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Provence Tristram
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.11 11:08:13 -
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Black Pedro wrote:[quote=Crumplecorn] While I might argue that AFK mining or autopiloting isn't "playing Eve", or at least not playing Eve well, no one is questioning a player's right to do it.
I don't think it's even fair to say it's not playing EVE 'well' -- it just 'is.'
It's as much in the tradition of EVE Online as gate camping... in fact, for many of us, one of our first activities in the game -- either long, long ago or as recently as a day ago -- was to AFK mine. The simple fact is, the very nature if EVE's skill queue precludes anyone doing particularly well in combat for a good 4-6 months. Some people struggle along during that time, fighting the current... others simply buckle up for the long haul, train the most onerous skills first, and AFK mine. It's not a bad way to build up a little nestegg while the weeks roll by.
Personally, I mine semi-AFK. I tend to be a Wikipedia hog, and plow through that website like nobody's business. So while I'm busy reading my non-fiction, I farm. No harm, no foul. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
416
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Posted - 2015.01.11 11:27:59 -
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Provence Tristram wrote:I don't think it's even fair to say it's not playing EVE 'well' -- it just 'is.' Fair enough. I would say there is much more engaging gameplay on offer than AFK mining, but to each their own.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1865
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Posted - 2015.01.11 11:46:01 -
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Provence Tristram wrote:The simple fact is, the very nature of EVE's skill queue precludes anyone doing particularly well in combat for a good 4-6 months. Ironcially, while you sit there AFK-mining because combat characters can't do anything for 4-6 months, you get ganked by a 1 month old combat character.
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Crimson Nirnroots
Czerka. Out Of The Void
26
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Posted - 2015.01.11 12:06:29 -
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Being AFK is fine if you're not terribly attached to your pod.
Antimatter, now with more Nirnroots.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
906
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Posted - 2015.01.11 12:25:10 -
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Vector Symian wrote:please discuss freely
Within the EULA you can do whatever you want.
Just don't rage / rant / whine in local or on the forums if your stuff or pod goes boom in one of those shiny explosions we all love so much.
The only thing you're entitled to in EVE is a CCP mess-up.
Remove insurance.
This thread is the reason, why CCP should stop advertising any aspect of EVE PvE
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Aladar Dangerface
Absolutely Certain
61
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Posted - 2015.01.11 12:42:56 -
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I don't care that you don't care mmmmmmkay ;p
I don't need twitter.
I'm already following you.
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Provence Tristram
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2015.01.11 13:01:02 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Provence Tristram wrote:The simple fact is, the very nature of EVE's skill queue precludes anyone doing particularly well in combat for a good 4-6 months. Ironcially, while you sit there AFK-mining because combat characters can't do anything for 4-6 months, you get ganked by a 1 month old combat character.
Perhaps, but that is not the kind of combat I would be out for, regardless. I like to feel like I'm actually contributing something in gangs, and until I have all those support abilities at least to rank IV, I feel like I'm just dragging people down. I like to be about 8 million SPs before I actually start seeking a serious corp, at which point I should be flying a fully T2 equiped BC (or pretty close), and working towards a T2 equipped BS.
Others are certainly entitled to disagree on this point, but I simply do not find PvP in this game enjoyable when I am totally outclassed in combat skills, and know that, against an even passable player, I likely don't have a chance in hell. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5623
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Posted - 2015.01.11 13:02:59 -
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Provence Tristram wrote:The simple fact is, the very nature of EVE's skill queue precludes anyone doing particularly well in combat for a good 4-6 months. Some people struggle along during that time, fighting the current... others simply buckle up for the long haul, train the most onerous skills first, and AFK mine.
Back at the time skill manuals were still in use (= even more difficult to skill up), I joined a PvP corp with low skills enough, I needed a MAPC just to fit some T1 mods. But one of those mods was a warp scrambler.
One useless newbie with no skills in a 250k frigate could cause a battleship to die.
The only preclusion, the only limits, are those in your mind. And this applies to the whole RL life as well, not just EvE.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
14746
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Posted - 2015.01.11 13:21:57 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Provence Tristram wrote:The simple fact is, the very nature of EVE's skill queue precludes anyone doing particularly well in combat for a good 4-6 months. Some people struggle along during that time, fighting the current... others simply buckle up for the long haul, train the most onerous skills first, and AFK mine. Back at the time skill manuals were still in use (= even more difficult to skill up), I joined a PvP corp with low skills enough, I needed a MAPC just to fit some T1 mods. But one of those mods was a warp scrambler. One useless newbie with no skills in a 250k frigate could cause a battleship to die. The only preclusion, the only limits, are those in your mind. And this applies to the whole RL life as well, not just EvE. *feels like you should have pointed to my thread "Reality ... is what you make of it."
Ralph King-Griffin > **** you sol, years, ****ing years since thats happend
"I like the idea of them being spread out" - Mike Azariah, no context. ;)
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
416
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Posted - 2015.01.11 13:24:16 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Black Pedro wrote:While I might argue that AFK mining or autopiloting isn't "playing Eve", or at least not playing Eve well, They are the best EvE players of all and play EvE as it's meant to be, they are true assets to the community. In fact, they generously provide everybody else a lot of comprehensive and comfortable content they'd otherwise have to work hard to get to, and newbies would have a very though challenge to win. This I do disagree with. Active miners and haulers provide plenty of content to the game, both social and literal, and can do that well. And some players "play Eve" without even logging in to the client. But true AFK players - those that log in but then go do something non-Eve related - provide nothing efficiently or particularly valuable to the game but targets. An AFK player is not, by any definition, the "best" Eve player of all.
It's like spending 15-bucks to buy a ticket to an amusement park, but then only sitting in the food court by yourself reading a newspaper because you find it "relaxing" while your friends ride the roller coasters and play the games with each other. Sure no one is going to say you can't do this, and you are technically at the amusement park, but you aren't really making the most of the experience.
But you paid for the ticket, so you can enjoy the amusement park however you like.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
668
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Posted - 2015.01.11 13:24:43 -
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this may come as a shock but ccp really has no problem with players "going afk".. it's not against any rules. it's when they try to use external software methods to "bot" their gaming sessions that there is a problem. this isn't even an issue for the intellectually honest.
-á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2015.01.11 13:36:12 -
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Provence Tristram wrote:Perhaps, but that is not the kind of combat I would be out for No-one cares. Don't bother saying "it takes xyz before you can fight in EVE" just because there is only one thing you have in mind. That is spectacularly shortsighted.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
703
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Posted - 2015.01.11 13:54:59 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:I think OP may have confused the New Order's in-game playstyle which attempts to punish AFKing in highsec, and (some) anti-gankers metagame style of whining about ganking in the hopes it will be removed from the game.
If gankers operated by the same 'logic' as carebears, they would be on here petitioning CCP to make it impossible to AFK mine without exploding or something, i.e. trying to get a playstyle they dislike removed from the game. Then a post like OP's might have a purpose.
Of course, they don't. Gankers love AFK miners because they provide targets. While requests to "fix" ganking are a dime a dozen, requests to 'fix' mining usually take the form of "I mine and it's too boring". I think the OPs point is that going AFK in high-sec is not always a bad thing as long as you accept the risk. The ganking community loves to ridicule AFK miners like they've done something wrong, when they haven't. They've been AFK like that for months before you killed them. The idiotic thing to do would be to stay ATK all that time because you're afraid of having to write off a loss that amounts to 1% of your total profit. The idiotic thing is if you lose your temper over that 1% loss an say stupid stuff, make RL threads against the gankers or come to the forums and whine to CCP to get the game changed.
If you go way back and read the Manifesto and Manifesto II of James 315 you will notice that the real purpose for our crusade is not the AFK miner, but the whiny carebear who tries to change this unique competitive sandbox game into a shadow of itself where he can AFK mine in perfect isolation without interference from other players. Well we also like to just blow up stuff, but who says a crusade shouldn't be fun.
It is my believe and that the carebears destruction of EVE can only be stopped if their real agenda is exposed, and that is a great part of what the minerbumping blog is about. It is also about fun and treating eve like a game (which it actually is). It is written in a very obvious self ironic tone, which some people seam to still not understand, this are usually the "rebel leaders", and it's probably no accident that they aren't usually the brightest lights in New Eden.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
416
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Posted - 2015.01.11 15:20:20 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:this may come as a shock but ccp really has no problem with players "going afk".. it's not against any rules. it's when they try to use external software methods to "bot" their gaming sessions that there is a problem. this isn't even an issue for the intellectually honest.
While "going afk" isn't against any rules of CCP, it is definitely against The New Halaima Code of Conduct, a very important rulebook in highsec. Therefore, unless you want to risk an enforcement action from an Agent of the New Order, I would suggest you confine your AFKing to places in New Eden where the Code doesn't apply - like wormhole space or nullsec.
But to your main point, I have seen no-one be as intellectually dishonest to suggest that going AFK is against the EULA or anything. In fact, CCP built the 'Autopilot' button into the game, one of the major tools facilitating AFKing and a leading cause of bot-aspirancy. However, that doesn't mean it is not against the rules of certain player groups or organizations.
Why AFKers? While I actually believe that putting risk back into highsec makes for a better game for everyone, since Eve is all about conflict and exploding spaceships you don't have to look further than the "gotta nuke something" explanation.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
420
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Posted - 2015.01.11 16:00:13 -
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Well, GD has seen worse threads (a lot worse, actually), so calling this one overly redundant is a bit of a stretch at this point. As far as the topic, it is what it is. AFK is no less acceptable than ganking someone who is AFK. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7287
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Posted - 2015.01.11 16:38:46 -
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Go AFK, see what you get.
The OP seems to believe that there are some inherent rules where doing one thing is "right" and doing another is "wrong".
Im afraid he is mistaken. The only rules are the ones you make for yourself.
Go AFK, God doesn't care.
God was cast out of New Eden for being a troll.
"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway
"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
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V1P3RR
Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2015.01.11 17:30:36 -
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highsec definately needs a larger CODE presence... |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2015.01.11 18:10:59 -
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There can be consequences to going AFK, if you're not willing to accept those consequences you shouldn't go AFK.
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
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Sylveria Relden
Relden Enterprises
44
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Posted - 2015.01.11 19:19:54 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:There can be consequences to going AFK, if you're not willing to accept those consequences you shouldn't go AFK.
This. And it doesn't matter what security status the region, either. You go AFK and it's your a**. |
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
257
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Posted - 2015.01.12 04:31:07 -
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AFK mining in a tanked and rigged Procurer in high sec. Fine. Very fine indeed.
"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
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Jur Tissant
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
369
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Posted - 2015.01.12 04:56:31 -
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I honestly couldn't care less how you play. If you want to go AFK on a belt or autopilot go for it, it's a game not a test of character. Just, don't whine about the play choices other players make which may involve AFK players and guns. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1319
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Posted - 2015.01.12 05:11:54 -
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With regard to the PLEXing, I actually earn roughly 3 to 4 months subs in one hour in real life.
I do however PLEX my accounts purely because I personally feel if you can't PLEX out of spare change ISK floating about you are not organizing your game well.
That said I have never AFK hauled or mined. The ISK just seems to turn up and build up all by itself. its not my fault if it keeps turning up.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7311
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Posted - 2015.01.12 09:49:38 -
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Michael Ruckert wrote:rigged Procurer
Now there's a waste of isk if I ever heard of one
"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway
"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
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Vector Symian
0 Fear
13
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Posted - 2015.01.12 11:14:13 -
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I was noticing a great deal of confusion and rage among highsec gamers and thought a little bit of simple clarity would assist and it seems most posters are in agreement which is nice to see
and i suppose a final point to make would be...
*just relax its a game, have some fun and remember....Game of Thrones is highly distracting* |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5735
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Posted - 2015.01.12 11:30:11 -
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Vector Symian wrote:Hello it may shock you but I am a pretty active pilot and I don't care about going A.F.K (away from keyboard) .... snip ... please discuss freely
No.
There are plenty of other threads about this topic - one more random opinion wasn't a good reason for a new thread.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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Velicitia
XS Tech
2743
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Posted - 2015.01.12 12:19:23 -
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Vector Symian wrote:
Scipio - I have been on said anti-ganking channel and seen the condensation and oftentimes cruel attack on people who were in fact following the "code" and were still attacked...
With the assumption (incorrect as it might be) that CODE pilots follow their own rules, it's likely that these other pilots generally "do" follow the code ... but happened to pull one of the typical things of hisec -- "Oh, buzzer for [laundry|food|door|etc.] has gone off, I'll just be a minute. What could possibly go wrong if I stay in space?"
Code or no, that thinking is what got them killed.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
185
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Posted - 2015.01.12 14:59:23 -
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yes im guilty of using plex to play the game because with out it I wouldn't, but I can get a plex in 1 day sothat leaves me the rest of the month to do what I please including shooting gankers when the opportunity presents itself
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
15759
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Posted - 2015.01.12 15:02:46 -
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Agondray wrote:yes im guilty of using plex to play the game because with out it I wouldn't, but I can get a plex in 1 day sothat leaves me the rest of the month to do what I please including shooting gankers when the opportunity presents itself That made me laugh! XD
Ralph King-Griffin > **** you sol, years, ****ing years since thats happend
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6523
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Posted - 2015.01.12 16:18:23 -
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Velicitia wrote:Vector Symian wrote:
Scipio - I have been on said anti-ganking channel and seen the condensation and oftentimes cruel attack on people who were in fact following the "code" and were still attacked...
With the assumption (incorrect as it might be) that CODE pilots follow their own rules, it's likely that these other pilots generally "do" follow the code ... but happened to pull one of the typical things of hisec -- "Oh, buzzer for [laundry|food|door|etc.] has gone off, I'll just be a minute. What could possibly go wrong if I stay in space?" Code or no, that thinking is what got them killed. They're always innocent, of course.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
347
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Posted - 2015.01.12 19:57:51 -
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The New Halaima Code of Conduct and James 315's associated manifesto's clearly explain why mining, or hauling, or autopiloting while AFK is bad for Eve. Players who do this are trying to gain something, either assets or time, while expending no effort on their part. This tendency to maximize gain while minimizing effort is the heart of botting.
So, its clear that players who AFK WOULD bot if only the rules allowed it. It is the logical conclusion of someone who wants to make more while doing less. If CCP were to institute some loosening of the rules regarding botting some of those who now just AFK would move towards automation. A little more loosening and more would start down this dark path. Soon the fledgling AFKer has become a hardened, exploitive botter. AFKing is BAD, mkay?
And, with the emergence of the New Order of Highsec, its stupid.
Only an idiot or a completely uneducated newbie OR a highsec miner (but I repeat myself) would think its perfectly OK to undock an expensive but untanked ship, siddle up next to an asteroid or ice block in a public space, start the lasers... and then go do the laundry. And yet they do it ALL DAY LONG. Then, to top things off, when they are educated about their bad decision making process they get hostile and refuse to accept that, "What?!? Someone can shoot my ship? GRIEFER!".
Players need to learn that highsec is as dangerous and as full of killers as any low-sec or null-sec system. In fact, there are probably more in a typical highsec ice belt system than in some random low-sec system. If you AFK in highsec, you WILL be shot. Just because some players have avoided it until now doesn't mean it won't happen tonight... or tomorrow. Look at the CODE. killboard. Its filled with plenty of players who thought they could AFK and get away with it.
Well, they didn't. And neither can you.
BBB
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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