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Lord Parallax
Phoenix Industries
Wicked Nations
5
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:11:46 -
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So I am sitting in space cloaked up scouting local, have a few reds in system but no war targets.
Then my alliance chat starts flashing I take a look and it is one of our miners linking his retriever and his pod loss.
I look at who the aggressor is and it is a member of the corp we are at war with, I look back and local and it still says the pilot is a member of their alt corp not a member of the War corp.
I look at his bio and it updates to say that the pilot had switched corps not more than a few minutes ago.. but he hasn't registered as a war target at all.
Is this legal? |
Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
622
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:14:28 -
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So far as I know, yes it is.
However, a few corp mates have had their ships replaced after losing them to this tactic. So it may be considered to be an exploit.
Vote Sabriz!
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19375
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:25:48 -
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Support ticket.
Like nuking stuff from orbit, its the only way to be sure.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Marlona Sky
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
5864
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:35:27 -
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What is the time frame from joint the corp and attacking a war target? I believe there was something mentioned a while back about doing it too fast is a no no. But like what was said, file a petition before you accidentally get yourself into trouble.
The Paradox
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
7521
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:36:28 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:
However, a few corp mates have had their ships replaced after losing them to this tactic. So it may be considered to be an exploit.
**** the ship replacement thing.
The number one thing CCP can do is remove kill reports if the kill was deemed illegal. All these morons care about is their KB. So if the kills are denied and not API verifiable, most grief type behavior will become a rare thing.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Marsan
253
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:37:39 -
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Corp hopping is sort of a grey area. If you leave or join corp during a war it's fine even if it's to avoid or attack war targets. Things get grey when you start doing things where you swap corps to take advantage of in game issues with the overview or con people into condording themselves or ignoring you.
In the past I've had war targets pop into station, drop corp, undock, lock me as if they were going to attack me. They were also still red in the overview. You report the issue sometimes people get banned, sometimes not. It's clear this is the sort of thing that GMs don't like, but it's not clear where the line is. It's made more fuzzy as you aren't allowed to post the ban when a GM gave you a ban of X days or gave you a warning. Not to mention you get no feedback reporting.
Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
622
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:47:56 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:
However, a few corp mates have had their ships replaced after losing them to this tactic. So it may be considered to be an exploit.
**** the ship replacement thing. The number one thing CCP can do is remove kill reports if the kill was deemed illegal. All these morons care about is their KB. So if the kills are denied and not API verifiable, most grief type behavior will become a rare thing. Mr Epeen
We were all pretty surprised when the ships were given back. I know one guy filed a ticket, but I don't think everyone who had their ships replaced all filed tickets.
Personally, I was fine with just tipping my hat to a a well timed and planned attack.
Vote Sabriz!
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Shailagh
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2015.01.16 03:10:10 -
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This aint no grey area. Ccp has stated exactly what is sploit and what is allowed reguarding this is many places many times.
YOU MUST HAVE A SESSION CHANGE BETWEEN JOINING CORP AND KILLING WARTARGET.
YOU CANNOT BE ON GRID WITH SOON-TO-BE WARTARGET AND JOIN THEN SHOOT RIGHT AWAY. YOU MUST SESSION CHANGE. IE UNDOCK FROM STATION YOU JOINED AT OR WARP INTO SYSYTEM FROM THE GATE YOU WERE AT WHILE JOINING.
And to make this problem solve itself now... THERE IS NOW A MANDATORY SESSION CHANGE WHEN ANYONE JOINS CORP NOW. YOU MUST BE IN POD OR DOCKED TO JOIN NOW SO THERE IS ALWAYS A SESSION CHANGE.
So dudes. No grey area no he said she said.
Session change=valid war target |
Vector Symian
0 Fear
20
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Posted - 2015.01.16 03:34:52 -
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If they hold roles in the corp their is a 24 cool down timer before they can leave
so as long as they have roles they wont do it as a effective strategy |
Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
622
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Posted - 2015.01.16 03:46:39 -
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Here's the order that it works in:
1. Killer1 is offered a spot in MercCorp1.
2. MercCorp1 declares war on IndyFolks Inc.
3. The 24 hours passes between the war dec and the war becoming active.
4. The moment the war is active, Killer1 accepts his invitation to MercCorp1, thus making everyone in IndyFolks Inc. a viable target.
Vote Sabriz!
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Shailagh
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2015.01.16 04:04:02 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Here's the order that it works in:
1. Killer1 is offered a spot in MercCorp1.
2. MercCorp1 declares war on IndyFolks Inc.
3. The 24 hours passes between the war dec and the war becoming active.
4. The moment the war is active, Killer1 accepts his invitation to MercCorp1, thus making everyone in IndyFolks Inc. a viable target.
That is totally legal unless dude is on grid with soon-to-be target or somehow (impossible now after new change they just made) dude doesnt session change. Its legal bro. Dude can be in next belt in a ship, eject to pod, accept app, WAIT FOR SESSION CHANGE, reboard ship then go kill.
KEY WORD IS SESSION CHANGE. CCP STATED THIS MANY TIMES. ITS ON THE OFFICIAL EXPLOIT PAGE TOO. GO READ IT. SESSSSSSSION CHANGE/NOT ON GRID===LEGAL MECHANIC |
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
59
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Posted - 2015.01.16 04:17:50 -
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I too like to use the Caps Lock key. |
Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
622
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Posted - 2015.01.16 04:20:54 -
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Rawketsled wrote:I too like to use the Caps Lock key.
Eh, he ain't wrong though. Session change is key.
Vote Sabriz!
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5481
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Posted - 2015.01.16 05:34:32 -
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Vector Symian wrote:If they hold roles in the corp their is a 24 cool down timer before they can leave
so as long as they have roles they wont do it as a effective strategy
This is so 2014.
You do know that even with director roles, you can instantly quit a corp now?
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Lord Parallax
Phoenix Industries
Wicked Nations
5
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Posted - 2015.01.16 07:39:52 -
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Ok. So if it requires a session change. How is it that he did not show up as a valid war target for almost half an hour after he changed corps and made the kill? I did not see him on my local list as 1 until he left system and came back. |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5481
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Posted - 2015.01.16 08:10:30 -
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Delete for forum cleaning sake.
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zindeen
Poor Old Ornery nOObs
Brothers of Tangra
0
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Posted - 2015.01.16 08:28:15 -
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You did not see him in local does not mean he was not there. Could of been something as simple as having a alt floating beside you waiting for the kill |
Gregor Parud
917
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Posted - 2015.01.16 09:41:20 -
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Lord Parallax wrote:So I am sitting in space cloaked up scouting local, have a few reds in system but no war targets.
Then my alliance chat starts flashing I take a look and it is one of our miners linking his retriever and his pod loss.
I look at who the aggressor is and it is a member of the corp we are at war with, I look back and local and it still says the pilot is a member of their alt corp not a member of the War corp.
I look at his bio and it updates to say that the pilot had switched corps not more than a few minutes ago.. but he hasn't registered as a war target at all.
Is this legal?
It's a bit arbitrary but generally speaking if the corp change happened while not being in system where the attack happened then it's fine as it'll show the player with the correct flags. If the corp change happened in the system the attack happened moments later then it can be deemed an exploit. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7367
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Posted - 2015.01.16 09:46:37 -
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Ohhhhhh "Hopping"!
Not Hoping.
I was extremely confused about the title.
"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway
"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
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Serene Repose
2092
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Posted - 2015.01.16 09:46:44 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Like nuking stuff from orbit, its the only way to be sure.
You keep quoting Ellen Ripley. Why you keep quoting Ellen Ripley?
I thought it was "hoping" too. I thought, how absurd hoping to surprise a war target with your war.
Then, I'm reading about corp hopping in reverse, hopping in to attack, not to run?
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8527
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Posted - 2015.01.16 10:08:23 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Rawketsled wrote:I too like to use the Caps Lock key. Eh, he ain't wrong though. Session change is key.
True but still,
IT CAPITALISES NORMALLY OR ELSE IT GETS THE TROLL AGAIN.
As far as I'm aware it is considered sketchy if one or both of ye might be taking advantage of the overview bug.
Whenever a war goes live while we are online most of us will relog to be absolutely safe and we tend to time them so they go live around downtime so as to prevent this thing happeng accidentally.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
18447
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Posted - 2015.01.16 10:27:10 -
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I HAVE CLOTHES ON OKAY???
Ralph King-Griffin > **** you sol, years, ****ing years since thats happend
The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D
Come along now, come along with me and I'll eeaasee your pain..
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3619
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Posted - 2015.01.16 10:55:24 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post .
The Rules:
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Dradis Aulmais
By Light and Banner's Fallen
625
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Posted - 2015.01.16 14:20:37 -
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You have several different answers from us forum warriors. Go petition CCP they are the only ones who will give you the right answer.
CAPS LOCK MANDITORY RAGE COMMENT HERE |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3086
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Posted - 2015.01.19 05:51:55 -
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Why was someone flying a retriever during an active war?
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1879
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Posted - 2015.01.19 08:23:52 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Why was someone flying a retriever during an active war?
Because they were watching local and deep scan? And therefore if not for the exploit would have been safe?
Just a thought of course. |
Jaantrag
11
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Posted - 2015.01.19 09:11:28 -
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A. Ticket
B. Session change might work for the one jumping corps, but not always the change show up on the other players overview or local list. plenty of times ive seen players i have set in my contacts list coming to system showing as neutrals, untill i go thro a session change myself, or do something else to make the standings f5 themself.
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
485
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Posted - 2015.01.19 09:13:40 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Support ticket.
Like nuking stuff from orbit, its the only way to be sure.
State-of-the-badasss-art reference right there!
" And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit -
I never felt so good, I never felt so hid ! "
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Shailagh
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:48:38 -
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Jaantrag wrote:A. Ticket
B. Session change might work for the one jumping corps, but not always the change show up on the other players overview or local list. plenty of times ive seen players i have set in my contacts list coming to system showing as neutrals, untill i go thro a session change myself, or do something else to make the standings f5 themself.
How am i supposed to make YOU perfom a session change while your mining? LolWut?
If the agressor performs a session change== legal.
WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS OMG |
Red Teufel
Mafia Redux
412
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:58:25 -
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You need to look at it this way. If they are corp hoping they are defeated. Their organization is so terrible that they are willing to abandon it and form a new one to avoid a war with you. Time to move on. |
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