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Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
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Posted - 2015.01.25 02:02:40 -
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Did you send that poor german fellow his reimbursment yet Veers?
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
445
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Posted - 2015.01.25 02:43:40 -
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Tyyler DURden wrote:Did you send that poor german fellow his reimbursment yet Veers?
Which one? The folks who get the reimbursement evemails think it's a troll and never ask me for isk...new business model needed. |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
406
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Posted - 2015.01.25 03:21:24 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:In Dota 2 it's perfectly legal to kill people. In Eve it's an illegal criminal act - so the two cases have nothing in common. It's not an illegal act in Eve by any means, wardecs prove that.
Ganking in highsec carries a penalty yes, but for what? The act of killing or the act of not paying for a Concord approved hunting licence?
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
445
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Posted - 2015.01.25 03:31:18 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:In Dota 2 it's perfectly legal to kill people. In Eve it's an illegal criminal act - so the two cases have nothing in common. It's not an illegal act in Eve by any means, wardecs prove that. Ganking in highsec carries a penalty yes, but for what? The act of killing or the act of not paying for a Concord approved hunting licence to do so?
Wars can be avoided by dropping corp....the ganking of npc corp haulers is absolutely a crime and no payment to concord could change that. |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
406
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Posted - 2015.01.25 03:41:40 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:In Dota 2 it's perfectly legal to kill people. In Eve it's an illegal criminal act - so the two cases have nothing in common. It's not an illegal act in Eve by any means, wardecs prove that. Ganking in highsec carries a penalty yes, but for what? The act of killing or the act of not paying for a Concord approved hunting licence to do so? Wars can be avoided by dropping corp Ganking can be avoided just as readily, the means of doing so has been posted repeatedly.
Quote:....the ganking of npc corp haulers is absolutely a crime and no payment to concord could change that. So in your book it's OK for people to counter wardecs by either dropping corp or remaining in an NPC corp, but it's not OK for would be war-deccers to counter that by ganking them instead?
The question remains, which act is punished in highsec; the act of killing, or the act of killing without having paid Concord off?
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
445
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Posted - 2015.01.25 04:45:13 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:In Dota 2 it's perfectly legal to kill people. In Eve it's an illegal criminal act - so the two cases have nothing in common. It's not an illegal act in Eve by any means, wardecs prove that. Ganking in highsec carries a penalty yes, but for what? The act of killing or the act of not paying for a Concord approved hunting licence to do so? Wars can be avoided by dropping corp Ganking can be avoided just as readily, the means of doing so has been posted repeatedly. Quote:....the ganking of npc corp haulers is absolutely a crime and no payment to concord could change that. So in your book it's OK for people to counter wardecs by either dropping corp or remaining in an NPC corp, but it's not OK for would be war-deccers to counter that by ganking them instead? The question remains, which act is punished in highsec; the act of killing, or the act of killing without having paid Concord off?
Ganking could also be avoided by not logging on. Much like real life could be prevented by locking yourself in your house? So what?
The act of WRONGFUL killing is punished...and that is what code specializes in. |
Leto Thule
Team Pizza Disavowed.
2037
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Posted - 2015.01.25 05:13:31 -
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EVE is now being compared to DOTA?
What the ****?
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
406
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Posted - 2015.01.25 10:19:18 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Ganking could also be avoided by not logging on. Much like real life could be prevented by locking yourself in your house? So what? Irrelevant, also melodramatic and a silly thing to say.
Quote:The act of WRONGFUL killing is punished...and that is what code specializes in. According to you, all killing in hisec is "wrongful".
Wardecs and ganking are explicitly allowed game mechanics.
Wardecs can be avoided by dropping corp or remaining in an NPC corp, also explicitly allowed game mechanics.
Ganking is the counter to the evasion of wardecs. Not being a bloody idiot is the counter to ganking.
The only guarantee given by any of the above is that somebody will explode, either at the hands of another player, or at the hands of Concord.
Ganking is the punishment for the "wrongful" evasion of aggression via the wardec mechanics, Concord is the punishment for the "wrongful" non payment of a bribe.
You're not meant to feel safe in New Eden, ganking and wardecs are part of the mechanisms that facilitate this. The complete avoidance of aggression from others is neither intended, or desirable.
TL;DR Working as intended.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
445
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Posted - 2015.01.25 15:47:24 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Ganking could also be avoided by not logging on. Much like real life could be prevented by locking yourself in your house? So what? Irrelevant, also melodramatic and a silly thing to say. Quote:The act of WRONGFUL killing is punished...and that is what code specializes in. According to you, all killing in hisec is "wrongful". Avoiding the question by trying to change the context is still avoiding the question btw Wardecs and ganking are explicitly allowed game mechanics. Wardecs can be avoided by dropping corp or remaining in an NPC corp, also explicitly allowed game mechanics. Ganking is the counter to the evasion of wardecs. Not being a blithering idiot is the counter to ganking. The only guarantee given by any of the above is that somebody may explode, either at the hands of another player, or at the hands of Concord. Ganking is the punishment for the "wrongful" evasion of aggression via the wardec mechanics, Concord is the punishment for the "wrongful" non payment of a bribe. You're not meant to feel safe in New Eden, even in hisec. Ganking and wardecs are part of the mechanisms that facilitate this. The complete avoidance of aggression from others is neither intended, nor desirable. TL;DR Working as intended.
Ganking is explicitly illegal, and leads to punishment at the hands of the police. It is absolutely against the law in New Eden and a crime...this is trivial. |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
64
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Posted - 2015.01.25 16:45:03 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:
Also, why do people keep blaming the victims in other games? Its never the miners fault when he gets ganked. Its never the Freighter pilots fault when he goes afk in Uedama for 2 hours in an untanked ship. And yet, every time i play Dota 2, and go afk in the middle of the lane and end up feeding, people call me an idiot. If I want to walk into the middle of the lane, and go afk, i should be able to. Its the opposite teams fault for attacking me when im clearly defenseless and wont fight back. And yet my teamates yell and scream at me as if its somehow my fault.
I should be able to play the game, the way i want to. The enemy team has no right to kill me. I should send a letter to Valve, so that they can fix this exploit.
In Dota 2 it's perfectly legal to kill people. In Eve it's an illegal criminal act - so the two cases have nothing in common.
Only within in-game lore. Its still a valid game mechanic. Kinda like how its an illegal criminal act to steal from a vendor in Skyrim.
But does it make you immoral to do so? Is it wrong to do so? |
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
409
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Posted - 2015.01.25 17:25:56 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Ganking is explicitly illegal, and leads to punishment at the hands of the police. It is absolutely against the law in New Eden and a crime...this is trivial. What's your point?
Ganking is an allowed playstyle, one that is explicitly allowed to happen by CCP; as such it can only be considered illegal for lore and roleplay purposes. For all other purposes it is a legitimate and permitted playstyle.
Your pathetic moral crusade is pointless btw. Go find another windmill to tilt at, the foundations of this one are far more substantial than you imagine.
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
445
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Posted - 2015.01.25 18:45:07 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Ganking is explicitly illegal, and leads to punishment at the hands of the police. It is absolutely against the law in New Eden and a crime...this is trivial. What's your point? Ganking is an allowed playstyle, one that is explicitly allowed to happen by CCP; as such it can only be considered illegal for lore and roleplay purposes. For all other purposes it is a legitimate and permitted playstyle. Your pathetic moral crusade is pointless btw. Go find another windmill to tilt at, the foundations of this one are far more substantial than you imagine.
That's like saying shoplifting is an "allowed playstyle" in real life. Illegal acts are by definition not "allowed." |
Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
63
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Posted - 2015.01.26 01:56:52 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Ganking is explicitly illegal, and leads to punishment at the hands of the police. It is absolutely against the law in New Eden and a crime...this is trivial. What's your point? Ganking is an allowed playstyle, one that is explicitly allowed to happen by CCP; as such it can only be considered illegal for lore and roleplay purposes. For all other purposes it is a legitimate and permitted playstyle. Your pathetic moral crusade is pointless btw. Go find another windmill to tilt at, the foundations of this one are far more substantial than you imagine. That's like saying shoplifting is an "allowed playstyle" in real life. Illegal acts are by definition not "allowed." Here we go again Veers. You've posted some silly things in this thread but this last one takes the cake. I should of known it would be sooner rather then later that you would post something so completely ridiculous that the only response would be to kill it forward once again. You'll be hearing from another innocent soon, begging for reimbursment, and pleading that you stop the madness that is your forum posting.
I'll try to get an english speaker this time.
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
410
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Posted - 2015.01.26 02:38:46 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Ganking is explicitly illegal, and leads to punishment at the hands of the police. It is absolutely against the law in New Eden and a crime...this is trivial. What's your point? Ganking is an allowed playstyle, one that is explicitly allowed to happen by CCP; as such it can only be considered illegal for lore and roleplay purposes. For all other purposes it is a legitimate and permitted playstyle. Your pathetic moral crusade is pointless btw. Go find another windmill to tilt at, the foundations of this one are far more substantial than you imagine. That's like saying shoplifting is an "allowed playstyle" in real life. Illegal acts are by definition not "allowed." The difference is that shoplifting in real life is explicitly forbidden by the powers that be.
In Eve the powers that be are CCP, and they explicitly allow ganking to happen; by virtue of the fact that they could just code it out of the game, by completely removing the ability to shoot at other players in hisec without the appropriate combat flag being present or other criteria, such as a wardec, being met.
That they haven't done so speaks volumes.
The Evelopedia article on suicide ganking contains the following sentence; which makes any comparison to real life crime totally redundant:
Quote:While suicide ganking remains a controversial tactic to some pilots, it has been firmly established that it plays an important role in the universe of New Eden.
Your little moral crusade is based on false assumptions and out of context arguments, kindly take it elsewhere.
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Renard Solo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2015.01.26 07:15:15 -
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Yay my thread was derailed by veers lol, am i now a proper eve member? Do i win a prize? |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
412
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Posted - 2015.01.26 09:43:30 -
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Renard Solo wrote:Do i win a prize? You did win a prize, but this being Eve somebody stole it before it could be given to you
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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Renard Solo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2015.01.26 09:55:01 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Renard Solo wrote:Do i win a prize? You did win a prize, but this being Eve somebody stole it before it could be given to you
Dammit ima have to submit a ticket now lol |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
445
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Posted - 2015.01.26 20:38:45 -
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Renard Solo wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Renard Solo wrote:Do i win a prize? You did win a prize, but this being Eve somebody stole it before it could be given to you Dammit ima have to submit a ticket now lol
Not sure you are allowed to complain much until you post with a non-NPC corp main instead of random NPC forum alt. |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
421
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Posted - 2015.01.26 22:11:57 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Renard Solo wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Renard Solo wrote:Do i win a prize? You did win a prize, but this being Eve somebody stole it before it could be given to you Dammit ima have to submit a ticket now lol Not sure you are allowed to complain much until you post with a non-NPC corp main instead of random NPC forum alt. Who you post with is nowhere near as important as what you post.
You, for example, are in a non NPC corp, but your posting is so terrible we ridicule you anyway.
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NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
494
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Posted - 2015.01.27 01:20:45 -
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Well put good sir o7
Your point is excellent however your audience is wrong
The people who give ganker alliances their content are not reading forms, have no understanding as to what suicide ganking is and simply play the Game as the basic game
What we walk into is the "meta game" of high sec and like most politics and beliefs this goes right over their head and so I do what any good Samaritan would do and cloak up sneak up on them and pop up next to them and explain why using a hulk ONE JUMP FROM UEDEMA IS A FLIPPING BAD ID...
hrrmm excuse my outburst some points to make
1-language barriers 2-they plex and don't give a crappers 3-they are code and are simply fleshing out their kill boards so they can remain in the upper echelons of their alliance 4-risk vs profit closer to gank systems you go the more ore you will find 5- they believe that the A.G will defend them (They are a long ways from that)
The answer is that both the extremist of the Code. and the white knights are as bad as each other and the project is starting a dialogue between the moderates of the two groups to pull their crazies into line
and then let the cat and mouse game begin...um mabe the cat, the mouse and the cheese game
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
191
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Posted - 2015.01.27 08:05:53 -
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Off-topic, but wanted to post how refreshing C&P threads sometimes are - feels nice not to read GD flame fests XD |
Renard Solo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2015.01.27 08:19:39 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Renard Solo wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Renard Solo wrote:Do i win a prize? You did win a prize, but this being Eve somebody stole it before it could be given to you Dammit ima have to submit a ticket now lol Not sure you are allowed to complain much until you post with a non-NPC corp main instead of random NPC forum alt.
Sorry no alt just quite new and taking my time. I also quite like the folks ive met in the starter corp so why hustle off? Nice troll attempt tho but not the best. Playing eve the way i want, doing what i fancy at the tine lol. |
Renard Solo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2015.01.27 08:26:09 -
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Vapor Ventrillian wrote:Well put good sir o7 Your point is excellent however your audience is wrong The people who give ganker alliances their content are not reading forms, have no understanding as to what suicide ganking is and simply play the Game as the basic game What we walk into is the "meta game" of high sec and like most politics and beliefs this goes right over their head and so I do what any good Samaritan would do and cloak up sneak up on them and pop up next to them and explain why using a hulk ONE JUMP FROM UEDEMA IS A FLIPPING BAD ID... hrrmm excuse my outburst some points to make 1-language barriers 2-they plex and don't give a crappers 3-they are code and are simply fleshing out their kill boards so they can remain in the upper echelons of their alliance 4-risk vs profit closer to gank systems you go the more ore you will find 5- they believe that the A.G will defend them (They are a long ways from that) The answer is that both the extremist of the Code. and the white knights are as bad as each other and the project is starting a dialogue between the moderates of the two groups to pull their crazies into line and then let the cat and mouse game begin...um mabe the cat, the mouse and the cheese game
Thankyou good fellow o7 |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4958
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Posted - 2015.01.27 09:54:43 -
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Renard Solo wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Renard Solo wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Renard Solo wrote:Do i win a prize? You did win a prize, but this being Eve somebody stole it before it could be given to you Dammit ima have to submit a ticket now lol Not sure you are allowed to complain much until you post with a non-NPC corp main instead of random NPC forum alt. Sorry no alt just quite new and taking my time. I also quite like the folks ive met in the starter corp so why hustle off? Nice troll attempt tho but not the best. Playing eve the way i want, doing what i fancy at the tine lol. Obvious code alts are obvious. Stop being terrible.
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Renard Solo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2015.01.27 10:48:51 -
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Nope sorry this is my main, bad troll baaaad lol |
Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics CODE.
112
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Posted - 2015.01.27 11:23:14 -
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Vapor Ventrillian wrote:
1-language barriers 2-they plex and don't give a crappers 3-they are code and are simply fleshing out their kill boards so they can remain in the upper echelons of their alliance 4-risk vs profit closer to gank systems you go the more ore you will find 5- they believe that the A.G will defend them (They are a long ways from that)
1. Don't be rude, talk to them in their language. Also, the new order has a number of interpreters in it's employ (myself included), I'm sure they would be able to assist, for a fee. 2. If you buy plex, why mine? If they don't give a (naughty word. Watch it, remember the code of conduct), why should you? 3. Where did you get such a spiffing tinfoil hat? 4. So they consciously made that choice then, why are you in effect punishing the ones who chose to protect themselves by going elsewhere? 5. When do you expect to be able to stop us? |
hellyeaz
Systems High Guard Circle-Of-Two
2
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Posted - 2015.01.30 08:48:13 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Vapor Ventrillian wrote:
1-language barriers 2-they plex and don't give a crappers 3-they are code and are simply fleshing out their kill boards so they can remain in the upper echelons of their alliance 4-risk vs profit closer to gank systems you go the more ore you will find 5- they believe that the A.G will defend them (They are a long ways from that)
1. Don't be rude, talk to them in their language. Also, the new order has a number of interpreters in it's employ (myself included), I'm sure they would be able to assist, for a fee. 2. If you buy plex, why mine? If they don't give a (naughty word. Watch it, remember the code of conduct), why should you? 3. Where did you get such a spiffing tinfoil hat? 4. So they consciously made that choice then, why are you in effect punishing the ones who chose to protect themselves by going elsewhere? 5. When do you expect to be able to stop us?
You people o.O can learn from Tisi.
Yea, number 3 made me chuckle. I may be the least effective of all enforcers, and i still find more aspirants than i can deal with each day. No padding needed when afkers offer up opprotunities all day. |
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
593
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Posted - 2015.01.30 16:08:09 -
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Tyyler DURden wrote:Sonne7 wrote:when ISD remove a post is there anyway to see who it was from 1. The first rule about forum moderation, we don't talk about forum moderation. 2. The second rule about forum moderation,we DON'T talk about forum moderation.
I don't know what you are talking about. Only that I've never heard it. And you've never said it. And that these posts do not exist.
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Vector Symian
0 Fear
364
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Posted - 2015.02.08 00:30:58 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Vapor Ventrillian wrote:
1-language barriers 2-they plex and don't give a crappers 3-they are code and are simply fleshing out their kill boards so they can remain in the upper echelons of their alliance 4-risk vs profit closer to gank systems you go the more ore you will find 5- they believe that the A.G will defend them (They are a long ways from that)
1. Don't be rude, talk to them in their language. Also, the new order has a number of interpreters in it's employ (myself included), I'm sure they would be able to assist, for a fee. 2. If you buy plex, why mine? If they don't give a (naughty word. Watch it, remember the code of conduct), why should you? 3. Where did you get such a spiffing tinfoil hat? 4. So they consciously made that choice then, why are you in effect punishing the ones who chose to protect themselves by going elsewhere? 5. When do you expect to be able to stop us?
Hello as vapor is on vacation currently ill answer
1- You apply a fee!?...well first mistake, and this was a point made in multiple chat conversation with those who English is not their fist language your message is not reaching them many of them have no idea 2- Mining is a gentle pastime so that one may watch the stars and philosophise on life and space.. oh and build the ships being thrown away in mass daily. 3- hmmm didn't really refute the point and everyone know copper works better... 4- the point is that CCP have protections in place and they are not being honoured and you are demanding (with out correct filtration) from ALL of high sec miners and haulers that you need a permit...oh and how is VENTURE hunting going (oh lawdy) 5- stop code?...hmmm don't know ask the spias in your organisation. stop ganking? never and I would not want too, what I would like is a little more respect between the Gs and the A.Gs but your radicals are deliberately feeding the greifing being inflicted on the otherwise bantering moderates in both the parties |
poster
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.02.08 01:49:41 -
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Here is one problem I have, Code isn't the only one ganking. So unless you intend to muscle other gankers out of the area, which lets be honest we both know you won't, it makes the permit useless and just some random clutter in the bio.
To which leads me to another question what is stopping a person in code from making you buy a permit and just ganking you on an alt . One could say oh but the honor system blah blah blah. That honor is tied to that code agent not their alt.
Face it code if there was a goal to get people into low and null you did a terrible job and created the opposite. |
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