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Verone
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Posted - 2006.09.18 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mynas Atoch You will NOT prevail.
So you keep saying... and we're still here.
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Tizi
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.09.18 16:46:00 -
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This has got to be the funniest post ever. Pirates who do nothing but attack folks in Providence. Then claim that because locals fight back, that the Pirates will continue to harass them. Oh and buy the way, give us Pirates 30 billion to fund our efforts. Simply hilarious.
The only parasites in life that survive, are those wise enough not to cripple their hosts. Pirate corps would do well to remember this.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Mynas Atoch You will NOT prevail.
So you keep saying... and we're still here.
Well its not hard to sit at a POS. I thought you were meant to be taking an outpost?
Sorry to break it to you but roaming inty gangs don't do that.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
So much hate, so much badmouthing... It's good to see we're doing our job.
Hehe.
Now, correct me if I am wrong, but isnt your 'job' to take the outpost? And have you not failed to do this? In fact, isn't the U'K sovereignty claim STRONGER than it was before you began your campaign?
There is no hate here, just a few raised eyebrows at your delusional posting and frankly comical ransom demand. Try winning the battle before you try ransoming, or you might just find you look rather... 'silly'.
Here is a suggestion: why don't the pirate ego brigade accept an obvious defeat, and move on while they still have some residue of dignity.
You'll not take the outpost, you're not capable. Go back to what you are good at.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Chode Rizoum We use the base isk price. set by the griefwatch boards. like the dread maggot lost yesteday. is 1,637,385,676 ISK.
I'm not familiar with griefwatch, never did like killboards. Does this mean you're counting battleship kills at about 100m?
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Mangold
Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Endless Edited by: Endless on 18/09/2006 15:16:18 Edited by: Endless on 18/09/2006 15:08:58
Originally by: Mangold The FZN killboard is a joke. Last time I checked it (4 days ago) approx 50% of your losses were missing. That is only 50% of the losses I found on U'K killboard and personally know of where posted on the FZN killboard.
Anyway, killboards deosn't tell the whole story. By the looks of it we still hold Unity and you don't.
Ok step up and send us the missing mails, we will happily post them and repremand the offending pilot. Or are you going to rely on someone else to do this simple task for you aswell? After all my years of war I generaly find when all the enemy is bickering about missing killmails, they have alot more to worry about then a few missing points on a killboard.
Done. Could we now leave the killboards away from this thread?
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Ange1
Gallente The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:34:00 -
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Personally, I think its all good. Much of the South is uniting against us evil pirates and I think thats marvellous... regardless of the outcome. Even polar opposite enemies (CVA/UK) seem to have put aside differences enough to combat the threat we're presenting. We can all agree the Lag has ruined many areas of this conflict, which is a great shame.
On another note, less arguing, less smack, more fighting (to all concerned).
The Establishment is at your service...
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ange1 Even polar opposite enemies (CVA/UK) seem to have put aside differences enough to combat the threat we're presenting.
To Clear things up, we have definatly not put aside our differences with CVA.
If any CVA pilots enter our territory it will not be unchallenged by us. Our ability to combat the CVA has been reduced since your arrival and our focus has been diverted. This is all.
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Verizana
The Kru Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:04:00 -
[99]
^^ arrrr
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Zlobodan Dahr
Minmatar Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:08:00 -
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Ange1
Gallente The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:10:00 -
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My bad, I had heard down the grapevine that you had agreed to not shoot each other while this was going on or at least avoid each other.
The Establishment is at your service...
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Verone It's humerous to see that the very people we fight allow our corporation to more than pay for our losses, and make a healthy profit without lifting a finger.
Since the start of this battle, the ISS has personally destroyed more in isk value of your ships than was paid out to shareholders on IPOs. Claiming that the ISS shares are paying for 100% of your collective losses is incorrect, unless you meant specifically Veto. We know how much is paid out and when.
I checked your killboard, and I believe you are misappropriating data from it. You said yourself that you have "inflicted over 16 billion ISK in damage on Ushra'Khan", while your killboard doesn't provide information on actual isk damage inflicted. Your killboard shows the raw market value of all destroyed items and ships, ignoring insurance (even the standard 40% insurance you get for free). You took a value for the base cost of everything destroyed, a commonly used measurement for comparing two enemies, and tried to use it to suggest that ushra Kahn are 16 billion isk in the hole since this started. They, in fact, are not.
You know as well as I do that people reading that first post are going to think you're saying that Ushra Kahn have lost 16 billion. Whether you said that deliberately or it was a poor choice of words will determine your honesty, though I'd err on the side of you being honest since I know you're a man of your word.
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xHoodx
The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:35:00 -
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The bit about the 16b isk seems pretty straightforward to me tbh.
As that one is inflated due to insurance so are the losses as well.
You have the option to forward mails to people who have offered to post them up for you to make the tally as close to 100% accurate as possible. This is the time to show how much losses you're actually inflicting on us by handing over mails you think haven't been posted. I assume you care about the accuracy as you are here complaining about it, so this shouldn't be too much to ask.
Depending on how many mails it is of course
Other then that.. keep the good fights coming, there has been some and I'm sure there are more to come Oh and keep the Butter Dog on a leash or you get a fine from concord
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Ben Hump
Minmatar The Kru Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:37:00 -
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dont u just love killboard smack omg ur killboard is wrong no stfu noob its not 14 gazzillion its only 13 noob hahaha u got pizzaowned there and btw guys dont claim that we have lost until we have lost our poses and retracted out of the system so gets ur facts straight u'k and their friends havenŠt been able to kill a pos period (the bugged poses are not counting here) but we have destroyed a few from u'k and i dont care if u'k have 2 more pos now then 2 years ago because obviously we are inflicting huge isk loss here (i know we have lost ships to ffs) so can we plz keep the killboards out of this stop smacking on the forums and fight and have some fun in the game because after all its only a game
May contain traces of irony, period and enter do not belong on my keyboard "Yes Mister Tristan"
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Svabbzor
The Kru Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:51:00 -
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Well you look at the bs lossess... How about the tech II fitted on the ships and the tech II ships. The base price also has items to low so the high loss of bs comes back there maybe?
Zealot 19m
Flycatcher Would be nice if the rocket launchers were at 36k on market :P
Tech II fitted taranis for only 3m o.0
Falcon+cov ops cloak 18m Cov ops cloak under 2m...
All The Kru video's
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Derran
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Verone .... I also stand corrected regarding the involvement of SMASH, it was indeed three large towers they reinforced seemingly as revenge for our destruction of an enemy tower which was constructing a Nidhoggur class carrier when it exploded.
I said it earlier and I will say it again. Maybe a bit more simply this time so the short attention spans and simple minds can understand. My corporation was NOT constructing a carrier.
Capital ship components were destroyed, yes, but there was no carrier being constructed since there were not enough parts available to actually build one. Like I said before, you simple minded, short sighted buffoon, you should get rid of your spy for providing inaccurate information.
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SaltandPepper
Divitarum Carta Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:05:00 -
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agree @ange1
stop crying rivers and smacking monkeys. Show a bit more sportmanship in this great party in providence. i wouldnŠt wonder if even BoB will fight next week for UK :P
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Maggot
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:16:00 -
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Ben, If you wanted to keep killboards out of it maybe your leaders should have avoided making such insane claims in the first place. U'K is killing more than we are losing. I am very happy about the quality of that data.
Originally by: Lord Spidey however; at the end of the day our unorganized band...many of whom have never engaged in an operation of this magnitude are STILL HERE.
Well done Muffin's you have been here four whole days now. Stick in there!
Whoever the "mastermind" is behind all this they have seriously screwed up and should be shot. Who are you going to drag into this affair next? Who are you going to hire next to save face? Its becoming embarassing.
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LK52
Caldari Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Maggot
Who are you going to drag into this affair next? Who are you going to hire next to save face? Its becoming embarassing.
Pot. Kettle. Black. -------------------------------------------------- Neglect leads to perfection.
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:28:00 -
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I wonder at what point the frequency of "spatial anomalies" and "total system crashes" causing losses for one side and not the other stop being just merely coincidence.
Just food for thought. ________________________________
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: LK52
Originally by: Maggot
Who are you going to drag into this affair next? Who are you going to hire next to save face? Its becoming embarassing.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
What little you know is that a month before you moved in force we heard this was going to happen and formed our alliance with ISS, Slyph, Imperial Order and a whole other bunch of hitters in the region before FZN even showed up. The only thing we lacked was a date for the initial push which, ok hats off, you picked an odd day and time for it.
But everyone seems to be approaching the fact that we have allies as if we rushed to call for aid the day you guys cynoed in your dreads and pos launchers. They were waiting for over a month though and we have not added to our group ever since. Some have taken longer to move in our aid than others so they show up at different times. Unlike the pirates that seem to be gathering one corp after another as more and more of you jump on the band waggon and head our way to inflate these inaccurate and pointless measuring sticks called killboards. ------
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xHoodx
The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Maggot
Ben, If you wanted to keep killboards out of it maybe your leaders should have avoided making such insane claims in the first place. U'K is killing more than we are losing. I am very happy about the quality of that data.
Wanna back your statements up by actually sending the missing mails to the appropriate people so that they can be posted on our boards as well, Maggot? If I were to base an opinion of how many kills uk have on what I've seen personally I'd say you're way off on your own claims. Shouldn't be too hard to prove if I'm right or not tho by digging up the offending mails.
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Maggot
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: xHoodx
Originally by: Maggot
Ben, If you wanted to keep killboards out of it maybe your leaders should have avoided making such insane claims in the first place. U'K is killing more than we are losing. I am very happy about the quality of that data.
Wanna back your statements up by actually sending the missing mails to the appropriate people so that they can be posted on our boards as well, Maggot? If I were to base an opinion of how many kills uk have on what I've seen personally I'd say you're way off on your own claims. Shouldn't be too hard to prove if I'm right or not tho by digging up the offending mails.
No, I have better things to do.
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LK52
Caldari Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Shakor
Originally by: LK52
Originally by: Maggot
Who are you going to drag into this affair next? Who are you going to hire next to save face? Its becoming embarassing.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
What little you know is that a month before you moved in force we heard this was going to happen and formed our alliance with ISS, Slyph, Imperial Order and a whole other bunch of hitters in the region before FZN even showed up. The only thing we lacked was a date for the initial push which, ok hats off, you picked an odd day and time for it.
But everyone seems to be approaching the fact that we have allies as if we rushed to call for aid the day you guys cynoed in your dreads and pos launchers. They were waiting for over a month though and we have not added to our group ever since. Some have taken longer to move in our aid than others so they show up at different times. Unlike the pirates that seem to be gathering one corp after another as more and more of you jump on the band waggon and head our way to inflate these inaccurate and pointless measuring sticks called killboards.
No where in the quote does mention anything about friends, but rather those hired. We havn't spent an isk getting other parties to join us, but you on the other hand... SMASH?
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Sykosys
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Sykosys on 18/09/2006 19:53:01 Ah this is very comical.
First I need to adress this CVA helping UK statement to be utter rubish.
Last time I was in nakah yesterday I was attacked by CVA without fail. I was in a prowler and managed to escape. When I see CVA in local and am not in a combat ship I obviously will not engage.
This attempt at ransom is well silly.
To your ransom I say NO.
Ummm and why are people dragging killboard stats in. Inflated or not who cares.
Shall I list all the ships I have lost to you guys?? I will not simply because the forums don't go that far.
(Edit:: On our killboards I am top 10 with most losses)
Who cares about ship losses, in the end UK still owns UNITY station. And has sov of 9UY. No amount of killboard stats can refute this.
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:52:00 -
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If you want to argue specifics, you didn't even mentioned hired hands either so lets not start pulling at thin threads. ------
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Shakor
What little you know is that a month before you moved in force we heard this was going to happen and formed our alliance with ISS, Slyph, Imperial Order and a whole other bunch of hitters in the region before FZN even showed up. The only thing we lacked was a date for the initial push which, ok hats off, you picked an odd day and time for it.
But everyone seems to be approaching the fact that we have allies as if we rushed to call for aid the day you guys cynoed in your dreads and pos launchers. They were waiting for over a month though and we have not added to our group ever since. Some have taken longer to move in our aid than others so they show up at different times. Unlike the pirates that seem to be gathering one corp after another as more and more of you jump on the band waggon and head our way to inflate these inaccurate and pointless measuring sticks called killboards.
Assuming that is true (and I'm making a BIG leap in the assumption that CVA and PIE inc. were helping you plan for this) even then, you're admitting that it didn't do a lot of good.
And that aside, you guys keep mentioning that killboards aren't accurate, and lot of other propoganda. Usually it is good form when countering a claim to back yourself up with statistics to prove your claim (you know, like actual numbers, not words that in your mind magically hold truth.) We have yet to see anything of this sort from your side. We're all reasonable individuals, I'm sure you could convince us that you guys aren't losing lots of isk and assets if you provided some proof.
We've all got time if you need to take some to dig up some numbers. ________________________________
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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:54:00 -
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From what I understood from previous post the FZN killboard was supposed to be the main board used by the pirate coalition, so from that you get the impression that everyone's doings should be there. Sure aren't at the moment. Regarding the missing killmails, I can say for certain on my part that on the FZN killboard I'm only listed in 3 kills, while I've been a part of at least 4 more that I can think of off the top of my head (granted, they've been in part smaller kills - one BS, two AFs and a Rifter, but everything counts when it comes to accuracy). If the ratio is the same for others, well, I can assume a lot of stuff is missing indeed.
And why should U'K or anyone else in the anti-pirate coalition bother to prove a point by sending you the mails and go through all that trouble, when you are failing to do it yourself to begin with, thus basically falsifying data and then making claims based on that falsified data?
But in the end as others have said already, no matter what the killboards show, the anti-pirate coalition still has as firm a grip as ever on the system and the outpost. Based on that, this ransom claim really is quite laughable.
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.18 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Helganstandt Assuming that is true (and I'm making a BIG leap in the assumption that CVA and PIE inc. were helping you plan for this) even then, you're admitting that it didn't do a lot of good.
As has been said already several times the CVA and PIE were not included in defense plans. If they continue to fly around our area in this conflic that is at their own discression as one of their reps said a few pages back. And I admitted no such thing that it didn't do good I just said you picked a good day to move in. Well not you as MoM has been in 9u a grand total of 4 days. But you get the point... I hope...
Originally by: Helganstandt Usually it is good form when countering a claim to back yourself up with statistics to prove your claim (you know, like actual numbers, not words that in your mind magically hold truth.) We have yet to see anything of this sort from your side.
Ohh you mean like your side hasn't done? Sure... lets all waste our time on numbers that both sides are always going to contest. Or maybe your guys can wait to claim some victory beyond the small scale when your flag flys over our outpost and not our flag.
Originally by: Helganstandt We've all got time if you need to take some to dig up some numbers.
No I would rather stick with Maggots reply to someone else and say: "No, I have better things to do." ------
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Ben Hump
Minmatar The Kru Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2006.09.18 20:19:00 -
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i hear alot of angry men here URGHHH!!! SO MAD!!! PIRATES SUCK!!! ok that's out of my system so shall we go on with the fights and may the best man /women win and i dont care what other ppl said about the killboards maggot the fact is i'm not them and i'm asking everyone to not drag some OMGLEET killboard warfare tactics into this kthxbye that's all i have to say
May contain traces of irony, period and enter do not belong on my keyboard "Yes Mister Tristan"
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