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Lieutenant Banzai
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Posted - 2006.09.25 06:53:00 -
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Right now, I have the opportunity to train for either one. Which one should I train for? Let's not factor in money here, as I know vagabonds are very, very expensive, but I just want to know which is more effective in pvp.
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.25 06:54:00 -
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Lol, sorry but thats quite a silly question:
Vagabond OFC!
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kill0rbunny
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.25 07:23:00 -
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The big disadvantage of Amarr Ships is that most of the damage they deal is EM.
Therefore i would always prefer a Vagabond against a zealot. Also it looks pretty cool. Hugh. |
Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.25 07:31:00 -
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Well k lets say, zealot = pve, vaga = pvp.. though I heard there are pretty neat pve setups for the vaga too.
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TuRtLe HeAd
The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2006.09.25 07:35:00 -
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Zealot , Any DAy,
I got both, The Zealot I find so much better when it comes to PvP,
Vagabond is literally hit and run, Solo only, Its a pointless ship in Group combat as its always primary because it costs 200 mill to replace.
Zealot, Deals Really Nice damage. And has an amazing, unprecidented 7 low slots. Forget the "Only deals EM" Arguments, Thats Pish. yes its rubbish against a minnie hac, but guess what, its got 80% resists to Minnie ammo.
Zealot for NPCing or Group PvP. Vagabond For Solo PvP. |
Laythun
Undercover Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.25 08:58:00 -
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solo zealot with mwd.
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Dragy
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Posted - 2006.09.25 09:32:00 -
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This would be interesting cause zealot is tanked vs minmatar and vaga is tanked vs amarr. it depends on the setups.
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Agent2 Holtze
Amarr Barracudas.
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Posted - 2006.09.25 10:21:00 -
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Go Zealot.
Posting and you!
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Dixon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.25 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dixon on 25/09/2006 10:33:59
Originally by: Lieutenant Banzai Right now, I have the opportunity to train for either one. Which one should I train for? Let's not factor in money here, as I know vagabonds are very, very expensive, but I just want to know which is more effective in pvp.
At killing things and looking cool = Zealot At being an expensive, oversized ***** = Vagabond
Both great ships though.
EDIT: hey! what's wrong with saying *****? Who finds *****s offensive? - - - - - - I have no strong feelings one way or the other... |
Frools
No Quarter. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.25 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dragy This would be interesting cause zealot is tanked vs minmatar and vaga is tanked vs amarr. it depends on the setups.
1v1 assuming no warp outs/stabs etc (ie, a sisi duel ) a zealot should beat a vaga every time tbh vaga has very little tank whereas the zealot has a fantastic tank
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Anderson
Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.25 15:13:00 -
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Vaga :) Solo belts, and hit&run
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.25 15:14:00 -
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Anyone saying Zealot is clearly a fool (sorry Layth but you are )
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.25 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Frools
Originally by: Dragy This would be interesting cause zealot is tanked vs minmatar and vaga is tanked vs amarr. it depends on the setups.
1v1 assuming no warp outs/stabs etc (ie, a sisi duel ) a zealot should beat a vaga every time tbh vaga has very little tank whereas the zealot has a fantastic tank
This is also wrong, you can tank a Vaga very well and also maneuver yourself to make it very hard for the Zealot pilot to hurt you effectively.
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.09.25 15:18:00 -
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Vaga is very specialized. Zealot pwns at many tasks. Go Zealot. Yes, I do fly them both.
CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too. |
Kinsy
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.25 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Kinsy on 25/09/2006 15:26:37 Both are about as good as each other.
Zealot with MWD is better for gangs, AB for solo.
And you can manoveur Zealot too Ikvar :)
Zealot does more damage but Vaga is better at running away/around and getting hit less, but then Zealot tanks better, but it does crap EM damage...brain hurts can't decide
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webkert
Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.25 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kinsy Edited by: Kinsy on 25/09/2006 15:26:37 Both are about as good as each other.
Zealot with MWD is better for gangs, AB for solo.
And you can manoveur Zealot too Ikvar :)
Zealot does more damage but Vaga is better at running away/around and getting hit less, but then Zealot tanks better, but it does crap EM damage...brain hurts can't decide
about the damage output.
zealot has 4 turrets, with the built in damage bonus and dam/rof bonus on the ship it equals 4x1,33x1,25x1,25= 8,31 turrets without any bonus.
vagabond has 5 turrets with both rof and damage bonus, 5x1,33x1,25= 8,31 turrets.
on top of that vagabond has a launcher slot and a dronebay, 5 t2 hobgoblins do 100 dps with maxed out skills.
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ArtemisEntreri
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.09.25 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: ArtemisEntreri on 25/09/2006 16:42:46
Originally by: webkert
Originally by: Kinsy Edited by: Kinsy on 25/09/2006 15:26:37 Both are about as good as each other.
Zealot with MWD is better for gangs, AB for solo.
And you can manoveur Zealot too Ikvar :)
Zealot does more damage but Vaga is better at running away/around and getting hit less, but then Zealot tanks better, but it does crap EM damage...brain hurts can't decide
about the damage output.
zealot has 4 turrets, with the built in damage bonus and dam/rof bonus on the ship it equals 4x1,33x1,25x1,25= 8,31 turrets without any bonus.
vagabond has 5 turrets with both rof and damage bonus, 5x1,33x1,25= 8,31 turrets.
on top of that vagabond has a launcher slot and a dronebay, 5 t2 hobgoblins do 100 dps with maxed out skills.
How do you get the second 1,25 damage bonus on the zealot!?
Edit: right built in damage bonus isn't that big I'M NOT CRAZY!! WRAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.25 16:48:00 -
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He is prolly referring to the "build in damage bonus" of lasers.
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TheEndofTheWorld
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Posted - 2006.09.25 17:42:00 -
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Zealot is, uhm, cool looking... That is about it.
Armageddon >> Zealot
Vaga is special, it actually has a different role...
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr The Drekla Consortium New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.09.25 18:01:00 -
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How is the zealot with a sniper setup? ---
Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE.
Put in space whales!
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Soros
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.25 18:08:00 -
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Its a stupid question tbh.
People who have answered as follows are correct.
Vaga = solo work, fun to zip around kill frigs etc
Zealot = gangs, and also good for solo alot more damage than vaga, a webbed vaga would go down to a zealot in no time. Id say generally for gank fleets zealot .. but vaga if you hav balls and are willing to engage against the odds.
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Electric Cucumber
Amarr Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.25 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Soros but vaga if you hav balls and are willing to engage against the odds.
and...stabs
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Mahavy Seth
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.26 14:29:00 -
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I just lost the point how a vaga can kill solo a Zealot or how is possible than a zealot cannot do the same thing a vaga do...
Also I do not understand why a vaga is 200millions...
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TheEndofTheWorld
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Posted - 2006.09.26 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: TheEndofTheWorld on 26/09/2006 14:54:40 Zealot is BAAAD. Want to know the reason? -> Armageddon
Vaga is different, it can actually do something that a BS can't. Same for Eagle(antifrig), Ishtar(small Domi)
TBH none of the other HACs are practical, they are cool to fly, sure, but are outperformed by BSes.
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DANGEROUS
Black Lance Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:26:00 -
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i am a HUGE fan of the vaga as many of my enemies know. HOWEVER - you just cannot compare the two. I have a friend (az) who has pwned more inties, cruisers and some hacs and bs in his zealot, including my vaga. BUT he is stuck camping 0.0 access gates as he cannot retain any survivability and roam solo. I on the other hand can go 200 jumps solo (or until my ammo runs out) OR DIE trying. the largest fight i have had was deep south (respect) where i went (after much chasing etc) up against about 25 v 1 - - i got about 10 of them - and then in arrogance warped into their bubble and got pwned by them replacing their scrams withwebs!!!! - - -
the point being they are BOTH SUPERB ships, do u wanna be a runner and take in system risks - or sit on a gate - getting bored and waiting to be jumped but PWNING ships while ur there??
personally - I am a roamer!!!
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Mahavy Seth
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:56:00 -
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Still doesn't understand why a zealot cannot go throught 200 gates and go solo, and why vagabond can...
About the geddon thins, geddon is better cause it cost 1/3. Without price comparison, Zealot is slighty better in my opinion.
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OhMyGodess
Caldari Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lieutenant Banzai Right now, I have the opportunity to train for either one. Which one should I train for? Let's not factor in money here, as I know vagabonds are very, very expensive, but I just want to know which is more effective in pvp.
hi. zealot sucks, something close to t1 cruiser with big arse, go vaga
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OhMyGodess
Caldari Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld
Vaga is different, it can actually do something that a BS can't. Same for Eagle(antifrig), Ishtar(small Domi)
TBH none of the other HACs are practical, they are cool to fly, sure, but are outperformed by BSes.
this is totaly true, except domi is better cause of nosfs and tank
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kinsy Edited by: Kinsy on 25/09/2006 15:26:37 Both are about as good as each other.
Zealot with MWD is better for gangs, AB for solo.
And you can manoveur Zealot too Ikvar :)
Zealot does more damage but Vaga is better at running away/around and getting hit less, but then Zealot tanks better, but it does crap EM damage...brain hurts can't decide
I doubt zealot has more damage. I can get 650 raw with barrage. HAC5 ofc ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
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MOS DEF
Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mahavy Seth Still doesn't understand why a zealot cannot go throught 200 gates and go solo, and why vagabond can...
About the geddon thins, geddon is better cause it cost 1/3. Without price comparison, Zealot is slighty better in my opinion.
Because a vaga can fit 2 nanofibers without having a gimped setup and warps like a frig? Because a vaga can jump right into a 30 man bubbl camp and go back to the gate without dying?
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