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OutThisLife
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Posted - 2006.09.21 02:51:00 -
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First of all, my corp doesn't even like pirating - however I WILL be a pirate so I already know I'll be leaving. But why do SO many corps not allow pirating, when EVE is a PvP game? Why why why =[
Second of all, I'm a 0.2 in a cheap Incursus looking for SOMETHING, I can't find anything though. There's 4 here, wtf? =[
Third of all, the white on the input forms is making me go blind.
<3 you :3
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Verreuckter
Vexillum Nox
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Posted - 2006.09.21 03:05:00 -
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message me in game, ill gladly give you a tussle. just gotta find the right people. as for corps not allowing pvp, or frowning upon it. id imagine its due to RL, its frowned on outside the game, so people believe morals should still be in place. but tbh, i dunno, find a corp you can do what you want in. and yarr it up
Will some one please light a match? It stinks in here!! |
Fanchon
Caldari Infinite Technologies
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Posted - 2006.09.21 03:10:00 -
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1. Because they have delusions as to their own supposed 'moral' superiority
2. Finding targets is tough. It can take a long time to find a possible target, much less a suitable one. Don't forget, just because theres a lot of people in local, doesnt mean that they're all in space and active. They may be docked, or they might be at a POS, or AFK in a safespot. Keep trying, if you cant find a suitable target in a system within 5 minutes, it's best to move on. Make the most of it, rat a bit for some cash, then move on. Piracy takes patience I now leave you to your... MOOSEY FATE!! |
Clydar Dramos
Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.21 03:29:00 -
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Delusions of moral superiority?? Honestly, that's just stupid....
Some people, obviously including yourself, like to play destructively, taking pleasure in in inflicting harm on the unsuspecting.
Others prefer to play constructively, taking pleasure in trading or building stuff, be it ships, POSes or empires.
That's all there is to it - two different styles of play, both equally valid within the context of EVE. For anyone, on either side, to attempt to condemn the other side for their preferred style of play is simply stupid and shows their inability to understand that others may not share their own mentality.
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Chrisbitz
Minmatar United Freedom Front Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.09.21 08:00:00 -
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Eve is NOT a PVP game. It's a completely open game, that if you want you can PVP, and if you don't want, you don't have to PVP.
One is not greater than the other. Everyone needs everyone. Some people talk about carebears, others talk about gloryboys.
I'm bored of reading posts from people who want to change eve to suit themselves. Eve is Eve. Do what you like - it works fine already. (but more evolution is always a good thing) :-)
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Yoko Milan
Phantom Squad iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.21 08:22:00 -
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Finding PVP just depends upon what kind you are looking for.
Want some squad action get a bunch of players together jump into some 0.0 sector and attack some alliance gate camp. 0.0 Entry systems and the low sec just before 0.0 is always a great place to find some pvp.
Go into low sec systems and look for pirates in local,challenge them to some 1on1 most are so bored they'll gladly agree.
Those are the easiest ways to get some honest PVP.
RL "My front door is Gate Camped" |
4rc4ng3L
Gallente DarkSide Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.21 08:23:00 -
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If you want PvP mate come see Darkside, hungry PvPr's are always welcome with us...
Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live... |
Kano Sekor
Amarr S-44 Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.09.21 09:23:00 -
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I whould guess most corps dont allow pirates because if they arent all set up for pvp and someone goes of to a system and pirates it, the victims might check out the info on the pirate and get their corp to war dec the pirates corp. Thereby by not allowing pirates in the corp they avoid unwanted/unneccessary conflicts due to someone pirating in some system the corp doesnt want to claim.
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Demonique
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.21 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: OutThisLife First of all, my corp doesn't even like pirating - however I WILL be a pirate so I already know I'll be leaving. But why do SO many corps not allow pirating, when EVE is a PvP game? Why why why =[
Second of all, I'm a 0.2 in a cheap Incursus looking for SOMETHING, I can't find anything though. There's 4 here, wtf? =[
Third of all, the white on the input forms is making me go blind.
<3 you :3
1) Either because they like having a nice clean corp with trustable members, or they're a bit boring.
2) Patience is a virtue... especially when pirating in a frigate.
3) Get a black marker pen and colour it in
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Liet Traep
Minmatar Black Lance Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.21 11:32:00 -
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Some corps and alliances don't want a reputation as pirates. Pirates pvp extensively though so some corps make allowances or let ex pirates in because they need the fighters.
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Porter Hadlend
Gallente Righteous-Indignation
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Posted - 2006.09.21 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Chrisbitz Eve is NOT a PVP game. It's a completely open game, that if you want you can PVP, and if you don't want, you don't have to PVP.
One is not greater than the other. Everyone needs everyone. Some people talk about carebears, others talk about gloryboys.
I'm bored of reading posts from people who want to change eve to suit themselves. Eve is Eve. Do what you like - it works fine already. (but more evolution is always a good thing) :-)
I would pretty much argue against every thing you said. PVP doesn't only mean shooting people.
PVP quite literally means Player Versus Player. Do you not compete with someone else when you list your market goods lower than theirs?
As lame as it is and boring as it is, it's still competitive. --------------
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Chrisbitz
Minmatar United Freedom Front Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Porter Hadlend
Originally by: Chrisbitz Eve is NOT a PVP game. It's a completely open game, that if you want you can PVP, and if you don't want, you don't have to PVP.
I would pretty much argue against every thing you said. PVP doesn't only mean shooting people.
PVP quite literally means Player Versus Player. Do you not compete with someone else when you list your market goods lower than theirs?
As lame as it is and boring as it is, it's still competitive.
I totally agree with you, but I was referring to PVP in the context of the OP. (assuming you read his post?) :-)
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.09.21 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 21/09/2006 14:01:52
Originally by: Clydar Dramos
Some people, obviously including yourself, like to play destructively, taking pleasure in in inflicting harm on the unsuspecting.
Others prefer to play constructively, taking pleasure in trading or building stuff, be it ships, POSes or empires.
What a load of complete and utter BS.
You're playing a fantasy spaceship computer game, you're not doing ANYTHING constructive apart from wasting a few hours of leisure time.
Furthermore, many players enjoy all aspects of them game. For example, I trade, have run POS, manufacture (own over 300 BPO's), run the odd mission, and mostly I PvP which means blowing things up.
NONE of that is 'constructive', is just *is*... if you enjoy doing it, fine. But don't pretend to yourself that by playing a computer game you're doing anything constructive with your time. You're not.
Additionally, pirating is not about 'taking pleasure from inflicting harm on others', for many its a legitimate economic option and their sole means of income because they have a PvP focused character. NPCing is nowhere near as fun, or if you get piracy right, as profitable.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2006.09.21 16:35:00 -
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On the subject of why a lot of corps don't allow pirating, I think that often the primary reasons are practical economics and politics. They want to stay focused on what they are doing; keep a "good" reputation for dealing with other corps and alliances; and not get the wrong people mad. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Chrisbitz
Minmatar United Freedom Front Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.09.21 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 21/09/2006 14:01:52
Originally by: Clydar Dramos
Some people, obviously including yourself, like to play destructively, taking pleasure in in inflicting harm on the unsuspecting.
What a load of complete and utter BS.
Additionally, pirating is not about 'taking pleasure from inflicting harm on others', for many its a legitimate economic option and their sole means of income because they have a PvP focused character. NPCing is nowhere near as fun, or if you get piracy right, as profitable.
Pirates can repeat till they're blue in the face about how they're charity workers or vicars or social workers in RL, but I'll never believe them in a million years... :-)
They're all just repressed school bullies that are unable to get their kicks in RL. :-)
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Beef Hardslab
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Posted - 2006.09.21 18:51:00 -
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I don't know what your problem is... seems I can't go a day or two without getting into a fight - and I am trying to AVOID pvp at the moment. My advice - try ratting. So far it's the most dangerous occupation in my newbie corp. I've lost 3 Caracals in the last 5 days or so.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.21 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: OutThisLife First of all, my corp doesn't even like pirating - however I WILL be a pirate so I already know I'll be leaving. But why do SO many corps not allow pirating, when EVE is a PvP game? Why why why =[
Probably because Eve is a game of reputation and accountability in many ways. That and piracy is not the only pvp to be had by any means.
That said, you should be able to find plenty of pirate organizations looking to pick you up.
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Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.21 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Clydar Dramos Delusions of moral superiority?? Honestly, that's just stupid....
Some people, obviously including yourself, like to play destructively, taking pleasure in in inflicting harm on the unsuspecting.
Others prefer to play constructively, taking pleasure in trading or building stuff, be it ships, POSes or empires.
That's all there is to it - two different styles of play, both equally valid within the context of EVE. For anyone, on either side, to attempt to condemn the other side for their preferred style of play is simply stupid and shows their inability to understand that others may not share their own mentality.
That's pretty damn arrogant right there, our side is intrinsically evil and yours is benign and peaceful.
Originally by: Chrisbitz Pirates can repeat till they're blue in the face about how they're charity workers or vicars or social workers in RL, but I'll never believe them in a million years... :-)
They're all just repressed school bullies that are unable to get their kicks in RL. :-)
My step-father hits me at night , and I can't take it out at school so I'm coming for you!
Honestly people, neither side is morally superior - its a ******* game, if I see an opportunity to make myself richer and have some fun I don't care if its at the expense of an NPC or a player, I'll take it. Its not a matter of morality, its a matter of winning (or doing well) at a game.
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Galan Amarias
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Posted - 2006.09.21 20:48:00 -
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For love of hell.
Pirating in EVE is no more intrinsicly evil than watitng for five min in BF2 so you can blow somoene's face off as they spawn. Combat is part of the game. It's a game with combat. Starting combat is part of the game... get it? You don't have to fight you can run and hide from the fighting, but the fighting is not evil.
That being said, as a member of a corp that encourages PVP combat and bans piracy it's all about the rep. Lots and lots of EVE is all about the rep. We have a reputaiotn as anti-pirates that means we spend our time hunting pirates and if we let some in the corp well.. we'd be hyprycrites wouldn't we.
If you want to find PVP combat you can head into low sec. Spend time in the belts.. sooner or later you will either a, find another player mining or ratting, or b, get jumped.
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Christopher Dalran
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Posted - 2006.09.21 21:02:00 -
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Corporations that want to keep friendly relations with the corporations based around them will forbit pirating because they dont want you ****ing someone off that is important for them making money.
Yeah you can make a fair ammount of ISK pirating but that in no way compares to the GIANT piles of isk you can make with a strong industry in eve.
Basically they dont want to screwing over their business just to make some chump change.
Anti pirating is also commong because those industrial corporations dont want people killing miners while they are trying to mine the materials needed for them to make items to sell.
Yes eve is a PVP game but its not JUST a pvp game, anyone wanting to protect their corporations investments will activly hunt pirates in their frequented systems (I know because i hunt down and remove quite a few, we have a list of trouble makers and it is quite fun destroying them whenever they wander nearby).
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Delnas
White-Noise
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Posted - 2006.09.21 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: OutThisLife I WILL be a pirate so I already know I'll be leaving.
Second of all, I'm a 0.2 in a cheap Incursus looking for SOMETHING, I can't find anything though.
Your in a carebear corportion. You will be leaving it shortly. You want to fire on carebears. Its easyer to kill people who fausly trust you. You can freely kill corporation members in high & low sec without CONCORD killing you or sec loss.
I don't see the problem. You've got targets, and you know where they are. You just don't know they are targets... yet.
**** White-Noise Nuff said. |
Swamp Ziro
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.21 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Delnas
Originally by: OutThisLife I WILL be a pirate so I already know I'll be leaving.
Second of all, I'm a 0.2 in a cheap Incursus looking for SOMETHING, I can't find anything though.
Your in a carebear corportion. You will be leaving it shortly. You want to fire on carebears. Its easyer to kill people who fausly trust you. You can freely kill corporation members in high & low sec without CONCORD killing you or sec loss.
I don't see the problem. You've got targets, and you know where they are. You just don't know they are targets... yet.
Hahah, win
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Nafri
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.21 22:20:00 -
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We dont like piracy cause I dont want any people with a worser sec than me around myself
From Dusk till Dawn
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Cecil Montague
Minmatar KarWal Corporation Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.21 23:19:00 -
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In the end there is "them" and there is "us".
You do you best to make "us" stronger and "them" dead.
How you define "them" and "us" is up to you.
"There is no such thing as an effective segment of totality." - Bruce Lee
Karwal Security Director and corp Jester. |
Clydar Dramos
Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.22 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Originally by: Clydar Dramos
That's all there is to it - two different styles of play, both equally valid within the context of EVE. For anyone, on either side, to attempt to condemn the other side for their preferred style of play is simply stupid and shows their inability to understand that others may not share their own mentality.
That's pretty damn arrogant right there, our side is intrinsically evil and yours is benign and peaceful.
You highlighted the wrong part, or maybe you never read it. This is the bit relevant to your post: Quote: That's all there is to it - two different styles of play, both equally valid within the context of EVE.
I never mentioned the morality of either style, because morality doesn't really apply here at all.
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 21/09/2006 14:01:52 What a load of complete and utter BS.
You're playing a fantasy spaceship computer game, you're not doing ANYTHING constructive apart from wasting a few hours of leisure time.
Furthermore, many players enjoy all aspects of them game. For example, I trade, have run POS, manufacture (own over 300 BPO's), run the odd mission, and mostly I PvP which means blowing things up.
NONE of that is 'constructive', is just *is*... if you enjoy doing it, fine. But don't pretend to yourself that by playing a computer game you're doing anything constructive with your time. You're not.
Additionally, pirating is not about 'taking pleasure from inflicting harm on others', for many its a legitimate economic option and their sole means of income because they have a PvP focused character. NPCing is nowhere near as fun, or if you get piracy right, as profitable.
BS yourself matey. It is contructive within the game - don't drag this into RL. Some like to build and create, some like to tear stuff down, that's just the way it is and always will be. Oh, and please don't tell me that there aren't plenty people out there who thoroughly enjoy causing others distress, 'cause that'd just be too naive for words...
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Gray Carmicheal
Caldari Wings of Redemption 9th Fleet
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Posted - 2006.09.22 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Chrisbitz Eve is NOT a PVP game. It's a completely open game, that if you want you can PVP, and if you don't want, you don't have to PVP.
One is not greater than the other. Everyone needs everyone. Some people talk about carebears, others talk about gloryboys.
I'm bored of reading posts from people who want to change eve to suit themselves. Eve is Eve. Do what you like - it works fine already. (but more evolution is always a good thing) :-)
I really wish I could find that quote of Oveur saying "EVE Is primarily a PVP game." It, therefore, ends your arguement right there.
Mmm Boobies.
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Jimmy Doe
Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.09.22 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Clydar Dramos Delusions of moral superiority?? Honestly, that's just stupid....
Some people, obviously including yourself, like to play destructively, taking pleasure in in inflicting harm on the unsuspecting.
Others prefer to play constructively, taking pleasure in trading or building stuff, be it ships, POSes or empires.
That's all there is to it - two different styles of play, both equally valid within the context of EVE. For anyone, on either side, to attempt to condemn the other side for their preferred style of play is simply stupid and shows their inability to understand that others may not share their own mentality.
if everyone builds and no one destroys, what would be the point of building more?
and to answer the OP, just go to pure blind, you'll get your fill of pvp and it will only take you about 20 secs to find it.
You look at me and you laugh at the noob, but look at your wallet and see that insurance the SCC just paid you for your loss |
spRAYed
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.22 11:29:00 -
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1: Come to Ami. If there's no carebears to shoot, shoot other pirates.
2: I love u Butter Dog.
3: Never got further then 2.... ------------------------------
pArlT? Ur watching too many movies dude... ^Sig by Liu Mang |
Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.09.22 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Clydar Dramos
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Originally by: Clydar Dramos
That's all there is to it - two different styles of play, both equally valid within the context of EVE. For anyone, on either side, to attempt to condemn the other side for their preferred style of play is simply stupid and shows their inability to understand that others may not share their own mentality.
That's pretty damn arrogant right there, our side is intrinsically evil and yours is benign and peaceful.
You highlighted the wrong part, or maybe you never read it. This is the bit relevant to your post: Quote: That's all there is to it - two different styles of play, both equally valid within the context of EVE.
I never mentioned the morality of either style, because morality doesn't really apply here at all.
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 21/09/2006 14:01:52 What a load of complete and utter BS.
You're playing a fantasy spaceship computer game, you're not doing ANYTHING constructive apart from wasting a few hours of leisure time.
Furthermore, many players enjoy all aspects of them game. For example, I trade, have run POS, manufacture (own over 300 BPO's), run the odd mission, and mostly I PvP which means blowing things up.
NONE of that is 'constructive', is just *is*... if you enjoy doing it, fine. But don't pretend to yourself that by playing a computer game you're doing anything constructive with your time. You're not.
Additionally, pirating is not about 'taking pleasure from inflicting harm on others', for many its a legitimate economic option and their sole means of income because they have a PvP focused character. NPCing is nowhere near as fun, or if you get piracy right, as profitable.
BS yourself matey. It is contructive within the game - don't drag this into RL. Some like to build and create, some like to tear stuff down, that's just the way it is and always will be. Oh, and please don't tell me that there aren't plenty people out there who thoroughly enjoy causing others distress, 'cause that'd just be too naive for words...
haha i constructivly completed sonic the hedgehog last night.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.09.22 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Dalran
Yeah you can make a fair ammount of ISK pirating but that in no way compares to the GIANT piles of isk you can make with a strong industry in eve.
Are you suggesting the two are mutally exclusive?
You talk as if its one or the other. I do both. Perfectly successfully.
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