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Brucette
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Posted - 2006.10.02 10:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Varitus
Second, I think its completly counter productive to have the entire industrial line of ships be practicaly naked and defenseless. There is no reason why a decent engeneer couldnt make a hull design for an industrial that sport 3 or better wepons. Keep them slow, but give them the ability to return fire.
I suspect the intent is to avoid creating an UBERWTFPWNAFKMININGBEAST
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Brucette
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Posted - 2006.10.05 06:09:00 -
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From the other thread:
"...even I go back to Empire from time to time to run missions to make money. Zero risk for me and depending on what missions I get maybe 20-30 mil per hour... That's not right at all. Come on guys, live a little! Come to lowsec"
I think this really just illustrates why people who actually live in lowsec think most pirates are lame.
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Brucette
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Posted - 2006.10.08 15:06:00 -
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There have been two main themes running throughout this thread:
1) income in hisec is far too easy.
- Definitely. Large numbers of pirates earn their actual cash that way.
2) pirates just want PVP.
- The only bright light here is that several pirates have already mentioned that this is total garbage. In fact, I have never observed any attempt at turning these efforts into income either. Despite being blobbed at belts on occasion, they haven't even bothered to grab my can.
Frankly, "Pirate PVP" == "Cheap Thrills".
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Brucette
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Posted - 2006.10.08 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Brucette on 08/10/2006 16:16:56
Originally by: Samirol
umm...where has anyone said that they don't want a great fight?
Hmmm - I was miss-attributing a perfectly reasonable comment on page7 by Tommy(?) [the minmatar miner]
Originally by: Samirol
90% of pirates would prefer an awesome 1v1 than a blob. It is just that heavy wcs use has forced us to blob people so that they will not run away and we don't massacre our setups with more than 3 20km scrams
.... and heavy WCS use is required because if you pack damage/mining/travel mods, then you only need one lamer to find you.
I have been attacked periodically, but only once have I ever been in a ship with weapons. It's not even like they try to extort money off you.
To be honest, it looks much more like sexual frustration than any noble desire for combat.
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Brucette
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Posted - 2006.10.08 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
--pirate and carebear alike--
Pirates have, in general, a massive hangup about this.
While there have been a number of people who identify themselves as "pirates" on this thread being quite constructive and genuinely looking to alleviate the boredom of their gatecamping, I'm afraid I don't think the situation is likely to change until the profession becomes less trendy (so the overwhelming number of f-wits that currently infest losec will find something more glamerous to do).
Regarding WCSs, people who pack zillions of stabs are generally also lame pirates. Missionrunners can't gimp their setup that badly.
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Brucette
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Posted - 2006.10.08 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: Brucette on 09/10/2006 00:00:23
Originally by: Samirol
Alright, so you want to make the profession less trendy, meaning nerf it to hell?
Dude - study history. Bandwagons beget bandwagoneers, who are generally lame.
Originally by: Samirol
Most pirates don't use WCS, the minority do.
I invite you to read through one of the many WCS threads in Ships+Fittings. You will note that people are mostly complaining about sniping gankers that can't be pinned down.
Originally by: Samirol
Mission runners aren't usually the ones with the WCS, its the npcers more times than not.
Mission runners are hard to pick out since they aren't on the same plane as the rest of the system during missions.
The intent of missions is not to provide pirates with easy kills. Note they no longer have missions in open space (near gates, near stations) any more. why, I wonder?
My ferox has no stabs, because if I meet any pirates they will be blobbed. If I packed the 4 points of stab necessary to reliably get me out of trouble, I would be slain in the missions...
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Brucette
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Posted - 2006.10.09 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Complacency's Bane
Because mission runners kited non-deadspace missions, causing them to be utterly riskless in every sense of the word, and deadspace missions cant take place at gates/stations.
Any further questions about things you should know if youre participating in this debate?
If you say so. I never saw that. I did see them as a hideous source of losec ganks though.
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Brucette
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Posted - 2006.10.09 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
Even if it's true that the majority of complaints in those threads are about stabbing snipers (Why do I doubt you've actually gone through and and graphed the numbers?  ) I wouldn't call that evidence of anything except that the people who do snipe and who do use a ton of stabs are a PITA.
As I'm sure you know, the connection between the number of complaints about something on these forums and its seriousness is...loose. <cough>.
I think we have an understanding with both of these points :)
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
But you know, this is getting way OT.
A little bit certainly.
At least a part of the problem is the artificial distinction between "pirates" and "carebears". Piracy in EVE is noteably different from RL crime because there is a very strong community support vibe encouraging more people to become pirates. There seems to be very little in the way of territorial tendancies or efforts to extinguish any competition for prey.
What this thread has highlighted is that currently there is insufficient pain to cause either party to change their behavior.
It is worth noting, however, that with the recent tendancy towards Deadspace missions which drop very small amounts of loot, lowsec becomes less and less affordable for the casual missioner.
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Brucette
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Posted - 2006.10.09 06:42:00 -
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I agree that these things are always complicated, with a great deal of relevant historical information etc. That said, the only useful thing I can contribute to this discussion is what I see. I can understand why you might be unhappy if I had been suggesting that all pirates are defective/should be nerfed to hell and back etc - but if you have some issue with what I see occuring ingame, that is not my problem.
Pirating "as it stands" is an irritation I need to waste small amounts of effort to avoid, and occasionally costs me a ship if I mess up.
To be honest, I feel that my uneducated slashes at "piracy" are much like the uneducated slashes at "carebears" (<- a very poor label for most people who can be stuffed trying to live in lowsec) which can be found around the place.
I am quite happy to admit I have met a number of pirates who sound like entirely nice and intelligent people. That said, I believe there are at least two distinct populations among the pirates in EVE.
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Brucette
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Posted - 2006.10.13 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol
I would be okay with this if i could go into high sec without navies going ballistic
I would be OK with that if I could go into low sec without priates going ballistic :)
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