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The Golden Serpent
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.07 01:49:56 -
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I love Pvp and gameplay but also roleplay. Roleplaying is challenging and theatrical and it took me alot of years to perfect the style. Imo, it's more difficult to stay IC than maximize stats, so I get why people choose not to do it - it is tougher than just talking about football teams and gear and stats. At end game, for me, the only thing left is roleplay. I see you have a tightknit rp community in your chats and the board Intergalactic Summit, but the problem I am seeing is with the populace at large and how CCP seems to handle disrespectful and disruptive behavior that is outright OOC
My True Amarr character said something stupid in local militia, like "If God wants us to win we will win". Obnoxious, I know, but instead of roleplaying with it I got a huge hostile response from the Caldari and Gallente who were fighting for Amarr. Now saying you should pray or talking about God is perfectly IC for a noob Amarr militia capsuleer. (Not this character, my other one) And saying you are annoyed because you don't believe in God is perfectly IC for Gallente or Caldari.
I got a wall of spam of criticism about "roleplayers" and "Omg LARP is alive" (seriously its not LARPing) and one went so far as to spam "ROLEPLAYING IC" about 3 dozen times creating a wall of text in the chatroom along with some expletives.
In previous games I've played a person would get banned for being blatantly ooc like that, and in World of Warcraft, the servers I played on were RP friendly and everyone who wasnt that good at roleplaying didnt bother roleplayers at all, they just played along with it and had fun. It seemed like the people playing Wow actually liked the lore and the characters.
What's up roleplayers, how do you deal with this hate and is this a bad roleplaying community? |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.01.07 01:55:32 -
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Intergalactic Summit would be a better place for this, NCQA is not an appropriate place for this discussion.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.01.07 01:57:58 -
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The Golden Serpent wrote: is this a bad roleplaying community?
Yeah. Pretty much.
The thing is, I'm not sure why. RP = immersion and immersion makes the game better, in my opinion.
While I don't RP in public, I'm sure doing it quietly to myself. Have been since the first day I logged in.
Mr Epeen
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Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
212
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Posted - 2015.01.07 02:06:39 -
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RP doesn't seem to be popular in Eve Online. I think it gets in the way of everyone's make-believe spaceships game.
CODE. is an interesting example of RP, lol.
There are some active RP groups and corps. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
7017
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Posted - 2015.01.07 02:36:53 -
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This is strictly my opinion... the reason that roleplayers are "not taken seriously" is because....
- past "well known" role players were... ummm... "special snowflakes" that got really "intense" and either ran their communities like evil despots (not in a role playing sense) or outright attacked CCP Developers.
- a lot of role players have asked for mechanics changes for their role playing to "make sense" from their RP perspective... overall gameplay be damned.
- role players tend to take their game WAY too seriously... which is funny for some of us.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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The Golden Serpent
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.07 02:45:43 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Intergalactic Summit would be a better place for this, NCQA is not an appropriate place for this discussion.
Well considering my account is like a week old and I bought year's subscription and I've never played eve before a week ago, and Intergalactic Summit is IN CHARACTER only, I think I have a right to post here.
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The Golden Serpent
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.07 03:03:08 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:The Golden Serpent wrote: is this a bad roleplaying community? Yeah. Pretty much. The thing is, I'm not sure why. RP = immersion and immersion makes the game better, in my opinion. While I don't RP in public, I'm sure doing it quietly to myself. Have been since the first day I logged in. Mr Epeen
Great roleplayers are simply a delight to watch, especially when doing warping and mining. Never had so much twiddling thumb time in a game, ever.
I have to say you have some amazing roleplayers. I was having a lot of fun reading the board and listening to people in the IS chat. You have a lot to be proud of in the rp community you have but the behavior in the rest of the game is something to be ashamed of. I don't care about the excuses of RPer's being nasty, because mechanics people can be just as nasty to game developers (I am not one of those people im pretty easy)
I have to say I have never encountered this sort of hostility towards RP though. I mean even WoW players would just have fun with you if you were on a RP server. Most games do not have a huge community of awesome roleplayers. It takes years to develop the storytelling and acting skills (and typing wpm) to be a great roleplayer.
Before I purchased a subscription I knew that Eve has a bit of a reputation as a male game but im hoping that doesn't mean it's also a neckbeard game.
Ive also noticed a lot of homophobia in the game, like a corp owner REALLY needed to know if I was really a woman. He just kept badgering me about it so I finally said "Yeah I am a female irl but my character might be a tranny I havnt decided yet"
Im a very attractive straight woman in real life and successful and happily married.
What woman wants another player crawling up her ass about what sex she is? I get that enough irl. This is why the game has such a shameful genitalia ratio imo...
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4303
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Posted - 2015.01.07 03:32:32 -
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Anyone that asks your RL gender isn't worth responding to. They are probably a creepy single guy. Even if you were single you'd want to stay away from those ones.
As for the roleplay hostility - I think you might have my alliance to blame for that. We make the occasional enemy, and because our founder is extremely verbose and sometimes makes blog posts in character, we get called roleplayers. (We aren't generally, although members are free to RP if they wish).
This seems to have led to a section of EVE's playerbase saying things like 'CODE. are evil horrible gankers, CODE. are roleplayers'. Say this often enough, and people start linking roleplaying and ganking.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.01.07 03:35:01 -
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No, it has the ratio because it doesn't appeal to the majority of women. It's not like initially it was 50/50 and then the "bad behavior" drove women away; it's always been 95% - 5%. There used to be some women-only corps., including PVP ones, but I'm not sure whether they're still active.
As far as the RP, I think it's blocked by the meta nature of the game; all the politics and backstabbing and posturing on forums and blogs outside the game, the fact that alts and multiple accounts are useful and often used, and the necessity of voice comms for fights pretty much make typing text in-character somewhat pointless.
There are roleplayers; look into Curatores Veritatis Alliance, Ushra'Khan, and others. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8320
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Posted - 2015.01.07 03:37:50 -
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to be fair Sabriz , we have a hand in it aswell
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and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.07 04:09:03 -
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You need to remember that for a certain sort of player to get sufficient epeen in order to avoid depression and killing kittens they have to believe they're having an effect on a real person at the other end. Having a positive effect is too hard so generally the effect they are after is tears, though some deluded souls think they will find the love of their life through gratuitous comments in an online spaceship game.
Regardless, if the intention is to get a response from a real person role-play interferes with that exercise. Even if thir purpose is to get off on some sort of "OMG look at my awesome leet PvP skillz, i rule and you sux bigtime" monent roleplay does not do it for them.
Memphis Baas wrote:No, it has the ratio because it doesn't appeal to the majority of women. It's not like initially it was 50/50 and then the "bad behavior" drove women away; it's always been 95% - 5%. There used to be some women-only corps., including PVP ones, but I'm not sure whether they're still active.
I have some female friends that are serious gamers including a couple of them that run major guilds in other games and they have all seemed interested until they realized the entire game is played from a 3D outside view of the stations and spaceships (with the exception of the useless CQ) . |
Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
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Posted - 2015.01.07 05:18:43 -
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The Eve community has some amazingly well-written, thoughtful material - though there are times that one has do dig for it. There always have been hecklers, and here they gain some small degree of sanction. C'est la liberte.
As for myself, I may be an old-school nerd but I'm certainly no neckbeard. I enjoy the RP aspect very much and Quat's story intertwines with that of Kathyayini Atavuli, his fianc+¬e - played by my own fianc+¬e. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1958
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Posted - 2015.01.07 05:21:38 -
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People get annoyed when there is a discrepancy between the alleged nature of a character and what that character actually does in game.
For example I used to know a guy who liked to roleplay a smuggler. He actually never smuggled a thing in-game in any way whatsoever. As limited as it may be there is a cargo legality system and people do move prohibited goods around space. If he wanted to he could have gone and got involved in drug production and engaged in gameplay that would have validated the character he pretended to be but he didn't. That kind of thing really bothers me.
This is a role playing game, one with an unprecedented level of freedom. You can actually go out and do any of the things that you might want to do if you were an immortal space pilot. But there are a bunch of people who just plain don't, but then pretended that they do via roleplay.
For another example these days I am a mercenary. People pay me and me and the rest of my bros do space violence, but I regularly encounter people who have bios and corp descriptions that expound on how they are rugged, no-nonsense guns for hire, but they've actually never accepted money for their services outside of agent missions and cower in station at the sight of a single flashy red assault frigate when they have 10:1 numerical superiority and average double your SP.
These kinds of folks are common too, I've been encountering them since I originally started playing in 2005 and they boggle my mind. I don't understand how you can play a role playing game and then not play your character in the same way you roleplay your character, the disassociation between gameplay and roleplay people have makes no sense in EVE.
Subsequently whenever I find a group of people that roleplay mercenaries but aren't mercenaries I declare war on them. |
The Golden Serpent
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.07 06:24:17 -
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Great replies I think I have a better picture of the game now and the roleplay dynamic. I guess it's a good thing I don't mind the "hecklers" since I also enjoy tormenting theatre-geek-phobes. I was just really surprised at this odd sour spot in the game which has otherwise been very impressive in both gameplay and community.
I imagine it will change with time. By the way what is up with the green and gold highlighted people in the intergalactic summit chat. Are those moderators or GM-run PCs? |
Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.01.07 08:09:31 -
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Exxxtreme roleplayer checking in.
The Golden Serpent wrote:I love Pvp and gameplay but also roleplay. Roleplaying is challenging and theatrical and it took me alot of years to perfect the style. Imo, it's more difficult to stay IC than maximize stats, so I get why people choose not to do it - it is tougher than just talking about football teams and gear and stats. At end game, for me, the only thing left is roleplay. I see you have a tightknit rp community in your chats and the board Intergalactic Summit, but the problem I am seeing is with the populace at large and how CCP seems to handle disrespectful and disruptive behavior that is outright OOC
My True Amarr character said something stupid in local militia, like "If God wants us to win we will win". Obnoxious, I know, but instead of roleplaying with it I got a huge hostile response from the Caldari and Gallente who were fighting for Amarr. Now saying you should pray or talking about God is perfectly IC for a noob Amarr militia capsuleer. (Not this character, my other one) And saying you are annoyed because you don't believe in God is perfectly IC for Gallente or Caldari.
I got a wall of spam of criticism about "roleplayers" and "Omg LARP is alive" (seriously its not LARPing) and one went so far as to spam "ROLEPLAYING IC" about 3 dozen times creating a wall of text in the chatroom along with some expletives. Basically CCP provide us with an incredible environment to RP and I believe they heavily encourage it with a lot of lore related content.
The problem is though that, at a very generous guess, only 5->10% of the players here are in anyway involved in some form of active roleplay. So whatever way you look at it if you speak IC in almost any local chat in EVE you'll get funny looks or hostile/trolly responses. We just have to deal with it, and if you have a bit of style in the way you post it's easy enough to deflect people like that. RP-critisism is often generic comments that you've likely heard a thousand times before. Just stay in-character, it drives people nuts and sometimes creeps them right out.
I love seeing people like that squirm.
The Golden Serpent wrote:In previous games I've played a person would get banned for being blatantly ooc like that, and in World of Warcraft, the servers I played on were RP friendly and everyone who wasnt that good at roleplaying didnt bother roleplayers at all, they just played along with it and had fun. It seemed like the people playing Wow actually liked the lore and the characters.
What's up roleplayers, how do you deal with this hate and is this a bad roleplaying community? As above, it's simply a numbers thing. While EVE's world is tailored to roleplayers it's gameplay generally attracts another kind of player in greater numbers.
Don't be put off though, I've been RPing here for over four years and EVE has a fantastic RP community full of great writers and roleplayers, interesting (or just downright crazy) characters. There are a lot of ways and places here where you can comfortably indulge in roleplay (local chat not being one of them usually), numerous ingame channels including the summit you've mentioned, the IGS forum, countless private channels, or private chats with other like-minded RPers. There's also some good venues off-site, and you can always express your character's views and experiences in an IC blog (like my own).
You'll also find there are a lot of dedicated roleplay corps. Want to pvp, pve, get into wormholes, fly in null? You'll find RP corps who do all these things while also enjoying heavy roleplay. Get involved in the RP community, get chatting to some other RPers, and you'll soon find yourself being convo'd, dragged into channels, or asked to join a corp.
The Golden Serpent wrote:I imagine it will change with time. By the way what is up with the green and gold highlighted people in the intergalactic summit chat. Are those moderators or GM-run PCs? Not quite sure what you're talking about there unless you mean DUST troopers who're highlighted in a shade of blue in chats by default. The Intergalactic Summit is CCPs roleplay channel, and supposedly moderated by them though I've never seen examples of that. If you haven't already seen it there's also the player-run version called simply The Summit along with it's OOC sister channel called OOC.
Welcome to EVE anyway and don't be put off. Trust me, there's a ton of fun here for us roleplayers.
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
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Posted - 2015.01.07 08:34:47 -
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EVE players roleplay without knowing it. I doubt most of us are maniacal murderers in real life
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8322
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Posted - 2015.01.07 09:34:51 -
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:EVE players roleplay without knowing it. I doubt most of us are maniacal murderers in real life
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
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Posted - 2015.01.07 10:16:58 -
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I came to EVE looking for an RP community and did not find it, but stayed for the PvP and the amazing world.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:EVE players roleplay without knowing it. I doubt most of us are maniacal murderers in real life This.
I suspect a large number of EVE players do not even know what Role Playing is, but still play more believable characters than many hardcore role players in other games, simply because the world is so immersive it pulls them into roles that make sense, even if the fourth wall gets a little blurry in the process. You can successfully stay IC and play a proper character in the middle of it all, though being subtle and avoiding god gaming (making statements about their and other characters and what happens in the world that are not backed by any rules or mechanics, such as "I am the president of that planet over there" or "you are scared of my spooky half-vampire half-unicorn stare") are recommended.
Vimsy Vortis wrote: People get annoyed when there is a discrepancy between the alleged nature of a character and what that character actually does in game.
This is also very very true. Just like in most other MMO's, a lot of vocal role players tend to be god gaming and not sticking to the mechanics and what their character can actually do and the status their character actually has. This tends to annoy a lot of people, including other role players. In serious RPG's people get banned for that ****, but in MMO's it is the norm for some reason. |
Laken Starr
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
68
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Posted - 2015.01.07 10:57:30 -
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I've been a fairly heavy RPer in pretty much every other MMORPG I've played over the years (and that's quite a few). However, Eve has been the one that I've never really had the urge to do so in. As others have alluded, the game is so meta that practically anything you do can be considered IC in some way or another. It's also not a fantasy setting, which eases many of the normal considerations you have to make when RPing. |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5333
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Posted - 2015.01.07 11:22:21 -
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The Golden Serpent wrote:I love Pvp and gameplay but also roleplay. Roleplaying is challenging and theatrical and it took me alot of years to perfect the style. Imo, it's more difficult to stay IC than maximize stats, so I get why people choose not to do it - it is tougher than just talking about football teams and gear and stats. At end game, for me, the only thing left is roleplay. I see you have a tightknit rp community in your chats and the board Intergalactic Summit, but the problem I am seeing is with the populace at large and how CCP seems to handle disrespectful and disruptive behavior that is outright OOC
My True Amarr character said something stupid in local militia, like "If God wants us to win we will win". Obnoxious, I know, but instead of roleplaying with it I got a huge hostile response from the Caldari and Gallente who were fighting for Amarr. Now saying you should pray or talking about God is perfectly IC for a noob Amarr militia capsuleer. (Not this character, my other one) And saying you are annoyed because you don't believe in God is perfectly IC for Gallente or Caldari.
I got a wall of spam of criticism about "roleplayers" and "Omg LARP is alive" (seriously its not LARPing) and one went so far as to spam "ROLEPLAYING IC" about 3 dozen times creating a wall of text in the chatroom along with some expletives.
In previous games I've played a person would get banned for being blatantly ooc like that, and in World of Warcraft, the servers I played on were RP friendly and everyone who wasnt that good at roleplaying didnt bother roleplayers at all, they just played along with it and had fun. It seemed like the people playing Wow actually liked the lore and the characters.
What's up roleplayers, how do you deal with this hate and is this a bad roleplaying community?
First of all...Militia chat is not a RP chat.
It's the common chat for FW people, so if you expected it to be only IC chat...well, that ain't going to happen.
If you want IC chat, you have to get into dedicated RP channels, not "global" channels, as they will automatically have a good bunch of non-RP players.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.07 11:53:11 -
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The Golden Serpent wrote:Before I purchased a subscription I knew that Eve has a bit of a reputation as a male game but im hoping that doesn't mean it's also a neckbeard game.
Ive also noticed a lot of homophobia in the game, like a corp owner REALLY needed to know if I was really a woman. He just kept badgering me about it so I finally said "Yeah I am a female irl but my character might be a tranny I havnt decided yet"
Im a very attractive straight woman in real life and successful and happily married.
What woman wants another player crawling up her ass about what sex she is? I get that enough irl. This is why the game has such a shameful genitalia ratio imo...
EVE actually has quite a sizeable female gamer group.
Hell, they even have their own private club (read: chat channel) to gossip about us men...
As for neckbeards, Yes...we do have them. No not everybody is like that. If you encounter someone who harasses you, walk away / block and ignore him. If it is borderline rule breaking, just report it.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5333
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Posted - 2015.01.07 11:54:25 -
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Confirming that the Dusette family is indeed very heavy into RP.
Now that I think about it, Sol has some kind of forum-RP going on.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5333
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Posted - 2015.01.07 11:58:07 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:No, it has the ratio because it doesn't appeal to the majority of women. It's not like initially it was 50/50 and then the "bad behavior" drove women away; it's always been 95% - 5%. There used to be some women-only corps., including PVP ones, but I'm not sure whether they're still active.
I know a good bunch of female players. Doing anything from low-end miner up to alliance leading and FCing fleets.
I know 3 that I would more then happily throw a ship in their fleet, not cause they are female...becuase they are among the most competent FCs I've flown with.
With good EVE players, all that matters in EVE are your in game actions and your in game reputation...No matter sex, religion, nationality, etc etc.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
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Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
477
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Posted - 2015.01.07 12:17:39 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:This is also very very true. Just like in most other MMO's, a lot of vocal role players tend to be god gaming and not sticking to the mechanics and what their character can actually do and the status their character actually has. This tends to annoy a lot of people, including other role players. In serious RPG's people get banned for that ****, but in MMO's it is the norm for some reason.
God gaming makes me feel as warm as frozen helium. I try to avoid it as much as possible.
Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows
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Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
810
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Posted - 2015.01.07 12:52:12 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Anyone that asks your RL gender isn't worth responding to. They are probably a creepy single guy. Even if you were single you'd want to stay away from those ones.
As for the roleplay hostility - I think you might have my alliance to blame for that. We make the occasional enemy, and because our founder is extremely verbose and sometimes makes blog posts in character, we get called roleplayers. (We aren't generally, although members are free to RP if they wish).
This seems to have led to a section of EVE's playerbase saying things like 'CODE. are evil horrible gankers, CODE. are roleplayers'. Say this often enough, and people start linking roleplaying and ganking.
It's the public image which sticks, not line members. You're a dirty RP'ing ganker, I'm a dirty blobbing F1 monkey carebear, everyone in hisec is risk averse "elite pvp'er" or a mission running bot and everyone in lowsec is a bloodthirsty pirate which will plunder your captain's quarter for the TV as he smashed his own one. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.07 12:52:28 -
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On the subject of female capsuleers , iv known 3, all mercs, all scary meany faced witches with better killboards than mine. We have one in Corp at the minute and she's ruthless.
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and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
12982
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Posted - 2015.01.07 13:10:08 -
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What's roleplaying??
*wiggles*
The magic of sex and erotics unites everyone!!
ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOBOOBS!!!
Ralph King-Griffin > **** you sol, years, ****ing years since thats happend
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Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
12982
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Posted - 2015.01.07 13:14:22 -
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J'Poll wrote:Confirming that the Dusette family is indeed very heavy into RP. Now that I think about it, Sol has some kind of forum-RP going on. <.<
>.>
<.<
No idea what you are talking about!!
Ralph King-Griffin > **** you sol, years, ****ing years since thats happend
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
13062
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Posted - 2015.01.07 13:18:00 -
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I am the roleplayer your ShahFluffers warned you about.
=ƒÉÆ I am a banana.
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
2661
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Posted - 2015.01.07 13:20:26 -
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I think what the girl two posts above, to whom I deny any connection whatsoever, is trying to say is that it depends on what you do and how you transport the message.
I RPd an outlaw n 2012 and I had absolutely no issues with my public image. People loved me.
When you are an ******* people simply will call you an *******.
RP in general is still on it's way of getting pushed, even though the failures of CODE are doing their counterproductive crap.
It's all a matter of perception and manipuall glory to the hypnoboobs!
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Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!
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