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Renard Solo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.16 09:14:08 -
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Hello, been playing a short while but i read an awful lot on forums.
Short answer let them win. Either fit a tank so theycant kill you before concord shows, or dont afk and move everytime you suspect they are around. Simple target denial. While this means they win it also leaves them with nothing to do. Sounds paradoxical but every other way will fail as taking out the gank ships means nothing as they are going to lose them anyway.
I know im gonna get flamed for this lol but let em win, target denial leaves them with nothing to do. |
Valkin Mordirc
571
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Posted - 2015.01.16 09:58:33 -
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I can't really see you getting flamed.
Trolled sure, thats a given here.
But you're right. *shrugs*
Also yay another CODE. Thread. Y TEH BITCHES <3 U SO MUCH?!
#DeleteTheWeak
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Siegfried Cohenberg
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2015.01.16 11:27:12 -
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I also recommend paying the ransom whenever you get bumped in a freighter |
Tasspool Harp
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2015.01.16 11:30:38 -
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Renard Solo wrote:Hello, been playing a short while but i read an awful lot on forums.
Short answer let them win. Either fit a tank so theycant kill you before concord shows, or dont afk and move everytime you suspect they are around. Simple target denial. While this means they win it also leaves them with nothing to do. Sounds paradoxical but every other way will fail as taking out the gank ships means nothing as they are going to lose them anyway.
I know im gonna get flamed for this lol but let em win, target denial leaves them with nothing to do.
Ps i agree about. Afk and multi boxers but belive if people enjoy high sec the shouldnt be forced out as they will leave and thats bad for the game.
Hi
I can't see anything flame-worthy here. Your suggestions seem quite practical.
"Short answer let them win." Now that might strike some as problematic because CODE are the bad guys and we can't let evil triumph yadda yadda. The mindset that some players get themselves into on being taunted that "CODE always win" just leads to frustration because they find themselves entering into a futile exercise of trying to prove that CODE can be beaten. That is like playing chess against an opponent who has no king. No matter what you do you can never force checkmate and they will argue every time you failed to beat them. Why would you want to play that game ?
The trick is not to get sucked in and play the CODE game.
Unless you want to of course.
Here is another idea. Think of CODE as being like all those red crosses that dot the game. Those crosses were in the game yesterday. They are here now. No matter how many you shoot today they will be back again tomorrow.
Do any of us care about our inability to clear Eve of all those red crosses ?
No.
Do any us really pay much attention to what some Serpentis or NPC Merc leader says while you're in a mission ?
No. So why care about the smack talk being spouted by CODE in local ? Block them if you want some clear air in local.
Think of CODE as just another environmental hazard in the game. Tank or Move. Engage if you wish.
Most importantly don't let others dictate how you should play the game. View the game through your own prism.
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Renard Solo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2015.01.16 11:48:10 -
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Nice post, like your thinking |
Leto Thule
Team Pizza Disavowed.
2006
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Posted - 2015.01.16 12:52:03 -
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Yeah, following the tank your ship and pay attention style of EVE is the best way to win.
But why did we need another CODE. thread?
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
246
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Posted - 2015.01.16 13:24:11 -
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Congrats OP, you figured it out! No, that's not me being sarcastic. Not getting ganked (or being at very, very, very low risk of ganking) is super easy. In short it's: flying a tanked skiff/procurer.
The New Order will always have something to do unless suicide ganking is removed from game or is nerfed so hard it's practically impossible though. If every miner were to fly heavily tanked and be atk attention will be switched to different targets (which is already the case), shuttles, pods, haulers, freighters etc etc.
You don't have to win the 'war with Code.', you just have to make sure you're not a victim in it. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1088
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Posted - 2015.01.16 13:27:55 -
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To OP:
Your jib , sir.
I like it.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
172
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Posted - 2015.01.16 13:57:22 -
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Since they already won eve, they just could leave eve!
But almost every other MMO would ban ppl griefing other players.
Forum Main
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
246
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Posted - 2015.01.16 14:01:58 -
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La Rynx wrote:Since they already won eve, they just could leave eve!
But almost every other MMO would ban ppl griefing other players. The New Order has already stretched it's wings over to other MMO's. Too lazy to find the link on minerbumping though...
Eventually, the entire MMO-world will obey the Code! \o/ |
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Kairos Antilles
The Scope Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2015.01.16 14:02:56 -
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Siegfried Cohenberg wrote:I also recommend paying the ransom whenever you get bumped in a freighter
...then getting blown to smithereens anyway |
Renard Solo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2015.01.16 14:32:27 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:To OP:
Your jib , sir.
I like it.
Thankyou kind sir but i suspect a trap of some kind according to your sig |
Drez Arthie
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.01.16 15:23:59 -
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Playing in groups rather than solo is less prone to ganks, isn't it? So why not have corp mining ops, freight ops, etc., have a beer together and chat on TS/Mumble instead of boring solo play. |
Velicitia
XS Tech
2775
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Posted - 2015.01.16 15:54:43 -
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Drez Arthie wrote:Playing in groups rather than solo is less prone to ganks, isn't it? So why not have corp mining ops, freight ops, etc., have a beer together and chat on TS/Mumble instead of boring solo play.
Because apparently it's soul-crushingly boring to do.
(hint, if you're on comms, and relaying stories of great adventures of the past - both in game, and IRL - these types of missions are always a good time).
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
111
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:17:22 -
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OP ignores the most obvious, cheapest, and morally superior action: buy a permit.
10M ISK per year. Permit tank, best tank.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Drez Arthie
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:41:30 -
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Revis Owen wrote:OP ignores the most obvious, cheapest, and morally superior action: buy a permit.
10M ISK per year. Permit tank, best tank.
Does your permit include protection by CODE vs. other entities? I believe that's how RL gangsters do it. |
Ragnar D IX
Ayn Rand Corporation
5
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:50:57 -
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In my experience...
I dunno why anyone uses a Retty or Mack anymore: WAY to squishy. Odds move to the miner with a Procurer or Skiff... in .9 or 1.0 space.
Also...
Any mining fleet ought to have ecm support.. by which .. I mean an armor-tanked Scorpion with sensor boosts.
Also.. to you rock hounds... if someone in an ecm boat intervenes on your behalf.. throw them a bone sometime.. esp if they save your precious barge!
My two cents...
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Mag's
the united
18740
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:28:57 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:To OP:
Your jib , sir.
I like it. I too, like the cut of the OP's jib.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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loyalanon
The Conference Elite CODE.
623
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:31:02 -
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La Rynx wrote:Since they already won eve, they just could leave eve!
But almost every other MMO would ban ppl griefing other players.
I didn't realize using valid game mechanics was griefing |
Renard Solo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:53:55 -
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No way buy a permit lol waht a waste of money lol. If they apear just move and if you cant run either try and hold on with a tank till concord gets there or just do as much damage as possible before you die. Why would i waste isk giving it away? Thats just silly . Bad poster naughty . |
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Renard Solo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:10:35 -
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Dont get me wrong, they break no rules doing what they do as eve is mean to have the element of danger wherever you are. Target denial is just the easiest way to go as it plays them at there own game using game mechanics to avoid them. Yes they win by us being at the keyboard but hey why sub a game to afk play? Lets just take away the targets and have some fun |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
848
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:37:10 -
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Damn you found our only weakness!
Sabriz for CSMX!
Consider voting Tora as well.
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Renard Solo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:47:49 -
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To bastardise voltaire i might dissagree with how you play but i will defend to the death your right to play that way lol |
Jasmine Deer
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:32:12 -
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Renard Solo wrote:Buy a permit? what a waste of money lol. If they apear just move and if you cant run either try and hold on with a tank till concord gets there or just do as much damage as possible before you die. Why would i waste isk giving it away? Thats just silly . Bad poster, naughty .
tbh, after you have been playing for a while 10m isn't actually a lot of isk and I considered buying one when I started operating in CODE frequented areas. I had a certain amount of affection for them as well when they first came to prominence.
What swayed me is that around that time James 315 sent out a communication that even permit holders were subject to being targeted by CODE if they exhibited bot aspirant behaviour (not responding fast in enough in local etc), and you could still be ganked because no one should think highsec is ever safe, and the correct response to being ganked was to be grateful and say 'Thankyou' to your ganker. I'm paraphrasing because this is going back a few years now. In other words a permit bought you sweet nothing and cost you space on your bio to boot.
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Renard Solo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:39:27 -
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Well put, ive read alot of the same things myself. Dont pay just do everythin possible to make them work for it, run them ragged lol |
Jasmine Deer
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:43:53 -
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Renard Solo wrote:To bastardise voltaire i might dissagree with how you play but i will defend to the death your right to play that way lol
LOL. In C&P that is usually expressed as "If I disagree with how you play I'm going to kill you" |
Renard Solo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:47:18 -
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Only if im not running like the coward i am lol. I always run first as a moving target is harder to hit |
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
349
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Posted - 2015.01.16 22:02:35 -
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Jasmine Deer wrote:Renard Solo wrote:Buy a permit? what a waste of money lol. If they apear just move and if you cant run either try and hold on with a tank till concord gets there or just do as much damage as possible before you die. Why would i waste isk giving it away? Thats just silly . Bad poster, naughty . tbh, after you have been playing for a while 10m isn't actually a lot of isk and I considered buying one when I started operating in CODE frequented areas. I had a certain amount of affection for them as well when they first came to prominence. What swayed me is that around that time James 315 sent out a communication that even permit holders were subject to being targeted by CODE if they exhibited bot aspirant behaviour (not responding fast in enough in local etc), and you could still be ganked because no one should think highsec is ever safe, and the correct response to being ganked was to be grateful and say 'Thankyou' to your ganker. I'm paraphrasing because this is going back a few years now. In other words a permit bought you sweet nothing and cost you space on your bio to boot.
What we had were players buying permits and then going right back to their afk and botting ways. Surely you would expect us to not allow such insincerity. We would be hypocrites indeed if we let someone break the rest of the Code just because they paid a permit fee.
Additionally there were some miners with such little self respect who would put permits in their bios without actually paying for them. I know, I know, the dishonesty and sheer deceitfulness are hard to imagine but remember we are talking about highsec miners so they have strange ideas about what constitutes honor and fair play.
What you are discribing is Agents enforcing the whole New Halaima Code of Conduct. Contrary to bot aspirant propoganda we are not in this for the money. We have a belief and a cause and a Savior. The permit is cheap for a reason. There is no reason NOT to buy one unless one opposes what we stand for. For those people, who we consider supporters of botting and afking, well, they are the enemies of all Eve and they should, and will be, destroyed.
BBB
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
349
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Posted - 2015.01.16 22:32:32 -
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Renard Solo wrote:Only if im not running like the coward i am lol. I always run first as a moving target is harder to hit Don't forget to erratically change direction.
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
469
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Posted - 2015.01.17 00:21:26 -
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Renard Solo wrote:Buy a permit? what a waste of money lol. If they apear just move and if you cant run either try and hold on with a tank till concord gets there or just do as much damage as possible before you die. Why would i waste isk giving it away? Thats just silly . Bad poster, naughty . 10M ISK is a waste of money? That is just a rounding error of a fraction of a percent of income for any active Eve player over a month old. If that tiny amount saves just one of your mining vessels, it pays for itself multiple times over.
It just makes good financial sense, and more importantly shows who you side with. The side that embraces emergent gameplay, enforces risk and has fun with the game, or the AFK bot-aspirants doing nothing but watching thier ISK counter climb ever higher?
Why would someone want to deny such quality content from the game?
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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