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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.01.25 07:43:05 -
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Either my EVE-Search Fu is not strong, this hasn't been raised yet or the search engine is not particularly good.Quote:The team is looking into removing buying PLEX directly and replacing it with buying AUR which can then be redeemed for a PLEX from the New Eden Store, reducing the current ISK/PLEX/AUR to simply ISK/AUR I would rather not run the launcher.
Do you think that having AUR floating around in your account would tempt you into dressing up your barbie doll?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.25 08:44:00 -
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Another one not wanting to use the launcher here. But if it comes to that I will switch over and use my own launcher in order for smooth start of my accounts and still get the NEX working.
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DaReaper
Net 7
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Posted - 2015.01.25 09:07:01 -
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what does the launcher have anything to do with anything?
I'm confused.
you can access the NES without the launcher AFAIK.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.25 09:26:31 -
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DaReaper wrote:what does the launcher have anything to do with anything?
I'm confused.
you can access the NES without the launcher AFAIK.
This.
Where does the launcher come into play here?
It makes NO sense at all to include the launcher into something that has nothing to do with the launcher.
So, I guess.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.01.25 09:34:35 -
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J'Poll wrote:Where does the launcher come into play here? Run the game without the launcher, mess about with captain's quarters, NES and such then come back here and tell me how that went.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.25 09:36:54 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:J'Poll wrote:Where does the launcher come into play here? Run the game without the launcher, mess about with captain's quarters, NES and such then come back here and tell me how that went.
Works great for me...for the last 1.5 years...actually, I never used the launcher in the first place, and have yet to find anything wrong with CQ and/or NES shop
So, again, where does launcher comes into play, when it obviously isn't the launcher?
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
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Posted - 2015.01.25 10:13:36 -
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J'Poll wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:J'Poll wrote:Where does the launcher come into play here? Run the game without the launcher, mess about with captain's quarters, NES and such then come back here and tell me how that went. Works great for me...for the last 1.5 years...actually, I never used the launcher in the first place, and have yet to find anything wrong with CQ and/or NES shop So, again, where does launcher comes into play, when it obviously isn't the launcher? I'm in Jen's boat: I'd love to know how you're using the NEX store without the launcher.
The launcher fetches certain Internet-Somethings (<- highly technical term here) from Somewhere on the Internet (tm) to enable the store. Which certain Somethings don't get fetched if you start via exefile.exe.
There was a dev post about that some time ago. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.01.25 10:13:50 -
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J'Poll wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:J'Poll wrote:Where does the launcher come into play here? Run the game without the launcher, mess about with captain's quarters, NES and such then come back here and tell me how that went. Works great for me...for the last 1.5 years...actually, I never used the launcher in the first place, and have yet to find anything wrong with CQ and/or NES shop So, again, where does launcher comes into play, when it obviously isn't the launcher? Funny, mine says I need to run the launcher to access NES.
Either way, back on track:
Do you think that having AUR floating around in your account would tempt you into dressing up your barbie doll?
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.25 11:21:16 -
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I can just click the NES store icon in the menu, and it will open. Then again, it's been ages since I used it...cause I don't give a **** about vanity stuff.
Which answers the question, no it won't.
EVE is about spaceships and the amount of time I will actually see my character...near none, cause hangar view is so much better (yeah, ship spinning).
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iP0D
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.25 11:21:47 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Do you think that having AUR floating around in your account would tempt you into dressing up your barbie doll?
Nope. Bit of a case of "wrong insertion point" for what otherwise may or may not remain a harmless approach.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.01.25 12:46:08 -
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Quote:The team is looking into removing buying PLEX directly and replacing it with buying AUR which can then be redeemed for a PLEX from the New Eden Store, reducing the current ISK/PLEX/AUR to simply ISK/AUR
Yeah, having to access the NES in order to get or manipulate a PLEX for account-related stuff wouldn't be nice.
If the metrics show that not many people are accessing the NES, that's because the interface is somewhat clunky, the preview options aren't letting us see how the whole outfit would look on the character, there's no "collections" (using a term from another MMO) where the outfits that we already have are highlighted somehow, and there's not a lot of choice. The whole store feels ignored. |
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2015.01.25 13:38:21 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: ... Do you think that having AUR floating around in your account would tempt you into dressing up your barbie doll?
Just having this AUR floating around probably won't, unless people have a lot of it lying around for some reason (more than one or two PLEX worth of AUR). However, if the PLEX will be sold through the NES store, a lot more people will visit the NES store more frequently. This would result in more people being aware of what products are available on the NES store, what the latest sales are etc. and it could (I should probably say will) trigger some people into impulse purchases.
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Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
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Posted - 2015.01.25 13:43:19 -
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I've got a better question:
What's wrong with the launcher? No, I don't want an emotion-filled answer about change, I want facts which make the launcher a security risk. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2015.01.25 14:10:08 -
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I used to have problems getting junctioned clients to properly seperate if I used the launcher. That doesn't seem to be an issue anymore, but of course, the store doesn't work for me even with the launcher.
(and nothing of value was lost)
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.01.25 15:59:33 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:I've got a better question:
What's wrong with the launcher? No, I don't want an emotion-filled answer about change, I want facts which make the launcher a security risk. For one, if you run EVE on Linux using the launcher it memory leaks and refuses to close. You have to terminate the process when you eventually manage to open up the process manager.
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.25 16:25:10 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:I've got a better question:
What's wrong with the launcher? No, I don't want an emotion-filled answer about change, I want facts which make the launcher a security risk. For one, if you run EVE on Linux using the launcher it memory leaks and refuses to close. You have to terminate the process when you eventually manage to open up the process manager. eh, having a task manager of sorts open at all times is good practice even on windows, surprising how many prograsm open up in the background that serve no purpose but to endlessly draw away resources until closed (and almost all of them have to do with itunes/apple products, so not even sure how they got on my computer)
but yeah, if it seriously causes a memory leak issue when running on linux, then CCP needs to look at how the files runs under an emulator or what have you and see if its their code not translating properly in the simulated environment, or if its a linux issue to start |
Sadario
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2015.01.25 16:48:34 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote: but yeah, if it seriously causes a memory leak issue when running on linux, then CCP needs to look at how the files runs under an emulator
They should, but no, they don't. Linux-support was scrapped a few years back. CCP only (officially) supports M$ and fruits (mainly apple). |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2015.01.25 17:09:26 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Either my EVE-Search Fu is not strong, this hasn't been raised yet or the search engine is not particularly good. Quote:The team is looking into removing buying PLEX directly and replacing it with buying AUR which can then be redeemed for a PLEX from the New Eden Store, reducing the current ISK/PLEX/AUR to simply ISK/AUR I would rather not run the launcher. Do you think that having AUR floating around in your account would tempt you into dressing up your barbie doll? I do not have any barbie dolls, all I have are capsuleers.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2015.01.25 17:12:39 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:I've got a better question:
What's wrong with the launcher? No, I don't want an emotion-filled answer about change, I want facts which make the launcher a security risk. On a Mac there is something called the eve clonemaker. It uses links of some sort to make a copy of the client that uses very little memory. But when you use the clone, its the same as going directly to the .exe file.
Using clones is nice as if something happens to glitch it out, you can quickly just delete the clone and make a new one, and never put your main install in danger of getting glitched.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
335
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Posted - 2015.01.25 17:13:24 -
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I would think this would make AUR more expensive in terms of isk if they tied plex buying to it and insure higher prices in isk of items over time as all the store items would be tied to plex price increases therefore people would get more for buying store items for money and changing it to isk over time.
That is if I got my mind wrapped around this.
Itd also increase presentation to people and sales as a result. Like how some stores have the cashier in the back not the front of the store so u have to walk through the entire store before making a purchase so you can see and maybe impulse buy an item before you get there. Product placement is a HUGE part of driving sales.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2015.01.25 17:35:13 -
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To fill in a little detail on the NES and the launcher:
The Launcher starts Eve by starting it with a login token, rather than passing the username/password with it. It gets that token from login.eveonline.com
The NES requires Eve to have been started with the launcher, as it uses the login token to open it up. The NES is, basically, a frontend on a webservice which is authenticated by that token.
The idea is: You can only buy Aurum. (from CCP and designated third parties). PLEX can no longer be bought directly for RL money.
You can buy things from the NES, with Aurum. These things can be, if desired, sold on the ISK market (this includes PLEX)
PLEX is no longer a value insertion point, as it is now.
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.01.25 17:46:40 -
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So basically CCP wants to force me into buying Aurum?
This went well, when they wanted to force me into the CQ.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.01.25 17:48:37 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Itd also increase presentation to people and sales as a result. Like how some stores have the cashier in the back not the front of the store so u have to walk through the entire store before making a purchase so you can see and maybe impulse buy an item before you get there. Product placement is a HUGE part of driving sales. When it comes to things, you can inform me once of your product. However, usually, I see a product out when I need it and occasionally, when I have unilateral decision that I want it.
Any advertising that I actually remember, I boycott. I won't even tell people the brands that I boycott because that further advertises them. All I hope for is that they follow my method and advertising will one day be done in a more intelligent way without all false creation of demand. Here is a nice example of such a thing. The other example of that item involves a video that makes most people throw up when they see where it comes from and how it is treated. The supply that is constantly shipped to your house is the best because of regulations.
The only reason I redeemed any cosmetic things was to stop the darn redeem thing pestering me. That AUR junk will just gather moth balls.
How ludacris is it? We can't even visit each other's Captain's Quarters. Captain's Quarters is like Second Life's prettier but handicapped cousin.
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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.25 17:54:32 -
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"No" says Ila, while wearing a shirt purchased in the NES.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2015.01.25 17:55:41 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:To fill in a little detail on the NES and the launcher:
The Launcher starts Eve by starting it with a login token, rather than passing the username/password with it. It gets that token from login.eveonline.com
The NES requires Eve to have been started with the launcher, as it uses the login token to open it up. The NES is, basically, a frontend on a webservice which is authenticated by that token.
The idea is: You can only buy Aurum. (from CCP and designated third parties). PLEX can no longer be bought directly for RL money.
You can buy things from the NES, with Aurum. These things can be, if desired, sold on the ISK market (this includes PLEX)
PLEX is no longer a value insertion point, as it is now. One wonders if this was done, there is a reason for PLEX at all. Just get rid of them, convert existing ones to Aurum. Use the NES store to sell game time directly (Rather than PLEX) for yourself or someone else. Also, allow players to sell Aurum directly to each other.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
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Posted - 2015.01.25 18:39:39 -
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AUR / PLEX / ISK to ISK The should Get Rid it Of it all together they are outdated Business Models we need a disruptive alternative where Players Truly Get There ROI And I dont really see How CCP can Continue to make Money this way in the next 20 years. And This Launcher Issue I have No clue what you talking about its as confusing as the AUR.I never Buy That.
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Guardian Stella
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.25 20:41:39 -
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CCP can't just get rid of the PLEX in the ISK / PLEX / AUR chain...
Its very easy to understand why |
Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
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Posted - 2015.01.25 20:51:28 -
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Guardian Stella wrote:CCP can't just get rid of the PLEX in the ISK / PLEX / AUR chain... Its very easy to understand why Well at least maybe they will make some Money Selling T shirts with Bees on it.
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
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Posted - 2015.01.25 21:26:39 -
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The NEX store has never worked for me, and I always use the launcher. Good thing I don't really care about it I guess.
I'm skeptical about moving PLEX into the NEX to be purchased with AUR. I worry it will further promote the idea of selling all the other junk on the market to convert $$$ to ISK instead of just using PLEX, causing the price of PLEX to rise. It was better, I think, when all the $$$ to ISK converters were competing over one market item, keeping PLEX cheap in ISK value. But I'm no economist maybe I'm wrong. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2015.01.25 21:38:14 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Either my EVE-Search Fu is not strong, this hasn't been raised yet or the search engine is not particularly good. Quote:The team is looking into removing buying PLEX directly and replacing it with buying AUR which can then be redeemed for a PLEX from the New Eden Store, reducing the current ISK/PLEX/AUR to simply ISK/AUR I would rather not run the launcher. Do you think that having AUR floating around in your account would tempt you into dressing up your barbie doll?
It absolutely makes sense to combine PLEX and AUR into a single currency. The great roadblock in the way of this sensible move was the massive Incarna giveaway. I infer from the notes you quoted that the very clever MCT mechanic has largely cleared that stockpile without costing CCP hundreds of thousands of dollars.
I hope CCP go right ahead with combining PLEX and AUR as soon as possible, and take the opportunity of adding more granular options for trading game time.
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