reducing measures haven't made things better - just imagine what it would have been like if they'd done nothing. One other thing, if you don't trust anything CCP say, why do you give them your money? Why do you install their software on your computer and tell your firewall to trust it? Actually I cancelled all 3 of my accounts till CCP decides to get their heads out of their asses. Player growth is just an excuse. This should of been taken into consideration when they were projecting there capacity needs. The problem is CCP used to say how their cluster could support up to 100k users. Well we now know what a blatent lie that was. Instead of blasting people who complain you should be happy so many people care about this game.
Spaja Saist Gallente Isotope Industries	Posted - 2006.09.15 20:26:00 - [59] Originally by: Matthew Originally by: Calynus The OP was complaining. He pays for a service from CCP and he feels that the service is lacking. He is entitled to complain about it, as long as it's civil and legitimate. In fact, it's a legal right, and an important one that's guaranteed in our legal systems. Posting on the forums is not complaining to CCP. It's complaining to the Eve community, in the hope a CCP employee happens to be passing and hears. If people want to complain about community relations, how about doing it to the Community Managers (wrangler and keiron)? You want to complain about the game not working properly, how about complaining to the people who's job it is to fix it (via a bug report)? But no, that wouldn't let them get their 5 minutes of flame on the forums, would it. What's the use in complaining to them. They are the biggest liars of the bunch. Their job is to polish the turd CCP hands to us. What I'd really like to know is how does it hurt you for people to post comlaints? If you don't respond to them then they will just fall of the front page. Your need to bash people who are complaining only keeps the thread alive longer. So if you want less complaining then stop posting.
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.15 20:29:00 - [60] I'm actually pretty sure it's not a hardware issue we're having here, the server imo can cope with more than what is currently going on. It's the software. And if you guys really think it's so easy to fix lag in a mmo please, do disclose this incredible miracle to ccp, i'll be your personal slave for a while if you do.

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