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jollem
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:51:00 -
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I put my hulk exhumer in Escrow assigned to my other character in same corporation with me. Using default fields 0 isk and 1 day duration. I made a mistake putting the name of "assigned to" to the description slot. I hit return and get the reminder that comes every single time looking like it always does. So I hit the OK. I then realise my mistake as it starts processing. I instantly try to cancel, but it is allready too late. From log I see it was claimed at exactly the sime time it was put into escrow. Unlike with any other deal I cant see who it was , who claimed it.
I petition this as I think it is an exploit of a missleading interface. GM told me in response that it is normal that many people look for 0 isk deals in escrow. I ask you all out there, why do You think this happens? Is it because many people do mistakes like this? Why do many people do these mistakes? Is it the interface?
GM told me this is not an exploit. I think it is. Please give your opinions.
jollem
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d'hofren
Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:54:00 -
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Not an exploit, just bad luck. I douibt there is anyone over six months old in game who hasn't bought or sold at the wrong price.
You can't even go halfway to saying this is an exploit. Or are you saying that the other player exploited your tiredness / fat fingeredness / drunkeness?
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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente Intergalactic Mining
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:56:00 -
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Your In-Ability to pay attention to Detail on what you are doing is not an exploit.
Of course, Where I work, You could try filing a one-dee-ten-tee form out, and see what turns up
Mistakes happen all the time, and there are people out there who watch for them all the time. Ya gotta pay attention to what you are doing at all times. I trashed a months supply of POS fuel the same way.
If ya think on the bright side though, you made somebodies day, giving them a free HULK
His Planetship, CEO, IM
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:57:00 -
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There was a thread a few months ago on bots that auto claimed all 0.0 escrows. Probably one of those.
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Jenny5
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:06:00 -
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never escrow anything for 0.00 isk ever again, f you escrow something to your alt, stick it up for 5,000 isk or something. Escrow bots camp 0.00 isk escrows all day long.
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Slaaght Bana
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:07:00 -
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Man, you have to be so careful doing that. 0 ISK escrows are snapped up instantly. A little unnaturally instantly if you ask me.
However it's not an exploit. It does kinda suck that it isn't logged in any shape or form though.
That wouldn't get your ship back, but it would follow the general ethos of Eve that if you know who did something you can go and sort it out.
... bad luck to do it with a Hulk of all things
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jollem
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:25:00 -
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Escrow bots camp 0.00 isk escrows all day long.
Are scripts, bots and macros not forbidden? :) Yes, they are forbidden. They are considered equal to exploits, If I am not mistaken. CCP cant do anything to stop this from happening. (Or are not motivated to? )
And people who use their time looking for mistakes like this must be earning good isk doing this. They surely want this to continue as it is. It is only natural to say it is not an exploit, in order to continue earning in this way.
escrow bots, hmm I heard that too. I wonder if CCP has heard of them. Please CCP tell me if my mistake was exploited by a macro/bot in a fraction of a second after my mistake? And why can I not know who it was I made a "deal" with? Any other form of deal direct or market leaves a log to find out the name of the other person. Just not this escrow deal, which defaults to 0 isk and free for all. Making a mistake as default.
btw. besides giving someone a free HULK, I also made many sadists happy :) some ppl are happy to get something, but more happy for other peoples losses.
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Hoi Manne
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:27:00 -
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Only thing exploited here was your stupidity.
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Lord Frost
Minmatar The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:28:00 -
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why are escrow bots legal then? ... when macro miners are considered an exploit? one bot okay? the other not? same goes for isk for cash email bots... they are illegal. he has a valid concern.
escrow bots... are they an exploit? i say YES
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Xelios
Minmatar Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:30:00 -
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If you have a bunch of garbage spread out across the galaxy you can get back at him by putting up a few dozen escrows in different systems for 0 isk. I do it all the time, it's more fun to get rid of your junk this way than using the trash it button.
The new BFG.
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jollem
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:32:00 -
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If I say you are stupid, am I in violation of FORUM rules?
In any case you did not show much of intelligence yourself. I hoped for more discussion about the escrow-interface and how it defaults to making a mistake. I do not wish my intelligence or stupidity to be discussed.
Thank you very much :)
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost why are escrow bots legal then? ... when macro miners are considered an exploit? one bot okay? the other not? same goes for isk for cash email bots... they are illegal. he has a valid concern.
escrow bots... are they an exploit? i say YES
Show me an escrow bot and I'll get that person banned.
Can't can you? Can you even prove that they exist? Nope.
Just because your escrows are claimed quickly is not proof of anything, what so ever.
With the number of players in game, it's not even statistacly unlikely that someone, somewhere just loaded escrow at the exact moment you placed your escrow and 0.0 isk is going to be claimed by anyone that sees it. Why? Because it's a chance to win the lottery. And it doesn't even cost you 1 $.
___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
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Lord Frost
Minmatar The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Originally by: Lord Frost why are escrow bots legal then? ... when macro miners are considered an exploit? one bot okay? the other not? same goes for isk for cash email bots... they are illegal. he has a valid concern.
escrow bots... are they an exploit? i say YES
Show me an escrow bot and I'll get that person banned.
Can't can you? Can you even prove that they exist? Nope.
Just because your escrows are claimed quickly is not proof of anything, what so ever.
With the number of players in game, it's not even statistacly unlikely that someone, somewhere just loaded escrow at the exact moment you placed your escrow and 0.0 isk is going to be claimed by anyone that sees it. Why? Because it's a chance to win the lottery. And it doesn't even cost you 1 $.
true, but if anyone can monitor them, CCP can... by themselves placing 0.0 isk escrows and finding out who claims them all... also, it doesnt help to just act like a problem doesnt exist. anything people do to gain an unfair advantage should be looked into... and yes, people may be stupid in placing escrows, but that doesnt give someone with an escrow bot the right to have that "advantage" over his stupidity.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: jollem I hoped for more discussion about the escrow-interface and how it defaults to making a mistake.
It doesn't. It only "makes a mistake" if you type things in the wrong windows; and that's YOUR mistake, not the system's. ________________________________________________
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Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:44:00 -
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Meh, I've claimed 0 isk escrows before. I was lucky. I'm not an escrow bot
Next time be more careful, after claiming a 0 isk escrow myself I'm always especially careful.
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Gaogan
Gallente Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:44:00 -
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It would really be nice to see who claimed it. And yes, if you can sit there and put up a few free escrows of junk and they are IMMEDIATELY claimed by the same idiot, that's prety solid proof they are macroing and should be banned.
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jollem
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:44:00 -
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>> Why? Because it's a chance to win the lottery.
Maybe this game should be treated as an online lottery. acoount thefts and online scamming is a lucrative business to make real money. eve ISK and property has an real-life value measured in real euro's and dollars.
It is also forbidden by CCP, and it still is happening. Many things are forbidden, but still happening. And I dont dare to say more. Why? Big money is made by some "criminally oriented" people using the features of eve. Anyone speaking against that is a threat to their business. So maybe I just shut up now. :)
Enjoy the silence
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost and yes, people may be stupid in placing escrows, but that doesnt give someone with an escrow bot the right to have that "advantage" over his stupidity.
Which may be a good reason for banning people who use escrow bots (if there are any) ... but it wouldn't make any difference to this case. Even if nobody had escrow bots, he still would have lost his Hulk. Someone is certain to have found and claimed it before he was allowed to close the escrow.
The only way to prevent this happening is to pay enough attention in the first place, that you actually type things in the correct fields, as they are labelled. ________________________________________________
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost
Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Originally by: Lord Frost why are escrow bots legal then? ... when macro miners are considered an exploit? one bot okay? the other not? same goes for isk for cash email bots... they are illegal. he has a valid concern.
escrow bots... are they an exploit? i say YES
Show me an escrow bot and I'll get that person banned.
Can't can you? Can you even prove that they exist? Nope.
Just because your escrows are claimed quickly is not proof of anything, what so ever.
With the number of players in game, it's not even statistacly unlikely that someone, somewhere just loaded escrow at the exact moment you placed your escrow and 0.0 isk is going to be claimed by anyone that sees it. Why? Because it's a chance to win the lottery. And it doesn't even cost you 1 $.
true, but if anyone can monitor them, CCP can... by themselves placing 0.0 isk escrows and finding out who claims them all... also, it doesnt help to just act like a problem doesnt exist. anything people do to gain an unfair advantage should be looked into... and yes, people may be stupid in placing escrows, but that doesnt give someone with an escrow bot the right to have that "advantage" over his stupidity.
Well, I'm not pretending there is not problem. There really isn't one. Unless someone has actually seen a escrow bot. ? No? Me neither. At this point, escrow bots and farmers and macro users are alot more the stuff of fiction than they are the stuff of reality. (question, does eve qualify as reality?) Yes, they may exist, but they are complained about alot more than they are used.
If you do something stupid like a 0.0 isk escrow NOT assigned to the right person, it's gone. Bot or not bot, it's gone. And thats not "unfair". Thats life.
Don't make 0.0 isk escrows. Simple. Or assign them correctly. Also simple. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
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Lord Frost
Minmatar The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Lord Frost and yes, people may be stupid in placing escrows, but that doesnt give someone with an escrow bot the right to have that "advantage" over his stupidity.
Which may be a good reason for banning people who use escrow bots (if there are any) ... but it wouldn't make any difference to this case. Even if nobody had escrow bots, he still would have lost his Hulk. Someone is certain to have found and claimed it before he was allowed to close the escrow.
The only way to prevent this happening is to pay enough attention in the first place, that you actually type things in the correct fields, as they are labelled.
I know people who pass the time by watching escrow... so its likely he would of lost his hulk... but atleast he lost it to someone playing the game. An escrow bot is just another tool for people to expolit an unfair advantage. Which leads to a question off topic... as to why people consistanly have to cheat... and find the easiest, safest, and biggest advantage they can gain. Guess thats just our culture... greed.
No one can win Eve... although many try... the only people really winning are those making this game into their real-life profit. Its a shame CCP can't monitor all this... but they have the ability to look thru tons of code to find out whether or not you deserve a Cerberus reimbursement. And they cant track a bot?
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost And they cant track a bot?
The only way possible to find a bot, is to scan your hard drive to see it operating. CCP don't have authority to do that. ________________________________________________
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |
jollem
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:22:00 -
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I was told to post here
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Lord Frost
Minmatar The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Lord Frost And they cant track a bot?
The only way possible to find a bot, is to scan your hard drive to see it operating. CCP don't have authority to do that.
I'm talking more about tracking who gets the escrows... rather than raiding everyone's hard drive.
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:40:00 -
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Don't forget, it's all mute in a month or two anyway. As escrow will cease to exist.
Just thought I'd mention that before we get into alot of detail about how to track down escrow bots. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
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jollem
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Posted - 2006.09.18 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake Don't forget, it's all mute in a month or two anyway. As escrow will cease to exist.
Just thought I'd mention that before we get into alot of detail about how to track down escrow bots.
Thank you for reminding me of that :) I hope what ever is replacing is more informative, warning stupid idiots like me for making a donation to clewer ppl looking for those :)
Current market system warns for stupid deals, thank god/ccp for that :P
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.18 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost why are escrow bots legal then? ... when macro miners are considered an exploit? one bot okay? the other not? same goes for isk for cash email bots... they are illegal. he has a valid concern.
escrow bots... are they an exploit? i say YES
What the hell makes you think escrow bots are legal? They aren't.
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