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Fitz VonHeise	Posted - 2006.09.23 22:23:00 - [1] I am mining and filling up a can I jettesoned. And while there a guy came up and somehow turned my can into HIS can and if I try to take any ore out of it it says I'M stealing from him and his corp can attack me. How did he do this and how can I get my ore back?
Nalena Arlath	Posted - 2006.09.23 22:31:00 - [2] Most likely he either took ore from you and jettisoned out in his own can, then moved the rest of your ore out of your can and into his, making yours go pop. If he did that, then you are able to attack him, without interference from Concord for 15 mins (starting from when I took the first bit of ore from your can) Either you can fight and take ore back, or you can try to take ore back from his can (making him able to attack you for 15 mins), or you can hire a hauler which empties your can as it fills up. Optionally, find yourself a less busy system than you were in when ore got snagged.
Nisse Owned Nise's Corp	Posted - 2006.09.23 22:33:00 - [3] Edited by: Nisse Owned on 23/09/2006 22:33:57 You seem to have met a regular ore theif, the only thing you can do really is shoot back within 5 minutes after him moving the ore into hes can or if your in a mining ship, just stay there and hope he gets bored and leave then take it back again and dock fast so he dont get a chance to shoot you Oh and btw, he just jettison a can with one ammo in it then move your ore over to it Edit: Oops posted at the same time as the above poster lol
Fitz VonHeise	Posted - 2006.09.23 22:36:00 - [4] Yep when he took it my miner saw him blinking red. (Course I can't attack him as a miner) But I brought in my Raven and when I locked on I got message that I would be breaking Concord rules and they would attack me. (I ganged to my miner after the incedent) So I guess I could take the ore back and see what Happens.
Nisse Owned Nise's Corp	Posted - 2006.09.23 22:42:00 - [5] Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Yep when he took it my miner saw him blinking red. (Course I can't attack him as a miner) But I brought in my Raven and when I locked on I got message that I would be breaking Concord rules and they would attack me. (I ganged to my miner after the incedent) So I guess I could take the ore back and see what Happens. Yep you need to be ganged when the stealing occurs to get killrights, if you take it back and he shoots you, i think your gangmembers can shoot him aswell if they are in the same belt This sort of stealing is usual though and no real way to protect against it except having a fighter guarding you ganged
Resolve	Posted - 2006.09.23 22:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Yep when he took it my miner saw him blinking red. (Course I can't attack him as a miner) But I brought in my Raven and when I locked on I got message that I would be breaking Concord rules and they would attack me. (I ganged to my miner after the incedent) So I guess I could take the ore back and see what Happens. It's an unfortunately common practice. If they were an ore thief, they would have took the ore and ran. They're trying to get you to attack them. They steal ore from you and drop their own can. If you take the ore back from their can, then they can safely attack you without Concord response. Since you're mining and not fitted for PvP (which they most likely are) they'll cream you just to get a kill. They're just trying to bait you into shooting them or stealing from their can to get an easy kill.
Vehmina Aundae	Posted - 2006.09.23 23:26:00 - [7] I do that all the time when I'm looking for a mouse to play with in a belt.. More or less just wanna kill somethin and not deal with 0.0/lowsec and generally fairness. Its really fun. I fly up, steal their ore, jetcan it, sit my ship where their can was than wait to see if they noticed (I have observed that many miners are totally spaced out like their smoking reefer while shootin lasers at rocks.. Which makes sense since mining sucks.). Usually in come the drones, than I pop them and steal their drones and ofc any good named mods (No ore since highsec ores suck).
Nigh7F0x	Posted - 2006.09.23 23:27:00 - [8] Being in the same gang won't help you. You must be in the same player corp (and not a newbie corp). If he steals from a gang member and you attack him then you will be concorded.
Soporo	Posted - 2006.09.24 00:41:00 - [9] 2 Week NoOb here,but I have learned this much: Buy a Giant Secure Cargo Container(or two),put it in your hauler,fly out to the field and fly around till it lets you drop it in a location,then Anchor it (you will need Anchoring 1). Mine away and fill the Can,when full,go back and get your hauler,extract the ore and deposit it in Station. Rinse repeat. Yes this is slower,but its more secure.I havent been robbed yet,or tricked into attacking some bored Tool. I pretty much feel that jet canning is begging to be ripped off,particularly if you solo,so I dont do it. In response to what someone said about High Sec ores sucking,they might,if you can find them.Most high sec I have been in are stripped hours after spawn,making it damned hard for a solo noob to even get some crumbs.
Nigh7F0x	Posted - 2006.09.24 01:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Soporo 2 Week NoOb here,but I have learned this much: Buy a Giant Secure Cargo Container(or two),put it in your hauler,fly out to the field and fly around till it lets you drop it in a location,then Anchor it (you will need Anchoring 1). Mine away and fill the Can,when full,go back and get your hauler,extract the ore and deposit it in Station. Rinse repeat. While this works in systems 0.0-0.7, in 0.8+ you can't anchor the can in place. Therefore anyone with a ship that can fit your container in their cargo hold will be able to scoop it up. When this happens they don't get flagged as a thief and you can't attack them freely. So there is still risk, but many people don't look to see if it is a new can or an old one left from days that you could anchor in 0.8+ systems. Quote: In response to what someone said about High Sec ores sucking,they might,if you can find them.Most high sec I have been in are stripped hours after spawn,making it damned hard for a solo noob to even get some crumbs. you just need to find a quiet system that there aren't more than 5 people in local and isn't a pass through. If you want to use a secure can then you can usually find a good 0.5 system nearby and just have to deal with rats showing up.

Sandeep Trojan industries	Posted - 2006.09.24 01:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Nisse Owned Yep you need to be ganged when the stealing occurs to get killrights, if you take it back and he shoots you, i think your gangmembers can shoot him aswell if they are in the same belt This sort of stealing is usual though and no real way to protect against it except having a fighter guarding you ganged 15 minutes right to shoot does not extend to gang members. Get into the same pc corp for this kind of protection. Attack aggression is one-on-one. Someone will not become flashing red to you, if your gang/corp member is legally attacked.
Soporo	Posted - 2006.09.24 02:01:00 - [12] Quote: you just need to find a quiet system that there aren't more than 5 people in local and isn't a pass through. If you want to use a secure can then you can usually find a good 0.5 system nearby and just have to deal with rats showing up. Man maybe I am just super unlucky,but I try to mine in .05-.07,and everything is always mined out. I guess I will have to work on my maps skills,and do as you suggested and spend some time shuttling around before I move my (2) ships. I mean I went from Sobaseki to Jel stopping every couple systems and it was damned scanty. They ought to make the damn Ore spawns random,so Macros will have a harder time.
Nigh7F0x	Posted - 2006.09.24 03:35:00 - [13] you would be surprised at how many times it is players that are eating up rare ores. yes macroers do exist but they are more concerned about quantity than quality so they usually go for veld or scordite
Borasao	Posted - 2006.09.24 04:28:00 - [14] I've heard that there are people who fly up in a shuttle and an industrial (or more), flipping the can in a shuttle and running (before you can lock them) and then looting their can in their industrial. All you can do is watch it happen.
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders	Posted - 2006.09.24 08:20:00 - [15] if you want to get them its really simple. Have your raven jetcan 1 CM next to your miner.. fill it up with ore... when he steals from the can its from your Ravens can and not the minners can, then just waste him. No gangs needed just some simple common sense.
Night Vigil	Posted - 2006.09.26 06:29:00 - [16] The problem I am seeing here is all the conflicting advice on when a kill can or cannot be made. Is there anywhere on this site where the rules to jet can stealing is clearly explained? The other night in Paye we had something similar, a low life steals the contents of a gang member while I was ganged with him, but I didn't see any color changes on my display... Which one is activated when a theif steals from a can? I would really like to read the offical version of this in the rule books, but documentation doesn't seem so good for all the patches in eve... One last thing... Is there a petition anywhere on this forum for increasing the timeout of can stealing? 15 minutes is pathetic. It can take nearly 2 - 3 minutes to get back to the station and unload. Assuming the scumbag undocks in the remaining time (in my experince they have large yellow streaks and will not) then you only have 10 minutes or so to find them... Clearly not long enough. Let the punishment fit the crime. Ore stealing should be an hours agression at the very least 30 minutes. 15 minutes is no deterant at all and allows those players who like to anoy free access to a very specific gried tactic.
hendo001 Caldari Quantum Tech Mining	Posted - 2006.09.26 06:48:00 - [17] Ok to make it easy for u to understand. You are in corp A, player b steals from a corp A can, you and your corp can kill player b. This only goes for player corps. You are ganged with a friend A who is in an npc corp (you are in corp A). Player B comes back and steals from friend A. only friend A can shoot player B. they removed the gang agression from the game. in a nutshell, if you are in an npc corp and some1 steals from you and you are ganged with other ppl only YOU may shoot the person stealing. If you are in a player corp and some1 steals from your can, your whole corp can nail the theif. Hope this helps regards Hendo001 Visit the QTM forums Linkage
Night Vigil	Posted - 2006.09.26 06:54:00 - [18] Edited by: Night Vigil on 26/09/2006 06:55:15 Yes, thanks, but I was in a Player corp, but the overview did not change, there were no color flashes to indicate that the theif who stole could be killed. What's up there then? And why is there no offical documentation on this? Are CCP actaully in buisness or just playing at it?
Night Vigil	Posted - 2006.09.26 06:56:00 - [19] And also, what about the timer... Seems low to me - there must be a petition thread somewhere?
Spanker	Posted - 2006.09.26 07:27:00 - [20] This is so broken it's not even funny. Why would you get flagged just for taking your stuff back? In that case why did the ore thief get flagged for taking your ore in the first place, since it's clearly considered to be in his ownership after he's taken it? If anything this is worse than before. Not only can people still not do anything about ore thieves (no, they can't), they now also get ganked in an exploitive manner. At least before they didn't run the risk of loosing their ships in the process. Serves them right for complaining about jetcans the past 3 years though lawl - Shpank

hendo001 Caldari Quantum Tech Mining	Posted - 2006.09.26 07:32:00 - [21] sometimes can flagging is broken and that people dont get flagged if you think its broken then bug report it Visit the QTM forums Linkage
Night Vigil	Posted - 2006.09.26 07:46:00 - [22] What should the flag be - about the forth time I have asked this.. in other words - in my overview setting, which one would be activated? Horrible standing? What? I do love these "post a petition" replies... Its about as helpful as a chocolate teapot... I have posted a petition saying that there seems to be no offical documentation on this "feature" which in itself makes figuring out if it is broke a hard thing. I cannot rely on what is said on the forum because without documentation, there is no way of checking if it is correct.
Flitz Farseeker Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.26 08:01:00 - [23] Mining to a jet can is a risk. With all the macrominers around, you might get targetted by macro hunters in addition to the more common ore thief. Best option is to find a nice system where you can anchor a secure can. Second option is to have a hauler or bodyguard nearby to scoop the can or mete out fiery death to anyone who scoops your can. Third option is to hop back to nearest station and unload when your hold is full - slow but secure. If you AFK mine, you will lose your ore. If you macro mine, you will lose your ship.
Night Vigil	Posted - 2006.09.26 08:23:00 - [24] Just to be clear - we were always on station and no one is AFK during a mining op.
Night Vigil	Posted - 2006.09.26 08:23:00 - [25] Yeah it is a risk, but it would be nice if there was some offical documentation so that I could figure out what that risk is and how best to combat it. The problem occured in Paye when a mining barge in my corp was jet canning and the Badger was collecting, however, the barge was outputting more than the badger could take in a single trip (yes we use expanders and have cans in the hold) and the result was some of the ore was stolen. We have other methods of mining too, but it would be nice if it was possible to fully understand how this can stealing worked.
Passcal Darksaber Technologies	Posted - 2006.09.26 08:44:00 - [26] I had a bad experience with this once. I was mining in a Moa into a can, yes i know the Moa isn't the best mining ship but i was fitted to take out an ore thief in a frig if i needed to. Said ore thief comes along and i think he's flying a Slasher.....turns out it was a ceptor (Claw maybe?) and he wipes out my Moa. This is where it gets interesting, as he's smack talking in local i dock at a station and refit a new ship. I act the noob and tell him my Caracal will whoop him soo bad, in reply he starts with the "a cruiser cant take out a ceptor" smack talk. What he doesn't know is my Caracal is fitted with NOS, Target Painter, Webbers and a nasty sting in its tail......ROCKETS a min later and he's nothing but dust and echos, oh and a can of nice T2 stuff. Anti Inty Cruiser FTW ---
Raquel Smith Caldari Ferengi Commerce Authority	Posted - 2006.09.26 08:46:00 - [27] Thief-PKing is alive and well in Eve! Horray for giving the UO thief-PKs a place to go.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.09.26 08:53:00 - [28] Originally by: Night Vigil Yeah it is a risk, but it would be nice if there was some offical documentation so that I could figure out what that risk is and how best to combat it. The problem occured in Paye when a mining barge in my corp was jet canning and the Badger was collecting, however, the barge was outputting more than the badger could take in a single trip (yes we use expanders and have cans in the hold) and the result was some of the ore was stolen. We have other methods of mining too, but it would be nice if it was possible to fully understand how this can stealing worked. Please read what others have posted and be content. If you are not in the same player corp as the person who got ganked the theif will NOT be flagged to you. I understand that YOU are in a player corp, but if your gangmate is not in the SAME player corp then you can just forget that he's there. To clear this up: Gangs abilities: Split bounties, Gang modules, leadership bonuses, "gang warp", can be attacked by war targets BUT cannot attack, really thats about it. In otherwords, ganging with someone is really only useful so that you can warp to their location or warp with them. My advice: Can theft and the aggression timer are in the game by design, you are not experiencing a bug and you need not waste your time (and other's time who have REAL petitions) petitioning something that is in the game for a reason. Bring up you map and study it. Look for low traffic, .5 systems in Domain, Essence, etc. Its really not that hard. Step 3 MOVE. ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.09.26 08:55:00 - [29] Originally by: Passcal I had a bad experience with this once. I was mining in a Moa into a can, yes i know the Moa isn't the best mining ship but i was fitted to take out an ore thief in a frig if i needed to. Said ore thief comes along and i think he's flying a Slasher.....turns out it was a ceptor (Claw maybe?) and he wipes out my Moa. This is where it gets interesting, as he's smack talking in local i dock at a station and refit a new ship. I act the noob and tell him my Caracal will whoop him soo bad, in reply he starts with the "a cruiser cant take out a ceptor" smack talk. What he doesn't know is my Caracal is fitted with NOS, Target Painter, Webbers and a nasty sting in its tail......ROCKETS a min later and he's nothing but dust and echos, oh and a can of nice T2 stuff. Anti Inty Cruiser FTW Now thats awesome. Pride Killer FTW. ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
hendo001 Caldari Quantum Tech Mining	Posted - 2006.09.26 09:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Night Vigil What should the flag be - about the forth time I have asked this.. in other words - in my overview setting, which one would be activated? Horrible standing? What? I do love these "post a petition" replies... Its about as helpful as a chocolate teapot... I have posted a petition saying that there seems to be no offical documentation on this "feature" which in itself makes figuring out if it is broke a hard thing. I cannot rely on what is said on the forum because without documentation, there is no way of checking if it is correct. If some1 steals from ur can or a member of ur corp's can then they should flash red automatically if it dont its broke and needs bug reporting. Hope that sorts that out Visit the QTM forums Linkage



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