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Jayne Fillon
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:51:28 -
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Doomchinchilla wrote:Jayne Fillon wrote: ... but I'm not going to humor someone who harbors nothing but malicious intent towards me.
Would you say that's something common with you? I can't say that Sugar Kyle or Fuzzy Steve have people that have such feelings towards them. It wouldn't be a good quality in a CSM to cause such feelings from the player body. At the end of the day we all know this is a game but if you're the type of person that elicits that response from people it would be detrimental (to all of us) to have you presenting our problems to CCP. I apologize in advance for using argument ad absurdum, but by this logic any CFC candidate - even The Mittani himself - would have been a detriment to the CSM since they have enemies. In a game of conflict, it's impossible to constantly fight and compete with others without making enemies, let alone having everyone still like you.
As for people like Fuzzy, Mike, et al, they do not engage in adversarial play styles so the comparison is moot.
There are many candidates who can present your problems to CCP, and in your specific case Sugar is probably the best one for the job. That being said, the people who I compete against, or who am hostile with, would never find themselves without a voice on the CSM due to my inclusion on the council. I would never purposefully oppose change or try to silence those who I dislike, simply because I dislike them or because in game they are my enemy. This is no different than CFC candidates advocating for the health of the game as a whole rather than the health of their specific coalition.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:55:49 -
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I've gone to a half dozen other CSM threads and criticized just as harshly with many more posts than the ones here. (See Jen's thread.) Also I'm not attempting to "silence" you because I "dislike" you. I'm critiquing your ideas because they're generally bad, just like Jen's. Bam actually had a decent suggestion that concerned NPSI fleets. You don't really have any.
You're avoiding to answer criticism to your platform (or lack there of) by bringing irrelevant, often fantasy notions into the discussion that have nothing to do with the CSM.
"Seraph makes me extremely angry. There, I said it. I'm mad. **** you, Seraph, you worthless maggot." Was your reaction elsewhere simply because I disagreed with some of your ideas. Is this the sort of angry behavior that your voters can expect? Should we place you in the same category as Sort Dragon, Pants and Xenuria when it comes to being able to take criticism?
Heads up bud, people on the CSM are going to disagree with you and pouting your lip and refusing dialogue because "they don't like me! Hmph!" isn't going to get you very far and the opportunity to be a helpful element in the CSM would have been wasted.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.01.23 21:15:40 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post.
Also, as I have stated earlier please refrain from stating the same (counter) arguments or personal opinions over and over again. This is a CSM campaign thread, please keep it civil!
The Rules: 2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
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ISD Ezwal
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
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Posted - 2015.01.24 02:23:43 -
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I enjoy being a social character so i've always lurked in a few channels as i trade.
You ran for CSM last year and i saw you join a few in game channels during your campaign.
The fact you left most of those channels immediately after not getting elected pretty much sums it up.
Trying to make a pound without ever investing a penny into the bank for long term gains?
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Lanctharus Onzo
Alea Iacta Est Universal Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.01.24 02:25:10 -
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Cap Stable Interview:
http://capstable.net/2015/01/24/jayne-fillon/
Writer, Co-host of the Cap Stable Podcast
Twitter: @Lanctharus
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.24 02:58:13 -
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Why do you think anyone has a problem with you meta gaming?
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Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.01.24 04:22:09 -
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It would probably have to do with someone claiming he broke EULA/TOS while meta gaming, an accusation that seemed to hold no merit as he was permitted to run for CSM 9 and has not appeared to be banned in any capacity by CCP themselves.
https://archive.today/24cEG
That same person who has had lots of posts removed for spamming this thread, off-topic discussion, and more both this year and last year.
It's just a guess though.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.24 04:25:30 -
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Literally has nothing to do with anything said here.
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Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.01.24 04:33:43 -
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You asked about why he felt people had an issue with his metagaming. You have a clear history of having an issue with his metagaming as shown in that article where you accused him of breaking the EULA/TOS and that he wasn't fit to run for CSM. You also have had a history of throwing ad hominem at him in this thread and in other threads, spamming his CSM threads and so forth over this public condemnation of his metagaming activities. It's quite relevant, I'm sorry you can't understand that.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.24 04:37:03 -
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Hendrick, this thread isn't about you. Nobody asked you anything.
Shh.
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Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.01.24 04:41:59 -
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Good thing I didn't make it about me, and simply posited the rationale given due to the history and context pertaining to his comments in the interview.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.24 05:09:22 -
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Still not getting it are you? Nobody asked you anything and you're simply trying to derail the discussion.
ISD, clean up aisle four.
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Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.01.24 05:31:31 -
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It provides context for the question Jayne was asked on CapStable. I'm also permitted to post it regardless of if I'm the topic of discussion, because that's how these forums work sweetheart.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.24 06:49:25 -
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Ok well CSM 9 and that discussion has nothing to do with CSM 10. Let me know if anything else needs to be clarified for you.
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Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.01.24 07:31:42 -
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Jayne ran for CSM 9 and partook in metagaming which was brought up in an article accusing him of breaking the EULA/TOS last year. That CSM campaign and condemnation of his metagaming actions was brought up by Capstable in his CSM 10 interview with them. You can stamp your feet saying "it's not relevant to the discussion" but it is, since 1) he was asked about it in the interview and 2) you asked "Why do you think anyone has a problem with you meta gaming?"
The context and history of that discussion are relevant and were provided for the benefit of those interested in reading further. You appear to be upset that shows you have a history of attempting character assassination, spewing ad hominem and more towards Jayne. It's quite pedantic of you really.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.24 07:52:04 -
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Nothing concerning the EULA was mentioned. Did you even listen to the interview? All that is discussed was meta gaming. I asked a simple question about that portion of the interview and here you are ranting about something else. A bit of discernment would do you well.
Now every criticism is character assassination. Right.. htfu
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Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.01.24 09:09:07 -
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Timestamp 21:51 from the interview begins the discussion about the "character assassination" (Lanctharus Onzo's choice of words, not mine) directed at Jayne and his use of metagaming. They directly refer to you and your behavior both this year and last year.
You seem to be upset that I simply provided the additional context to the subject brought up in the interview raised by Lanctharus for the benefit of those reading the thread. It just so happens this context illustrates you have a history of ad hominem attacks (such as the ones ISD Ezwal had to remove in this and other CSM campaign threads), poorly supported accusations of EULA/TOS violations directed towards Jayne. This was all referred to and discussed in the podcast at the timestamp provided. If you take personal issue with that information, as it relates to the discussion in the interview, I suggest you sort it out on your own time in a different venue.
Now, Jayne. Since I know you're reading this thread I'm curious in hearing your take on the New Player Experience and how to improve it so that new players are less likely to be dissuaded from subscribing due to the "they don't know what to do" in the game.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.24 12:14:11 -
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First off he says that "some may call it character assassination" but no where does it specify anything concerning CSM 9. If it did, fine, it doesn't make any difference. Jayne even admitted to doing exactly what I outlined in the article last year, he just differs on the opinion that it's a EULA violation and seems to assume I tried to get him banned. So where is the character assassination?
I'm saying he did X.
He is saying he did X.
I believe A about it, he believes B about it. But X stays the same. Nothing for me to take issue with. Suddenly having an opinion about someone's actions is character assassination but impersonating someone (or "suggesting" an alt of theirs is someone else as Jayne puts it) is just meta. How about this? It's all meta. Action, reaction. Deal with it and htfu.
TIE (This Is Eve)
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Jayne Fillon
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Posted - 2015.01.24 13:13:24 -
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Just woke up Hendrick, I'll respond to your questions after breakfast. Seems there is a lot to catch up on. :P
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.01.24 19:50:53 -
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Good interview with Capstable.
Metagaming +1
TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Koz Katral
Sanctuary of Shadows
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Posted - 2015.01.24 20:18:44 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Good interview with Capstable. At least the first 3/4. I liked your NPSI part and ..... ... totally disagree on the major of nerfing high-sec. Why, because you do not think about both sides and focus purely on the carebears. High-sec has been ****** up enough the last few years. You're saying you want to remove all war decs from highsec. That's like me saying, I want to remove all NPSI groups from Eve, because they are shooting people who have done nothing to them. Have you any idea how stupid that sounds ? Metagaming +1 Ps. You've got a new war
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.01.24 20:59:50 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.
The Rules: 27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
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Jayne Fillon
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Posted - 2015.01.24 21:04:49 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:You're saying you want to remove all war decs from highsec. That's not representative of what I said in the interview. Wars have their place in highsec, as I said.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Doomchinchilla
Collapsed Out Overload Everything
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Posted - 2015.01.24 22:16:15 -
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I have another question about how you would handle a problem if it was harder or things turned badly. To give some back story when you were in Overload Everything, SASH managed our syndicate moons. When things got tough instead of working with us, you turned tail, sold the moons to Nocturnal Romance and falsely blamed it on a rogue director.
So instead of dealing with the problem, you took the easy way out. Is this representative of how you would act as a CSM rep? Or was it all a con from the start, and it was the long game, with meticulous planning that? Which while dirty (AND EVE related) might be a decent way to present it for your CSM campaign. As having the ability to execute such a difficult plan is almost in line with seeing a plan from start to finish as a CSM rep.
So the tldr is; Are you willing to see difficult problems from start to finish, working with those that are with you, or will you take the easy way out and find a scapegoat? |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.01.24 22:40:18 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:You're saying you want to remove all war decs from highsec. That's not representative of what I said in the interview. Wars have their place in highsec, as I stated. EDIT: On the same note as Koz, if you'd actually like to fight just let me know and I'd love to organize something. It'll have to be in lowsec tho, since the majority of us are pirates and can't even go to highsec in the first place. That is what wars are about, right? Fights? And thats exactly my point. You are clueless when it comes to high-sec, but still want to destroy it. How about you stick with something you do know, like the NPSI fleets. That part I did like about your interview, as it was based on facts, not feelings.
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Jayne Fillon
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Posted - 2015.01.25 00:15:33 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Jayne Fillon wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:You're saying you want to remove all war decs from highsec. That's not representative of what I said in the interview. Wars have their place in highsec, as I stated. EDIT: On the same note as Koz, if you'd actually like to fight just let me know and I'd love to organize something. It'll have to be in lowsec tho, since the majority of us are pirates and can't even go to highsec in the first place. That is what wars are about, right? Fights? And thats exactly my point. You are clueless when it comes to high-sec, but still want to destroy it. How about you stick with something you do know, like the NPSI fleets. That part I did like about your interview, as it was based on facts, not feelings. Apparently you don't like jokes, but you do liking helping me make my point.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.25 00:32:09 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:Jayne Fillon wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:You're saying you want to remove all war decs from highsec. That's not representative of what I said in the interview. Wars have their place in highsec, as I stated. EDIT: On the same note as Koz, if you'd actually like to fight just let me know and I'd love to organize something. It'll have to be in lowsec tho, since the majority of us are pirates and can't even go to highsec in the first place. That is what wars are about, right? Fights? And thats exactly my point. You are clueless when it comes to high-sec, but still want to destroy it. How about you stick with something you do know, like the NPSI fleets. That part I did like about your interview, as it was based on facts, not feelings. Apparently you don't like jokes,...
On the contrary, or else none of us would be here.
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Jayne Fillon
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Posted - 2015.01.25 00:39:20 -
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Doomchinchilla wrote:When things got tough instead of working with us, you turned tail, sold the moons to Nocturnal Romance and falsely blamed it on a rogue director [...] instead of dealing with the problem, you took the easy way out. Is this representative of how you would act as a CSM rep? I think there is something very telling about the way you phrase this question. When you say "instead of dealing with the problem," you are referring to the problem as it was defined in game: we were consistently losing fights, and were bleeding towers. The problem - from my perspective - was that the members of my corporation were not enjoying flying with the alliance... and that's putting it nicely. What you see as avoiding "the problem" and taking the easy way out, I see as dealing with our problem in the most immediate way possible - that is, the problem of my corpmates not enjoying the game. I enjoyed flying with OE while it lasted, but my loyalty remains to those who fly with me in SASH.
We were not the first to leave, and you were compensated appropriately. I'm fine with being the scapegoat for the current state of your alliance, but you should temper your disdain.
Doomchinchilla wrote:So the tldr is; Are you willing to see difficult problems from start to finish, working with those that are with you, or will you take the easy way out and find a scapegoat? Yes.
Eve is a game that we play to enjoy, and no one is under any obligation to do anything at anytime for anyone.
CSM, on the other hand, is a serious undertaking that was purpose built to solve difficult problems. I'm not running for the CSM because I want trip to Iceland or because I think it will be fun to sit in meetings during my free time. I'm running for the CSM because I truly believe I can make this game better.
CSM members have a responsibility to those who vote for them, and I will fulfil that responsibility.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.25 00:49:46 -
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That's a bit like robbing the bank of 10 million dollars and sending back $500,000. It isn't the "meta gaming" that's the alarming issue but rather the logic (or lack) employed. It's rather worrisome.
Also, what do you think can be improved upon and adjusted to better incentivize players into subscribing etc.?
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Shey Nabali
Collapsed Out Overload Everything
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Posted - 2015.01.25 02:15:47 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:Doomchinchilla wrote:When things got tough instead of working with us, you turned tail, sold the moons to Nocturnal Romance and falsely blamed it on a rogue director [...] instead of dealing with the problem, you took the easy way out. Is this representative of how you would act as a CSM rep? I think there is something very telling about the way you phrase this question. When you say "instead of dealing with the problem," you are referring to the problem as it was defined in game: we were consistently losing fights, and were bleeding towers. The problem - from my perspective - was that the members of my corporation were not enjoying flying with the alliance... and that's putting it nicely. What you see as avoiding "the problem" and taking the easy way out, I see as dealing with our problem in the most immediate way possible - that is, the problem of my corpmates not enjoying the game. I enjoyed flying with OE while it lasted, but my loyalty remains to those who fly with me in SASH. We were not the first to leave, and you were compensated appropriately. I'm fine with being the scapegoat for the current state of your alliance, but you should temper your disdain. Doomchinchilla wrote:So the tldr is; Are you willing to see difficult problems from start to finish, working with those that are with you, or will you take the easy way out and find a scapegoat? Yes. Eve is a game that we play to enjoy, and no one is under any obligation to do anything at anytime for anyone. CSM, on the other hand, is a serious undertaking that was purpose built to solve difficult problems. I'm not running for the CSM because I want trip to Iceland or because I think it will be fun to sit in meetings during my free time. I'm running for the CSM because I truly believe I can make this game better. CSM members have a responsibility to those who vote for them, and I will fulfil that responsibility.
And I feel you are spineless and incompetent, and will not be voting for you, and will encourage others not to as well.
PS. We're not pissed because you left. Plenty of people have left the alliance and done so gracefully, and we are still friendly with them. What really pissed us off, is the scummy underhanded way you went about it. |
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