Gameplay limited? That I never said I just said that it would be better for gameplay at least I think if it was not possible to be cloaked forever.

Nope it is by no means 100%.

That destroys my u-boat gameplay. I enjoy hunting around for a week at a time in capital systems outnumbered hundreds to one. Why should my gameplay be removed just so you can rat in peace?

That I never said I just said that it would be better for gameplay at least I think if it was not possible to be cloaked forever.

Nope it is by no means 100%.
First it is based upon people actually writing there are reds in some specific system.
Second wormholes does not fit into the local intel.
Third some ships are able to jump through 2 or 3 gates and tackle a ship before it can get to station.
Fourth I do not know if you do but many uses spies, by doing so the ships hunting could no precisely where a ship is in a system making it easier to catch.
Fifth Some places it is possible to use neutrals to cyno in a fleet which makes it impossible for intell to see it coming.
Sixth even though as you said it your self a lot of people do not use it or has no access to it.
Seventh You only know about fleets in systems where people is online who actually write in intell.
Could probably find some more but I think you get it there are gaps and flaws that can be exploited to catch ships out.

I do not wish to see that side of gameplay disappear either, thats why the main discussion has been about a way to find cloakers who are just sitting in a system for weeks on end.

But everybody thinks that you need to be undetectable by al means. You can still hunt what I want is a way to detect a cloaker who is in system for too long.

And I do not know what too long should be, I am just saying great if you are hunting from system to system beeing no more than 5-6 hours in a system maybe shorter or a little longer. I just wish for a way to take care of the cloaker staying in system weeks on end.

To your second comment there are flaws apparently you do not wish to see them. And if you have the right fit you are way faster than the battleship going for the station.

You are terribly certain of this. Have you tried it from the other side?
Maybe there are ships that can take 2-3 gates before a ship can complete a warp to station, sure, but absolutely zero that catch an aligned ratting carrier that is paying attention. The moment you enter local, even in an interceptor with full ascendancy implants, even if you knew exactly where the carrier was before entering system, the carrier has to try to be negligent enough to get caught - all it has to do is hit warp and it is 100% safe. Maybe you set up a drag bubble, maybe you had some other devious plan, but failing that, you aren't catching aligned things. That's how safe ratting is. Same goes for every other ratting ship out there - if you are aligned, you are incredibly hard to catch. It's really a shame how few rats point and scram - there is just no risk in null, at least none that cannot be easily mitigated.

You are terribly certain of this. Have you tried it from the other side?
Maybe there are ships that can take 2-3 gates before a ship can complete a warp to station, sure, but absolutely zero that catch an aligned ratting carrier that is paying attention. The moment you enter local, even in an interceptor with full ascendancy implants, even if you knew exactly where the carrier was before entering system, the carrier has to try to be negligent enough to get caught - all it has to do is hit warp and it is 100% safe. Maybe you set up a drag bubble, maybe you had some other devious plan, but failing that, you aren't catching aligned things. That's how safe ratting is. Same goes for every other ratting ship out there - if you are aligned, you are incredibly hard to catch. It's really a shame how few rats point and scram - there is just no risk in null, at least none that cannot be easily mitigated.

If your alliance's intel is really bad and can't report things, you may want to find another alliance.

If you are smart, you will not close wormholes, you will crit them and dissuade their residents from coming into your space that way.

Ratters usually make it very easy to be found. A good ratting system will have like what, 20+ anomalies? Very few ratters are sensible enough to run the less than optimal site to avoid some risk - Forsaken hubs and Havens by default are where you find ratters first - have you thought of confusing people and being in a lower-teir site to increase their search time?

Likewise, have you considered just how annoying POS trash is? If you want to drive hunters CRAZY, leave a bunch of un-manned ships in POSes. Another way search time increases....considerably.

In the end, local makes it nearly impossible to get the jump on someone that is paying attention. You may want to try your hand at hunting - world looks different when you are 10 jumps out and your targets are already docked. I much prefer to hunt, rather than camp systems, but sometimes camping is the only way.

Right now I am playing for the other side. So yes and all I have said I have done so I know how it works. I am not currently playing in null other than hunting those in null as a single entity. I don't even have friends to back me up and I get targets every day even battleships alone, so yes I know very well how it works but I fit my ships to the occasion.

Eve is all about making different fits, and I say do not use the same fit all the time they will know how to counter you. With the right fit you are capable of doing much more. But i guess if non of you have tried solo pvp and only knows how to drop then thats why you do not want to make it more fair for others.

I have an account which is in a null sec corp but thats not where I like playing the most and I can say that because of the cloak thing and the fact that I thrive on the thrill of the hunt. But I kind of feel that it is to easy some times and I can only imagine how easy it is with all the tools a corp has for hunting. Or maybe it is actually the other way around you do not know how to pvp because it is made easy for you.

You end up using cloaky afk camping on smart players who pay attention and are good at Eve, as loss mails continue to prove in this game it is possible to catch someone who is not as smart, loses attention and is not so good at Eve.

What I found from many of the people who post on here defending afk cloaky camping is that they want 100% success rate in getting those who are smart, paying attention and good at Eve and that is not hunting!

I go solo hunting in a bomber, try again.

Gonna have to call you out on this now. If you are running around having an easy time getting kills then you are going to have to back it up with evidence.

well then maybe you are just not as good or you miss some of the points I made earlier to make it easier to find targets. While I am playing alone I still use spies akka alts to find easy targets as this is needed some times. But I do get my target more often than not.


You are gonna call a long time then, cause I have no obligation to tell you who my main is ingame. But I am quite sure you can find a lot of evidence on the killboard about solo kills in null, so I do not really need to show you proof you just have to open your eyes and look at the killboards thats what they are there for.

And as some one smart said think it was Dracvlad what us the fun of hunting if what you want is a 100% way of securing a kill on people who pay attention.

So you basically AWOX. So you get around local by appearing blue.

My main flies alone.

Not if you are using an alt who is either blue or docked in station and red.

well then maybe you are just not as good or you miss some of the points I made earlier to make it easier to find targets. While I am playing alone I still use spies akka alts to find easy targets as this is needed some times. But I do get my target more often than not.

You are gonna call a long time then, cause I have no obligation to tell you who my main is ingame. But I am quite sure you can find a lot of evidence on the killboard about solo kills in null, so I do not really need to show you proof you just have to open your eyes and look at the killboards thats what they are there for.

And as some one smart said think it was Dracvlad what us the fun of hunting if what you want is a 100% way of securing a kill on people who pay attention.

Keyword if you read my post FLIES if an alt is docked it does not fly
sry I just had to

Some individuals just spam useless comments that aren't constructive or even relevant to the topic.

I wish it was possible to filter out useless commenters out of threads. Some individuals just spam useless comments that aren't constructive or even relevant to the topic. Just here to tare down any idea or discussion that might have leads to something more interesting then the regular idea bashing just for the sake of it.

This is a very interesting thread when the same idea bashers aren't here to give there input about cloaking, when in fact they rather not see it changed then proceeding forcing any discussion to the ground.

any cloak module lasts 5 min, then 5 min cooldown. Jumping systems resets cooldown

On a most basic level Its an oxymoron to play a game by not playing the game.

On a most basic level Its an oxymoron to play a game by not playing the game.

My suggestion would be to have a citadel/eng.complex module and/or a deployable that would deactivate cloak on all ships in the system.

properties:
- consumes fuel
- has a spinup cycle that would be detectable by the cloaked ships (cloaked ship would get a warning about the module activation 60 seconds prior to cloak deactivation)
- has a reload cycle of 10 minutes or so (to prevent constant cloak deactivation)
- only one activation allowed in system at a time

process:
- activate module
- warn cloaked (or just all) ships in the system about charge build up in the decloak module
- 60s spinup
- discharge the module and deactivate cloak on all ships in the system
- reload cycle of 10 minutes to get more fuel for next use

effect:
- afk campers will obviously not notice the warning and will not recloak and will be scanable by combat probes
- cloaky hunters will have plenty of time to act (get into warp while decloaked / strike before being uncloaked / anything else you can think of)

My suggestion would be to have a citadel/eng.complex module and/or a deployable that would deactivate cloak on all ships in the system.

properties:
- consumes fuel
- has a spinup cycle that would be detectable by the cloaked ships (cloaked ship would get a warning about the module activation 60 seconds prior to cloak deactivation)
- has a reload cycle of 10 minutes or so (to prevent constant cloak deactivation)
- only one activation allowed in system at a time

process:
- activate module
- warn cloaked (or just all) ships in the system about charge build up in the decloak module
- 60s spinup
- discharge the module and deactivate cloak on all ships in the system
- reload cycle of 10 minutes to get more fuel for next use

effect:
- afk campers will obviously not notice the warning and will not recloak and will be scanable by combat probes
- cloaky hunters will have plenty of time to act (get into warp while decloaked / strike before being uncloaked / anything else you can think of)

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fck wormhole dudes huh?