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Zar Dim
Minmatar Anus Horriblis
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:07:00 -
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I just checked resistances on my hawk and resistances from frig skill are absent. I'm still having 70/80 kin/term resists.
Is it a bug or what?
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Imode
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:11:00 -
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They are built in bonuses that are factored in before you even jump in the ship. ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes |
Zar Dim
Minmatar Anus Horriblis
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:20:00 -
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I doubt it since i saw jaguar with 95% resists.
In any way that's simply not true since my cerb have exactly the same resistances, but it does not have "15% bonus to Shield and Armor Thermal resistance and 10% bonus to Shield and Armor Kinetic resistance per level Assault Ships"
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Daz Sampson
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:22:00 -
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Serious Bob
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:24:00 -
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Yes it is true. AFs resists are already factored in.
And the minnie ships get their resistances factored in aswell, just look at market and you'll see it's at 93% em.
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zar Dim I doubt it since i saw jaguar with 95% resists.
The base armor EM resist on a Jaguar is 92.5%. There's nothing added on when you get into the ship.
Originally by: Zar Dim In any way that's simply not true since my cerb have exactly the same resistances, but it does not have "15% bonus to Shield and Armor Thermal resistance and 10% bonus to Shield and Armor Kinetic resistance per level Assault Ships"
The skill isn't on Assault Ships, it's on Racial Frigate V. Which is a prereq and thus the resists are built-in.
You make yourself look a bit silly telling people the advice they give you is wrong, when it's completely right.
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Zar Dim
Minmatar Anus Horriblis
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Zar Dim You make yourself look a bit silly telling people the advice they give you is wrong, when it's completely right.
Let's compare Hawk: Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Missile Kinetic Damage, 15% bonus to Shield and Armor Thermal resistance and 10% bonus to Shield and Armor Kinetic resistance per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to missile velocity and 5% bonus to shield boost amount per level
Cerberus: Caldari Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage and 10% bonus to Missile velocity per level Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus Light and Heavy Missile flight time and 5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire per level
And both ships has exactly the same resists.
This means eather: 1) One bonus (shiled resist) on Hawk is wasted 2) It's a bug
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Mr Mirage
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Mirage on 18/09/2006 18:41:31
Originally by: Zar Dim
Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Zar Dim You make yourself look a bit silly telling people the advice they give you is wrong, when it's completely right.
Let's compare
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This means eather: 1) One bonus (shiled resist) on Hawk is wasted 2) It's a bug
3)ccp 'great' descriptions strike again. nothing is wrong.
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Zar Dim
Minmatar Anus Horriblis
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Mirage3)ccp 'great' descriptions strike again. nothing is wrong.[/quote
Well, no that's not the case. If the bonus is built in, and that's description thingy, then HACs have 5 bonuses instead of 4.
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:47:00 -
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I don't have a clue what you're trying to prove with a HAC. None of its bonuses affect base stats of the ship, so they can't be reflected in the ship itself.
None of the other bonuses relate to stats of the ship either. Of course you still get 5% bonus to kinetic missile damage on a Hawk, because there's nowhere in the ship stats that dictates kinetic missile damage...
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Zar Dim
Minmatar Anus Horriblis
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy I don't have a clue what you're trying to prove with a HAC. None of its bonuses affect base stats of the ship, so they can't be reflected in the ship itself.
I'm trying to point the fact that despite DOES NOT having the bonus from ship skills to resistances. HACs has exactly the same resistances as AF (in my case harpy). So something is fishy. And it looks like a bug, does any other AF have this or this is only Hawk related thing?
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Mr Mirage
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:58:00 -
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not a bug. same for AF/HAC in other races.
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.18 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: inSpirAcy on 18/09/2006 19:01:40
Originally by: Zar Dim I'm trying to point the fact that despite DOES NOT having the bonus from ship skills to resistances. HACs has exactly the same resistances as AF (in my case harpy). So something is fishy. And it looks like a bug, does any other AF have this or this is only Hawk related thing?
HACs have two strong racial resist increases built-in, AFs have two weak racial bonuses built-in. Only the latter is reflected as a "bonus", and is already (for some reason CCP decided) built into the base stats of the ship. It's been discussed hundreds of times before, go search it if you're having that much trouble believing it.
There is no bug.
Edit: Oops, I'm actually wrong on the strong/weak bit. They both get 50% and 75% bonuses to two resistances.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:05:00 -
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Let me get this straight. You got 70/80 resistances, and want more?
The resistances are increased from base resistances that tech1 ships have. If you fancy checking, every tech1 ship has the same resistances, bar 10% racial extra. The HACs have their added racial resistance build in, AFs dont.
No bug.
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Zar Dim
Minmatar Anus Horriblis
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:09:00 -
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Well then I just wasted 29 mils, no wonder AFs are worthles.
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MyOwnSling
Gallente RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Zar Dim Well then I just wasted 29 mils, no wonder AFs are worthles.
Worthless? There are quite a few people who would disagree with that. If you are bothered by the lack of even more damage resistance, try checking out some modules called "resistance plating" or "energized plating". I can get around 92% resist to kinetic damage on my enyo with just a couple of these mods. ---------- |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Nova Republic
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zar Dim Well then I just wasted 29 mils, no wonder AFs are worthles.
Buying without shopping ftl. AF for 29 mil? Lolzer.
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Weirda
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Weirda on 18/09/2006 19:41:30
Originally by: Zar Dim
Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Zar Dim You make yourself look a bit silly telling people the advice they give you is wrong, when it's completely right.
Let's compare Hawk: Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Missile Kinetic Damage, 15% bonus to Shield and Armor Thermal resistance and 10% bonus to Shield and Armor Kinetic resistance per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to missile velocity and 5% bonus to shield boost amount per level
Cerberus: Caldari Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage and 10% bonus to Missile velocity per level Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus Light and Heavy Missile flight time and 5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire per level
And both ships has exactly the same resists.
This means eather: 1) One bonus (shiled resist) on Hawk is wasted 2) It's a bug
sadly it not a bug - it is a wasted bonus. Weirda wrote an Assault Frig thread a long time ago how that bonus is not fair hogging up slot, as *no other t2 resistance bonus on any other t2 ship class* uses the bonus slot.
they did do some of the suggestion in that thread. they did not however give assault frigate the 4th bonus that they deserve. __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now Stealth Bomber Tweaks |
MyOwnSling
Gallente RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Weirda
*no other t2 resistance bonus on any other t2 frig* uses the bonus slot
Yes, but no other T2 frig gets as good of a set of resistances as AF's do. If you compare AF resists against other T2 frig resists, you will see that the AF's come out on top. However, I still don't think this justifies having bonuses for the AF's taken up by resistance increases. ---------- |
Weirda
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: MyOwnSling
Originally by: Weirda
*no other t2 resistance bonus on any other t2 frig* uses the bonus slot
Yes, but no other T2 frig gets as good of a set of resistances as AF's do. If you compare AF resists against other T2 frig resists, you will see that the AF's come out on top. However, I still don't think this justifies having bonuses for the AF's taken up by resistance increases.
had updated before you finished replying.
it is not a frig thing necessarily: hac do not use bonus slot recon do not use bonus slot logistics do not use bonus slot command ship do not use bonus slot...
etc...
it is just considered part of the ship. all those other ship get 4 proper bonus. the assault frig do not... it is just not right. so we do agree afterall =)
they even changed one of the ships that was using bonus for assault resist (can't remember - was it hacs?) - but they overlooked the Assault Ships (frigs). __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now Stealth Bomber Tweaks |
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:52:00 -
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AFs are missing a bonus, the resists are pre-applied, could we please get a damn sticky about this already so we stop getting threads about it so much?
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg |
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