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Kazor
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Posted - 2006.09.20 19:54:00 -
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This is what I am thinking of using on missions where I have the option of choosing my warp in distance:
HIGH 5 x Tachyon II's 2 x Heavy Pulse II's 1 x Heavy NOS
MID 3 x Cap II 1 x Fleeting Web
LOW 1 x LAR II 1 x MAR II 1 x ANMII 2 x T2 Hardner (Rat specific) 1 x Extruded Heat Sink II 1 x CPR
Drones are rat specific T2 Medium Tach's are for long-range stuff and pulse's and drone's are for anything that gets close.
should i drop the webber?.....i have seen several guys on this board say "don't web what your drones are attacking"
i would also like suggestions for a setup for deadspace encounters where i am likely to just warp in and not be very far away from my targets....shouls i just exchange the tach's for megapulse II's?
criticism is welcomed (just tell me what you would do differently)
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:00:00 -
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Use a Raven.
However, if you have to settle for the apoc, I'd replace the Tachyons and Heavy Pulse with Megabeams and rely on your drones to take out anything that gets close. Also you generally have two choices for lvl 4 missions: snipe from afar and tank up close. If you choose to snipe drop the tanking stuff for tracking computers/enhancers and damage mods. If your going to tank you'll need a dual large t2 rep setup and probably a cap injector.
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Thorkor
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:12:00 -
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i've thought about using a raven but i am so close to using T2 turrets..... i want to go ahead and try an apoc. if i still cant do level 4s after trying most of the setups i have in mind then i may go ahead and spend a month(according to evemon) training for a raven.
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Thorkor
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:13:00 -
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p.s. i guess the whole point of my post is that i am trying to find a decent sniping setup and a decent tanking ("up close") setup.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr The Drekla Consortium New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:17:00 -
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I've never used a beam setup for level 4's with my Apoc - I've always gone large pulse and let my 5 medium drones tear up anything that gets too close for comfort (Or I'd go 6x pulse 2x assault launcher).
Other than that 3x cap recharger is always a safe thing to do with 2x LAR or a 1x LAR and 1x MAR on 100% of the time along with the hardeners (I normally go 3 hardeners). I would drop the heat sink and go for sustainability unless you are not using megapulse. You could downgrade from megapulse and ease up on the cap-recharge rate as you won't be dishing out as much with your guns.
Again I never used beams for lvl 4's (I find I can't usually pop stuff in time before it gets under my optimal substantially).
Find a friend who can use repair drones - you and that person will never have a problem with lvl 4's =D
Apoc can do a large amount of lvl 4's solo but there are quite a few where you will need a friend (or two) to help pop things (fast enough) or help repair you (fast enough).
Good luck...I lost my apoc on a lvl 4 cause I got webbed down to 0.4 speed and couldn't turn...way too many webber NPC's =P ---
Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE.
Put in space whales!
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Kazor
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:24:00 -
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i see alot of guys that talk about(on the setups sticky) fitting 3 and 4 hardeners. is that amount necessary? on all the level 1 through 3 missions i have done i rarely see a ship that does more than two damage types.
i appreciate the comments, keep 'em coming |
Stephar
The High Priest
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:29:00 -
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I've been playing around with some Apoc setups. This is what I'm currently using:
x8 Modulated Mega Pulse
x3 Cap Recharger II x1 Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
x1 LAR II x3 Active Hardener II x1 EANM II x1 Internal Force Field Array I x1 Cap Relay
The main problem I have with megapulses is the 49km orbitting battleships, so you basically need some sort of tracking computer if you go with pulses. I've been able to complete every mission I've attempted thus far, although I did have to warp out a couple of times for The Right Hand Of Zazzmatazz. I'm still fine tuning the lows, and have been contemplating a dual-rep setup:
x2 LAR II x3 Active Hardener II x2 Cap Relay
I should have T2 drone training completed in the next couple of days, so will experiment with some beam setups at that time (6 beams + 2 siege launchers). Overall, I've been disappointed in the Apoc's performance thus far. I currently earn about as much ISK/hour running level 3's in my Prophecy.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr The Drekla Consortium New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kazor i see alot of guys that talk about(on the setups sticky) fitting 3 and 4 hardeners. is that amount necessary? on all the level 1 through 3 missions i have done i rarely see a ship that does more than two damage types.
i appreciate the comments, keep 'em coming
I use 3 because I find the less damage I take the happier I am =P
In a lot of missions I find enemies that do plenty of damage types. At least 3. I just tank up the 2 primary ones (for example vs sansha, 1 EM 2 Therm). I just prefer to take less and less damage. The only time I used 4 hardeners was on missions that I knew I couldn't do solo and just wanted to absorb all the damage while friends popped stuff. ---
Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE.
Put in space whales!
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tekforce
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: tekforce on 20/09/2006 20:39:55 In all honestly go for a raven, as stated before. I am fully decked out in amarr sp, and all i use this guy for in missions is being a glorified tank while my alt in a raven (with 1/4 of the skill points) destroys everything lightening fast. Sure, I can complete almost all missions with my apoc setup, but I prefer the fast route. Either way this is the setup:
Hi 6 Megapulse 2 (I usually just use T1 crystals so I dont spend a fortune on ammo) 2 Medium pulse 2 for the frigs Mid 4 Cap Recharger 2 Low 2 Accomadation LAR 3 T2 hardeners of choice 2 Cap relay
This runs forever with everything firing even with multis. T2 Drones are your friend!!
WTB Explosive/Kinetic damage for lasers
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Commander Thrawn
Fluffy rabbit killer's inc
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Posted - 2006.09.20 21:47:00 -
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i use mega beam on a apoc for level4s only really works when you can choose your distance
6 mega beams, two cruise launchers sensor booster, web, 2 caps lar, mar, 1600plate 3x hardener mission, cap relay
otherwise i just jump in a zealot
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