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Aroye
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.07 15:43:04 -
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My alt is a solo cloaky ganker, operating anywhere outside of highsec. I'm trying to decide which ship to train for. Stratios or T3 (Loki or Tengu). Obviously both ships have certain advantages. I just can't decide which one to focus on first. I have been especially successful with stealth bombers, but now I want to move up to hunting stronger targets. Like rat farmers and explorers in w-space.
Therefor I need:
1. a cloak. I always surprise attack, and I must able to escape quickly, as I am solo.
2. enough fire power and tank to kill a similar cruiser or T1 battlecruiser.
3. probe scanning is no issue as I run 2 clients. One does the scanning in a COps frigate, the other the killing. I also carry a mobile depot if I must switch to a scanner on the killer ship.
As for training time it would take longer for me to properly fly a Stratios than a Loki or Tengu. Would it be worth training an extra month or more for a Stratios (I don't have medium lasers, Gallantte or Amar cruiser skills)?
Cost effectiveness is also something I want to consider when deciding. Survivability is more important to me than getting kills.
I would appreciate any thoughts or advice from players experienced with both ships.
Thank you.
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Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
142
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Posted - 2015.01.07 16:23:39 -
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Aroye wrote:My alt is a solo cloaky ganker, operating anywhere outside of highsec. I'm trying to decide which ship to train for. Stratios or T3 (Loki or Tengu). Obviously both ships have certain advantages. I just can't decide which one to focus on first. I have been especially successful with stealth bombers, but now I want to move up to hunting stronger targets. Like rat farmers and explorers in w-space.
Therefor I need:
1. a cloak. I always surprise attack, and I must able to escape quickly, as I am solo.
2. enough fire power and tank to kill a similar cruiser or T1 battlecruiser.
3. probe scanning is no issue as I run 2 clients. One does the scanning in a COps frigate, the other the killing. I also carry a mobile depot if I must switch to a scanner on the killer ship.
As for training time it would take longer for me to properly fly a Stratios than a Loki or Tengu. Would it be worth training an extra month or more for a Stratios (I don't have medium lasers, Gallantte or Amar cruiser skills)?
Cost effectiveness is also something I want to consider when deciding. Survivability is more important to me than getting kills.
I would appreciate any thoughts or advice from players experienced with both ships.
Thank you.
Stratios all the way. You just need good drone skills. For guns, you can stick any guns you like on since it doesn't have a direct damage bonus.
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Aroye
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2015.01.07 17:43:25 -
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Stratios all the way. You just need good drone skills. For guns, you can stick any guns you like on since it doesn't have a direct damage bonus. [/quote]
Doesn't the interdiction nullifier make it much easier to get around? Especially in nullsec. Or is it not a game changer in the long run? |
Quanah Comanche
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2015.01.07 17:52:28 -
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Aroye wrote:Stratios all the way. You just need good drone skills. For guns, you can stick any guns you like on since it doesn't have a direct damage bonus.
Doesn't the interdiction nullifier make it much easier to get around? Especially in nullsec. Or is it not a game changer in the long run?[/quote]
If you are running two accounts in null, make one a scout. |
Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
808
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Posted - 2015.01.07 19:02:46 -
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if u have a scanning alt, the answer is always ishtar. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
901
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Posted - 2015.01.07 19:09:42 -
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Tengu is NOT a great all purpose gank ship. You'de really need to be selective. Loki is NOT known for great DPS either. Though I have seen good tank in both of them. |
Quanah Comanche
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2015.01.07 20:05:35 -
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Ishtar is best with an alt. Pure solo cloaky ganker, I prefer a Proteus. |
Aroye
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2015.01.07 20:19:50 -
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Quanah Comanche wrote:Ishtar is best with an alt. Pure solo cloaky ganker, I prefer a Proteus.
But why? The reasoning behind it is what counts.
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Chris Winter
Winters Are Coming
592
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Posted - 2015.01.07 20:52:02 -
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Proteus has the highest dps of the cloaky T3s while maintaining good tank. Tengu probably comes in second, and in addition allows full damage type selection (in cloaky configuration). Loki and legion, as I understand it, are not worth having in cloaky configuration.
Stratios can do more damage than the proteus, but also suffers from a very thin tank compared to the T3s. It can have a bit more utility, though--unlike the T3s, it can have its highslots full of neuts and still have good damage, and that much neut pressure can be bad news for your victims. |
atomic killer
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.01.07 20:53:35 -
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Aroye wrote:Quanah Comanche wrote:Ishtar is best with an alt. Pure solo cloaky ganker, I prefer a Proteus. But why? The reasoning behind it is what counts.
up to 300 000 hp...web, scrambl... |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8333
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Posted - 2015.01.07 21:45:55 -
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Train for a proteus, and a legion, fly a stratios till you're training finishes.
I'm not saying the legion is good cloaked (it really isn't Barr neut fits) but it's along the way and can be great solo. the proteus however is the t3 you're going to want for solo cloaked ganking.
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Janeway84
Def Squadron Pride Before Fall
132
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Posted - 2015.01.08 09:48:52 -
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Prot tankiest and most dps but with alot of ship rebalancing happening its not sure its gonna stay ontop in the long rung. If you run 2 alts both with cloaky t3's i dont think it matters wich ones you bring but loki and prot or loki and tengu is prob good either way.
Stratios is very awesome in its utility but as others said its not as tanky as t3's. But you can mix your drones and high slots around and mids to have neuts, nos , guns , different ewar and different damage types of drones. |
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1104
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Posted - 2015.01.08 11:09:53 -
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Degnar Oskold wrote:Aroye wrote:My alt is a solo cloaky ganker, operating anywhere outside of highsec. I'm trying to decide which ship to train for. Stratios or T3 (Loki or Tengu). Obviously both ships have certain advantages. I just can't decide which one to focus on first. I have been especially successful with stealth bombers, but now I want to move up to hunting stronger targets. Like rat farmers and explorers in w-space.
Therefor I need:
1. a cloak. I always surprise attack, and I must able to escape quickly, as I am solo.
2. enough fire power and tank to kill a similar cruiser or T1 battlecruiser.
3. probe scanning is no issue as I run 2 clients. One does the scanning in a COps frigate, the other the killing. I also carry a mobile depot if I must switch to a scanner on the killer ship.
As for training time it would take longer for me to properly fly a Stratios than a Loki or Tengu. Would it be worth training an extra month or more for a Stratios (I don't have medium lasers, Gallantte or Amar cruiser skills)?
Cost effectiveness is also something I want to consider when deciding. Survivability is more important to me than getting kills.
I would appreciate any thoughts or advice from players experienced with both ships.
Thank you.
Stratios all the way. You just need good drone skills. For guns, you can stick any guns you like on since it doesn't have a direct damage bonus.
or no guns. they add little dps with no bonus so neuts to turn off active tanks are an option.
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Aroye
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2015.01.08 12:41:48 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Train for a proteus, and a legion, fly a stratios till you're training finishes.
I'm not saying the legion is good cloaked (it really isn't Barr neut fits) but it's along the way and can be great solo. the proteus however is the t3 you're going to want for solo cloaked ganking.
You're right, I tried fitting on EFT, I was able to get much better results with a cloaky proteus compared to a cloaky loki. I never thought there could be such a big difference. These t3's are really begging for some balance! Stratios on the other hand has great dps, but less tank.
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Aroye
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2015.01.08 12:58:19 -
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[quote=Janeway84]Prot tankiest and most dps but with alot of ship rebalancing happening its not sure its gonna stay ontop in the long rung. If you run 2 alts both with cloaky t3's i dont think it matters wich ones you bring but loki and prot or loki and tengu is prob good either way.
Yes that t3 rebalance that's coming up could drastically spoil my training plan. It might be better to stick with a Stratios until we have some info. Astero is good practice for the ship too.
My alt is a scout/scanner/spy, that only provides info to my hunter alt, and has no combat training. Just maxed out scanning and support skills. So I must chose a good cloak attack ship. |
Fenris Orion
Rapid Withdrawal
26
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Posted - 2015.01.09 12:21:19 -
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Astero = Cloaky Tristan. Fantastic scout and solo hunter. I prefer a kitey fit for safety, flies like a comet with 3 full flights of drones. Safe to engage anything you know won't be fast enough to web you, can solo Destroyers and Cruisers if flown well.
Stratios = Cloaky Vexor. As mentioned, not the tankiest, but very nice drone dps for a Cov-ops boat. Geckos, Ogres, and Gardes can all dish out 500+dps. Costs as much as a T3, and can't generally compete 1v1 with them (though the mention of an all-neutralizer Stratios is viable. Probably more so than the Pilgrim, due to the massive drone bay and 5/5/5 slot layout).
Covert Proteus = Undisputed champion of Cov-ops ambushes. High blaster dps, extended scram range, and outrageous armor potential. Downside is that a plated Proteus is very slow, can be vulnerable to neuting, and gets no tracking bonus.
Covert Loki = low on-paper dps is offset by guns that track well and an extended-web bonus. Dual-web / artillery fit seems to be pretty effective, especially paired with another damage dealer (Proteus/Loki make a phenomenal team). Autocannons can allow for a dual-1600mm plate fit that can rival the Prote for defenses, or the unstoppable 100mn afterburner can be an option.
I can't speak for the remaining T3s. I've heard of the same 100mn afterburner tactic used on Tengus, but that may be out dated. Legions seem to be the least popular in my corner of Eve, but they've been seen here and there.
Good luck! |
Torothin
TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
260
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Posted - 2015.01.09 15:08:06 -
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A cloaky/nulli Loki can hunt in almost any region and has the damage types to be an extremely effective ganking ship of you're strictly targeting ratters. Proteus is good but restricted on damage types. If you have the skills and by skills I mean good skills the Loki is a great choice for solo/cloaky ganking. You will also need hard wiring implants if you choose to go the Loki route.
There is a guy I play with that can take down ratting battleships solo in his 425 cloaky/nulli loki. The next choice is the Stratios. While having great DPS it is also not nullified thus leading to your demise eventually when you hit that camp and or bubble. There are also stealth bombers which can solo ishtars and battleships. I am surprised you have not considered that as an option. |
Torothin
TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
260
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Posted - 2015.01.09 15:09:15 -
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Fenris Orion wrote:Astero = Cloaky Tristan. Fantastic scout and solo hunter. I prefer a kitey fit for safety, flies like a comet with 3 full flights of drones. Safe to engage anything you know won't be fast enough to web you, can solo Destroyers and Cruisers if flown well.
Stratios = Cloaky Vexor. As mentioned, not the tankiest, but very nice drone dps for a Cov-ops boat. Geckos, Ogres, and Gardes can all dish out 500+dps. Costs as much as a T3, and can't generally compete 1v1 with them (though the mention of an all-neutralizer Stratios is viable. Probably more so than the Pilgrim, due to the massive drone bay and 5/5/5 slot layout).
Covert Proteus = Undisputed champion of Cov-ops ambushes. High blaster dps, extended scram range, and outrageous armor potential. Downside is that a plated Proteus is very slow, can be vulnerable to neuting, and gets no tracking bonus.
Covert Loki = low on-paper dps is offset by guns that track well and an extended-web bonus. Dual-web / artillery fit seems to be pretty effective, especially paired with another damage dealer (Proteus/Loki make a phenomenal team). Autocannons can allow for a dual-1600mm plate fit that can rival the Prote for defenses, or the unstoppable 100mn afterburner can be an option.
I can't speak for the remaining T3s. I've heard of the same 100mn afterburner tactic used on Tengus, but that may be out dated. Legions seem to be the least popular in my corner of Eve, but they've been seen here and there.
Good luck!
No just no. If you're going to hunt with a Loki you need to go with an XL ancil shield booster and dedicate your lows to gyros and a nano. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8364
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Posted - 2015.01.09 15:49:28 -
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Fenris Orion wrote: I can't speak for the remaining T3s. I've heard of the same 100mn afterburner tactic used on Tengus, but that may be out dated. Legions seem to be the least popular in my corner of Eve, but they've been seen here and there.
100mn ham legion is quite good.
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Lloyd Roses
786
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Posted - 2015.01.09 18:08:30 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Tengu is NOT a great all purpose gank ship. You'de really need to be selective.
I'm ganking anything from frigates to RR-BS gangs with a 100mn HAMgu, let me tell you: it is the one generalist you can buy for ISK. No other ship has a 500+ ehp/s one-slot tank, 750+ dps and goes 2.5km/s with an AB on. It requires a scout/linkalt though.
If you're solo, just get a stratios (both shieldfit and singlerep, like centum c-type, work fine) and make sure you got a point and not a scram. Refit to scram when you're expecting to go up against MJD'ing ships, in that case keep point and burn in for a single scramactivation when you see the MJD animation light up.
Taking a stratios into scramrange is how people lose their ships.
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Adolph Weltschmerz
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2015.01.09 18:21:04 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:RavenPaine wrote:Tengu is NOT a great all purpose gank ship. You'de really need to be selective.
I'm ganking anything from frigates to RR-BS gangs with a 100mn HAMgu, let me tell you: it is the one generalist you can buy for ISK. No other ship has a 500+ ehp/s one-slot tank, 750+ dps and goes 2.5km/s with an AB on. It requires a scout/linkalt though. If you're solo, just get a stratios (both shieldfit and singlerep, like centum c-type, work fine) and make sure you got a point and not a scram. Refit to scram when you're expecting to go up against MJD'ing ships, in that case keep point and burn in for a single scramactivation when you see the MJD animation light up. Taking a stratios into scramrange is how people lose their ships.
Feel like posting your tengu fit?
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Fenris Orion
Rapid Withdrawal
27
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Posted - 2015.01.09 20:11:40 -
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Torothin wrote:
No just no. If you're going to hunt with a Loki you need to go with an XL ancil shield booster and dedicate your lows to gyros and a nano.
There's always more than one-way to skin a cat. Armor Loki can easily get 80-130k ehp, which is plenty to outlast most T1 ships. What happens when your X-LASB has to reload? Also, armor affords the dual-web arty fit to sit out beyond the reach many other weapon systems, or forces them to use low-damage ammo.
I fly the Proteus and recently the Stratios, myself, but I've seen armor Loki's do great work. Don't knock it till you try it... |
Sylveria Relden
Relden Enterprises
43
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Posted - 2015.01.10 01:28:40 -
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Value per isk alone- Stratios is your ship. Lots of base bonuses for everything, really decent tank, etc. If you've got good drone skills it's really going to shine for you. If not, well... T3 is more likely going to be better.
By the time you soak up expenses with just hull and subsystems alone for the T3 you've blown enough to buy 3-4 Stratios hulls. (Not to mention no subsystem SP loss, etc... ok, well I just did mention it) If isk is really no object- and you don't care about SP loss then T3 is always an option.
I also look at it this way, too- Stratios being least expensive if you try it and lose or it doesn't work- you're not out 500m+ minimum just for a hull alone. :) |
Aroye
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2015.01.10 02:14:35 -
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Torothin wrote:A cloaky/nulli Loki can hunt in almost any region and has the damage types to be an extremely effective ganking ship of you're strictly targeting ratters. Proteus is good but restricted on damage types. If you have the skills and by skills I mean good skills the Loki is a great choice for solo/cloaky ganking. You will also need hard wiring implants if you choose to go the Loki route.
There is a guy I play with that can take down ratting battleships solo in his 425 cloaky/nulli loki. The next choice is the Stratios. While having great DPS it is also not nullified thus leading to your demise eventually when you hit that camp and or bubble. There are also stealth bombers which can solo ishtars and battleships. I am surprised you have not considered that as an option.
I have so many fantastic solo stealth bomber kills that I lost count. It's just about all I fly these days. But I want to expand my kill spectrum. A stealth bomber is useless against a lot of ships I run into.
Btw, how do kill an Ishtar with a stealth bomber? It's a drone ship! |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8382
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Posted - 2015.01.10 09:53:12 -
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Aroye wrote:
Btw, how do kill an Ishtar with a stealth bomber? It's a drone ship!
with difficulty.
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and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
71
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Posted - 2015.01.10 11:02:01 -
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cloaky proteus: 441 dps with void, cold. 534 tank (cold), 33k ehp, no cap warfare
stratios: 728 dps cold with 4 pulse lasers, 656 if you drop 2 lasers and slap some nasty cap warfare. 530 tank (cold) with strong exile (not a choice for a proteus, can't risk the tracking penalty), 17k ehp. faster than proteus, can select damage with drones losing some dps. Or go with an insane >1000 tank trading for a sub 500 dps. Also less pricey
basically, no reason not to fly stratios unless you need interdiction nullifier (low sec, or you have a scout) |
Lloyd Roses
788
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Posted - 2015.01.10 15:58:59 -
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Adolph Weltschmerz wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:RavenPaine wrote:Tengu is NOT a great all purpose gank ship. You'de really need to be selective.
I'm ganking anything from frigates to RR-BS gangs with a 100mn HAMgu, let me tell you: it is the one generalist you can buy for ISK. No other ship has a 500+ ehp/s one-slot tank, 750+ dps and goes 2.5km/s with an AB on. It requires a scout/linkalt though. If you're solo, just get a stratios (both shieldfit and singlerep, like centum c-type, work fine) and make sure you got a point and not a scram. Refit to scram when you're expecting to go up against MJD'ing ships, in that case keep point and burn in for a single scramactivation when you see the MJD animation light up. Taking a stratios into scramrange is how people lose their ships. Feel like posting your tengu fit? A
It's a regular 5 launcher HAMgu... Second web is sometimes a scram or an invuln depending on how much return fire or mjd is expected. Needs a 5% PG imp. Wouldn't do *Elite-solo-pvp* with it, but it's very good for ganking ships with poor tracking running sleeper sites.
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Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Core B-Type 100MN Afterburner True Sansha Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Medium 'Gattotte' Capacitor Booster Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
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Fenris Orion
Rapid Withdrawal
28
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Posted - 2015.01.10 21:48:29 -
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Doctor Knuckles wrote:cloaky proteus: 441 dps with void, cold. 534 tank (cold), 33k ehp, no cap warfare. there are probably mroe effective fits, i'm not an expert on cloaky proteus, but this one's good enough and largely used. Also pretty pricey
stratios: 728 dps cold with 4 pulse lasers, 656 if you drop 2 lasers and slap some nasty cap warfare. 530 tank (cold) with strong exile (not a choice for a proteus, can't risk the tracking penalty), 17k ehp. faster than proteus, can select damage with drones losing some dps. Or go with an insane >1000 tank trading for a sub 500 dps. Also less pricey
basically, no reason not to fly stratios unless you need interdiction nullifier (low sec, or you have a scout)
Mmm, I disagree with that last statement. I'm no expert either, but what I do know I learned the hard way.
A Cov-ops Proteus fit entirely with T2 modules should be getting 550dps minimum, cold. 3% surgical strike and 5% med hybrid implants are fairly cheap and push you through 630dps. Active-repping a Proteus for PvP is inadvisable, I think. Too easy to get alpha'ed through or ganged up on by reinforcements. A solid T2 buffer tank (including T2 rigs) can easily push beyond 100,000 ehp. These things considered, I think you get what you pay for.
Also, the Proteus hull and subsystems are much higher priced than the last time I looked, and the Stratios has been coming down in price a bit very recently.
I'd advise to choose between ships based on the style of combat you prefer. |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
73
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Posted - 2015.01.10 22:53:54 -
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Fenris Orion wrote:Doctor Knuckles wrote:cloaky proteus: 441 dps with void, cold. 534 tank (cold), 33k ehp, no cap warfare. there are probably mroe effective fits, i'm not an expert on cloaky proteus, but this one's good enough and largely used. Also pretty pricey
stratios: 728 dps cold with 4 pulse lasers, 656 if you drop 2 lasers and slap some nasty cap warfare. 530 tank (cold) with strong exile (not a choice for a proteus, can't risk the tracking penalty), 17k ehp. faster than proteus, can select damage with drones losing some dps. Or go with an insane >1000 tank trading for a sub 500 dps. Also less pricey
basically, no reason not to fly stratios unless you need interdiction nullifier (low sec, or you have a scout) Mmm, I disagree with that last statement. I'm no expert either, but what I do know I learned the hard way. A Cov-ops Proteus fit entirely with T2 modules should be getting 550dps minimum, cold. 3% surgical strike and 5% med hybrid implants are fairly cheap and push you through 630dps. Active-repping a Proteus for PvP is inadvisable, I think. Too easy to get alpha'ed through or ganged up on by reinforcements. A solid T2 buffer tank (including T2 rigs) can easily push beyond 100,000 ehp. These things considered, I think you get what you pay for. Also, the Proteus hull and subsystems are much higher priced than the last time I looked, and the Stratios has been coming down in price a bit very recently. I'd advise to choose between ships based on the style of combat you prefer.
Good points. It's that i absolutely detest armor buffer for solo work. 500something with AB on not being webbed... eeeh... not really in my comfort zone for a blaster brawler xD |
Adolph Weltschmerz
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2015.01.11 15:08:10 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Adolph Weltschmerz wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:RavenPaine wrote:Tengu is NOT a great all purpose gank ship. You'de really need to be selective.
I'm ganking anything from frigates to RR-BS gangs with a 100mn HAMgu, let me tell you: it is the one generalist you can buy for ISK. No other ship has a 500+ ehp/s one-slot tank, 750+ dps and goes 2.5km/s with an AB on. It requires a scout/linkalt though. If you're solo, just get a stratios (both shieldfit and singlerep, like centum c-type, work fine) and make sure you got a point and not a scram. Refit to scram when you're expecting to go up against MJD'ing ships, in that case keep point and burn in for a single scramactivation when you see the MJD animation light up. Taking a stratios into scramrange is how people lose their ships. Feel like posting your tengu fit? A It's a regular 5 launcher HAMgu... Second web is sometimes a scram or an invuln depending on how much return fire or mjd is expected. Needs a 5% PG imp. Wouldn't do *Elite-solo-pvp* with it, but it's very good for ganking ships with poor tracking running sleeper sites. Quote:[Tengu, ****]
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Core B-Type 100MN Afterburner True Sansha Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Medium 'Gattotte' Capacitor Booster Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst The one super-important but overlooked thing: 14.5sec aligntime, 3.5km/s OH, 64mil mass --> Makes Rattles fly about 20km. Hit two bumps and you got all the time in the world without reps boatin back into range.
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