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Shailagh
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.19 15:07:16 -
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Red Teufel wrote:You need to look at it this way. If they are corp hoping they are defeated. Their organization is so terrible that they are willing to abandon it and form a new one to avoid a war with you. Time to move on.
1. They should pay the 50mill min dec fee back to agressors then.
2. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IT THW OTHER WAY, AS IN THE WAY THIS THREAD IS ABOUT BRAH. MAYBE U SHOULD GO AHEAD AND READ THE OP AGAIN DUdE |
Agent Unknown
Night Theifs DamnedNation
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Posted - 2015.01.19 15:09:05 -
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I've seen the local list do some funny things. More than once I've seen blues be reported in an intel channel because local showed them as neutral but when you "Show Info" them, they're blue.
I've encountered this myself as well and session changes (like docking) didn't clear it. There were 5 "neutrals" in the same system I was in, but 4 of them were actually blue to me (one of them an alliance mate, even!). Only one was neutral. Since then, I've grown to not trust the local list and usually "show info" people I don't recognize if they appear neutral.
So, it's really quite possible that they didn't show up as a war target even after a session change. |
Shailagh
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.19 15:13:08 -
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Agent Unknown wrote:I've seen the local list do some funny things. More than once I've seen blues be reported in an intel channel because local showed them as neutral but when you "Show Info" them, they're blue.
I've encountered this myself as well and session changes (like docking) didn't clear it. There were 5 "neutrals" in the same system I was in, but 4 of them were actually blue to me (one of them an alliance mate, even!). Only one was neutral. Since then, I've grown to not trust the local list and usually "show info" people I don't recognize if they appear neutral.
So, it's really quite possible that they didn't show up as a war target even after a session change.
Errrytime i ever died in a war, id like all my ships replaced then cuz ummmm LOCAL WAS BUGGED N THEY WERENT RED I SWEAR! THEY EVEN CONVOED ME AND MADE ME SESSION CHANGE YET THEY STILL WERE NOT REDS. I WANT ISK WAAAAAA WHAAA |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.01.19 16:04:37 -
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I love my alliance. We don't care about war declarations. Either people know how to get in and out for their shopping or we shake our heads with a warm smile and tell the silly thing how to do it better next time.
I am so glad to not have to worry about them any longer.
That said though, if you have a network of scouts to keep your carebear safe and some guy hops in from a NPC corp within that net, it is really under handed. The defenders have done their best but some cheating leaves no response time.
To the OP - maybe it is time to get a POS, stick your miners in a worm hole for a bit (make sure you have Deep Space transports or geared up ore haulers) and don't let them out until the war is over?
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE! errm mechanics! Rage against the mechanics? YES! WHY CANT YOU FOOLS SEE?! EVERYTHING SO OBVIOUS!!1! ERMAGAD!!1!
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Cannibal Kane
Blood Raiders Elite
4654
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Posted - 2015.01.20 03:57:34 -
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Lord Parallax wrote:Ok. So if it requires a session change. How is it that he did not show up as a valid war target for almost half an hour after he changed corps and made the kill? I did not see him on my local list as 1 until he left system and came back.
It is your client.
Same thing happens when a war ends. You targets still appear as targets even though you cannot shoot at them. The minute log off and log on cache resets and they will not appear as targets anymore.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.01.20 08:08:58 -
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Shailagh wrote:Post with stuck capslock Please refrain from posting in all-caps in the future. Disregarding this warning might have consequences.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
856
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Posted - 2015.01.20 14:46:46 -
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Lord Parallax wrote:So I am sitting in space cloaked up scouting local, have a few reds in system but no war targets. Then my alliance chat starts flashing I take a look and it is one of our miners linking his retriever and his pod loss.
I look at who the aggressor is and it is a member of the corp we are at war with, I look back and local and it still says the pilot is a member of their alt corp not a member of the War corp.
I look at his bio and it updates to say that the pilot had switched corps not more than a few minutes ago.. but he hasn't registered as a war target at all.
Is this legal?
It's a ****** mechanic that is allowed so long as they are docked when they join the corp. Otherwise it's an exploit.
CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff
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Sarah Flynt
Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2015.01.20 15:36:19 -
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Shailagh wrote:LOCAL WAS BUGGED N THEY WERENT RED I SWEAR! No matter how much you try to ridicule it, that is exactly what (can) happen and I'm sure certain people exploit it because of this very reason. I've witnessed it myself some time ago and couldn't believe it at first. Fortunately the wardeccers were pretty fail (probably why they had to resort to such "tactics") and the target was heavily tanked which gave me enough time to get a PVP ship, kill the tackle and warp out the target.
I'm a little surprised that it still hasn't been fixed yet.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.01.20 16:01:37 -
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Quote:Is corp hoping to surprise a war target allowed?
Sure is.
Why, just yesterday I was hoping to surprise a war target. But he saw me hiding behind the asteroid.
Maybe next time.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:44:51 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post.
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Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
282
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:39:54 -
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The entire war dec system needs to be completely overhauled. |
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:43:17 -
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This is a grey area, and is definitely not the most honorable for of pvp.
But in this case it seems they are using it in conjunction with the recent very prominent issues with local not working correctly, to the point where some people aren't even seeing pilots they have flagged and are in station with. Not sure why the local issues have gotten worse lately but def not cool for people to be taking advantage of.
You really can't fault the 'carebears' mining during a war as long as they had scouts and were watching local. I lost a mining fleet to this years ago when guys were jumping between war corps 3-4 times a day (they would jump in, make the kill, and jump out of corp soon as they hit station again. |
Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:17:18 -
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This whole post reads of lazy game mechanics that should of been fixed a long time ago.
Grey area? It reads of lazy programming. Much like the whole war dec and war dec dodging system.
If you have to make a excuse for the game you have a problem. |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:25:20 -
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This is simply a case of 'What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.'
War decs do need work though.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:32:39 -
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No any "mechanic" that is perfectly legal to perform in game but you need a GM to follow up on in broken.
This goes way beyond griefing newbies this is just broken game mechanics for everyone.
Accepting broken as the norm is pretty dumb, but hey lets have GM's responding to pointless calls im sure we can afford it right? |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:39:44 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:No any "mechanic" that is perfectly legal to perform in game but you need a GM to follow up on in broken.
This goes way beyond griefing newbies this is just broken game mechanics for everyone.
Accepting broken as the norm is pretty dumb, but hey lets have GM's responding to pointless calls im sure we can afford it right? I agree war decs are broken.
But I do like the idea that some are using the avoidance technique, to actually kill players instead. If it's good for the goose......
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
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Posted - 2015.01.22 01:48:12 -
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Adding a P may have worked wonders for this thread. PROOFREADING starts with one of those.
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
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Shailagh
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.22 04:05:28 -
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Agree the wardec dodging corp folding- insta reopening for a couple mill is broken and should be deemed and explotation of gane m3chanics.
To close a corp at war you should have to pay the surrender fee, defaulted to 50mill or whatever cost of war ended up being. |
Shailagh
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.22 04:08:21 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:This whole post reads of lazy game mechanics that should of been fixed a long time ago.
Grey area? It reads of lazy programming. Much like the whole war dec and war dec dodging system.
If you have to make a excuse for the game you have a problem.
Im wars will be the next to go in their save the newbros we need million subs mentality thats coming back to them again.
I am a comptur programmer and this it doesnt take YEARS to fix these things. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2751
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Posted - 2015.01.22 05:25:19 -
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Lord Parallax wrote:So I am sitting in space cloaked up scouting local, have a few reds in system but no war targets. Then my alliance chat starts flashing I take a look and it is one of our miners linking his retriever and his pod loss.
I look at who the aggressor is and it is a member of the corp we are at war with, I look back and local and it still says the pilot is a member of their alt corp not a member of the War corp.
I look at his bio and it updates to say that the pilot had switched corps not more than a few minutes ago.. but he hasn't registered as a war target at all.
Is this legal?
Having been reported myself and having reported others previously, I'll say this:
You are only allowed to hop into a war corp and kill a target if you jump through a star gate (so your local updates with your new standings) and at least 5 minutes pass before you agress your target.
If your dreaming of sitting next to a wt and then hopping into a war corp moments before you agro him.... lets just say your gonna have a bad time with the petitions that follow suit.
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
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Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
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Posted - 2015.01.22 05:29:25 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:
and at least 5 minutes pass before you agress your target.
wut bout 4:59? no go? this seems made up cuz it is.
citation needed. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2751
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Posted - 2015.01.22 05:40:40 -
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Kaelynne Rose wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:
and at least 5 minutes pass before you agress your target.
wut bout 4:59? no go? this seems made up cuz it is. citation needed.
Regarding not being allowed to do so in the same system while in space:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1555743&page=1#6
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Exploit_notifications
Since I'm not allowed to post GM correspondence on the forums (Eve forum rules, go cite it yourself), I"ll merely relay that the GM's I've had this chat with over the last few year(s) indicated that I needed to "make a few jumps or wait at least 5 minutes" before I do anything.
If you're that desperate to get a citation though, hop into a corp, gank, petition yourself and see what happens.
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
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Shailagh
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.22 05:58:09 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Kaelynne Rose wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:
and at least 5 minutes pass before you agress your target.
wut bout 4:59? no go? this seems made up cuz it is. citation needed. Regarding not being allowed to do so in the same system while in space: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1555743&page=1#6 https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Exploit_notifications Since I'm not allowed to post GM correspondence on the forums (Eve forum rules, go cite it yourself), I"ll merely relay that the GM's I've had this chat with over the last few year(s) indicated that I needed to "make a few jumps or wait at least 5 minutes" before I do anything. If you're that desperate to get a citation though, hop into a corp, gank, petition yourself and see what happens.
"Note that this only applies when changing corporations while on grid with the war target, this exploit cannot be performed if pilots switch corps while docked."
Soo not on grid and session change like i first stated forever ago.
*also fun awox funfact. I have had apps invited, went to belt, locked soon-to-be-corpmate in a barge, accepted app to corp and shot within .6 seconda of being in his corp... all legally and still is legal today. |
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