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The Protato
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Posted - 2015.01.20 16:43:48 -
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If anyone's read the new devblog, they can't help but have noticed there's a new and sexually vertical T3 destroyer in the works.
I have just one concern: its defence mode bonuses provide 33.3% resistance bonuses to both armour and shields, whilst also reducing the MWD sig radius penalty by 66.6%. Already being (according to the blog) the fastest of the T3 destroyers, does it not seem a little ridiculous to allow it to dualtank at MWD speeds whilst only being 33.3% "bigger" than normal? You decide. |
Battle BV Master
Executor BV
Sovereign Infinity
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Posted - 2015.01.20 17:15:08 -
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The Protato wrote:dualtank
And thats where I stopped reading, dual tank. Ewwww
Either way its no better than the Amarr one which has the signature reduction before MWD which means with Halo's its sig is 30... (Ya know less then an interceptor?!)
I don't see this one being OP or at least more OP than the Amarr one
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.20 17:27:33 -
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Dual tank bonus is like saying shitfitting dual tank any other ship actually works, lets forget that the 4 slots in the mid/low. So armor tanking would probably be short range autos with a scram/web/MWD + utility in the mid or shield tank would probably be ganking gyros + tracking enhancers for standard fits....unless you are crazy to fit for bait and dual fit a buffer in PVP that would make people lulz. Can't see shield being any useful for bait, sense you have to point something and when using armor its only adding a few hundred shield you have to knock down....Confessor has more natural shield hitpoints but more lows for a bigger natural tank anyway.
Can see a dual tank useful semi utility scout with that probe launcher though. Extra buffer, but nothing it can't scan out when not being shot out it can't run out with the micro MWD bonus before it warps out assuming it was a bubble  . But I don't see the new Svipul as being game breaking, its almost like the Rupture in fitting. |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.01.20 17:28:29 -
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well. dual tank breacher actually works quite well.
i would be curious to see if it would be possible slapping 1 or 2 MASB and a SAAR on this lol, 4 mids 4 lows is an excellent layout |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2015.01.20 17:39:50 -
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I don't think the dual armor and shield bonuses are intended to be used at the same time, but rather to play to Minmatar ships' natural flexibility in tanking.
I do predict some comedy dual-tank losses soon after release though....
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Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 17:56:25 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:I don't think the dual armor and shield bonuses are intended to be used at the same time, but rather to play to Minmatar ships' natural flexibility in tanking.
I do predict some comedy dual-tank losses soon after release though....
Will you stop it with your reason and common sense?
The ship gives a bonus to both armor and shield tank. That means we HAVE to use both. At least. Hull rigs for triple tank!
With only 4 slots for an armor tank or 2 slots for a shield tank it really isn't tanky anyway. So in the end all you get is a glorified arty thrasher with too many midslots.
pew pew
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 18:09:04 -
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Dual tank could work much like the breacher does currently. Will have to see the fitting first |
Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.20 18:26:07 -
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Zen Guerrilla wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:I don't think the dual armor and shield bonuses are intended to be used at the same time, but rather to play to Minmatar ships' natural flexibility in tanking.
I do predict some comedy dual-tank losses soon after release though.... Will you stop it with your reason and common sense? The ship gives a bonus to both armor and shield tank. That means we HAVE to use both. At least. Hull rigs for triple tank! With only 4 slots for an armor tank or 2 slots for a shield tank it really isn't tanky anyway. So in the end all you get is a glorified arty thrasher with too many midslots.
You are underestimating matar t2 resists and speed/sig tanking. Plug the kinetic hole and youre golden for shield tanking. Vagabonds manage fine with 2 mid tank. This will prob be similar with a much smaller sig. As long as its got grid for arty, it should be pretty potent. Especially with buffed arty.
I would like to see falloff plus optimal bonus, so acs are viable to use in sniper mode as well.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2015.01.20 18:55:32 -
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Stitch Kaneland wrote:You are underestimating matar t2 resists and speed/sig tanking. Plug the kinetic hole and youre golden for shield tanking. Vagabonds manage fine with 2 mid tank. This will prob be similar with a much smaller sig. As long as its got grid for arty, it should be pretty potent. Especially with buffed arty.
This. Same applies to T2 Amarr Armor tanks: plug the Thermal hole and you have a solid tank with very few slots.
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Soldarius
Kosher Nostra
The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:41:00 -
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If you dual-tank this, you are a complete noob.
This thing has very nice shield resists, and a huge explosive armor resist hole.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:47:08 -
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Soldarius wrote:If you dual-tank this, you are a complete noob.
This thing has very nice shield resists, and a huge explosive armor resist hole.
I don't think you really understand how dual tanking works. |
Zauri Hanaya
Abrigolandia
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Posted - 2015.01.20 22:51:32 -
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This ship has:
Dps+Range+Shield bonus+Armor bonus+Reduction microwarp penalty IN THE SAME MODE.
THIS IS OP!
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Lloyd Roses
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:02:14 -
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Pith C-type med SBs currently go for ~40mil. Add a point, a mwd and a cap booster, fit arties and an exp. probe launcher, and you really got something :D
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
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Posted - 2015.01.21 00:06:23 -
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Dual tanking is not a bad choice for ships running an ancillary shield booster. There are some things in EVE that hold true 9 out of 10 times but hold exceptions that most players ignore. The ancil repairer works to keep you alive long enough for your ancil booster to reload. This works with other ships besides the Breacher too.
Another example would be fitting tank and rep at the same time. Generally a big no-no, but in some situations the EHP gained from an ancil will outweigh the EHP gains you'd receive from a resist module instead.
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.21 00:43:55 -
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When did ccp hire We Form Voltron?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.21 02:44:43 -
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Zen Guerrilla wrote: too many midslots.
you can never have too many mid slots
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Walden 2.0
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Posted - 2015.01.21 04:31:27 -
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WTB Slave I
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.21 04:40:01 -
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Matari call it Vigil: http://www.eveinfo.net/complexes/vigil_~1.jpg
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Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.21 08:32:02 -
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Exciting, Can't wait to fly around with this thing in defense mode blapping people!
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Tribal Core
Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2015.01.21 09:42:43 -
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I always wondered, how Venture with 420 m3 cargohold would look like... Now I see and I actually do not like it :( |
The Protato
Vitriolic Animosity
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Posted - 2015.01.21 15:33:04 -
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Quite aside from the ancillary tanks issue, people are ignoring the fact that good resists can provide a decent buffer without having to actually put much effort in. That meaning, with resist holes that can be plugged with one module, the ship as flown like a kiter does not actually need to run a dedicated tank - it's small and fast, making it damn near impossible to hit, and when it is hit it can shrug those hits off. Dualtanks sound awful but when you've got two layers of resist buffer on a ship doing ludicrous m/s the advantages add up. |
Chessur
Mining Industry Exile Foundation
The Camel Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.21 16:13:15 -
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Personally I am dissapointed in the new minny T3 for a number of reasons:
1. Optimal range bonus only, makes this ship an arty boat, or a poor AC choice. Its basically a jaguar.
2. The MWD bonus is located in the defensive mode- which is a very poor choice. As outisde of it, running an MWD its going to be very easy for other ships out of its class (Cruisers) To absolutely wreck it.
3. Sniper mode has no increased range bonus, and again is basically only oging to be usefull for arty.
4. Grid problems. A full rack of 280's with a 1mn MWD is 82.5 grid. Sivpul has 75 base lol.
Overall the minny T3 is not going to be sharing the good fortune the Confessor has. Confessor is only dominant currently thanks to its 10MN AB. With out it, and the confessor is really nothing special. All things considered the confessor with 10MN AB and beam lasers makes a much better destroyer platform than the minny T3. |
Lloyd Roses
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Posted - 2015.01.21 16:18:58 -
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From how those boni are allocated in that dev blog, that's very likely a typo. Or so I hope.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
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Posted - 2015.01.21 16:35:11 -
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So where is the Wave Motion Gun designed just for this boat?
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.21 16:51:24 -
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No |
The Protato
Vitriolic Animosity
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Posted - 2015.01.21 21:41:15 -
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Come on man, we all know it's "boners", you're letting the side down here. |
Jack Derata
North American Tax Shelter Commission
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Posted - 2015.01.21 21:57:22 -
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I think dualtanking will be for defense-heavy engagements, shield for speed, and MWD sig radius for kiting in sniper mode. The point I is that having either/or/both/neither options is that the ship is extremely unpredictable. A shape-shifter in a true sense, just like the T3 cruisers, except somewhat simplified in the way of bonuses and fitting. |
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