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ShadowandLight
Trigger Happy Capsuleers Soviet-Union
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Posted - 2015.01.26 08:32:43 -
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I've been trying for months to fight against not only the input duplication changes but also any future "adjustments".
It appears some of the very CSM's many of us supported have decided to wage a war behind the scenes against multiboxing and trying to gain some clarification from CCP on the matter.
CoreBloodBrothers stated
Quote:"We felt with isboxer we where talking too a wall, but CCP came around bigtime. I hate isboxer bomberwings." https://sites.google.com/site/csmwire/csm-10-election/corebloodbrothers
There have been numerous topics locked just the past 24 hours from people protesting issues with multiboxing. http://i.imgur.com/ZDmiC2U.png
CCP Falcon appears on the GRN show and only states that CCP isnt going to hold any public discussion on the topic and if you have any questions you need to open a support ticket, but dont share that information you recieve from doing so since it will get you banned. http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/51966-CCP-Falcon-offers-some-clarification-on-Multiboxing-ISBoxer
Instead of debating game mechanics and improving EVE, the solution was presented to ban input duplication and now per the latest CSM minutes they are also looking at removing Fleet Broadcasting as another solution. What will be the next ball that is dropped against multi-boxing in EVE that will also have a huge negative effect against everyone else in EVE?
Quote:"Xander asked if there was serious consideration for removing fleet warp. CCP Fozzie replied that yes, it was something being considered but that nothing had been decided. Some CSM members expressed support and some expressed opposition. "
I've spoken and written extensively on the topic of Mulitboxing in EVE. http://legacyeve.blogspot.com/2014/11/in-defense-of-multiboxing-in-eve-online.html http://www.lostineve.net/podcast-episode-3/ http://praisebobpodcast.blogspot.com/2014/12/multiboxers-crucified-episode-23.html
I encourage people to read and listen to the arguments on the issue and voice their opinion on the forums / social media.
EVE Online and Multiboxing: My position against the upcoming changes and why Multiboxing is good for EVE and its player economy
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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
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Posted - 2015.01.26 08:37:14 -
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wait just a clarification are you talking about the target broadcast options like broadcasting target or for shield armor that kinda thing that's in the fleet tools you talking about them removing or is this something else entirely im a little confused? |
ShadowandLight
Trigger Happy Capsuleers Soviet-Union
318
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Posted - 2015.01.26 08:39:14 -
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ITTigerClawIK wrote:wait just a clarification are you talking about the target broadcast options like broadcasting target or for shield armor that kinda thing that's in the fleet tools you talking about them removing or is this something else entirely im a little confused?
It's fleet warping, not broadcasts (yet). My mistake
EVE Online and Multiboxing: My position against the upcoming changes and why Multiboxing is good for EVE and its player economy
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
32028
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Posted - 2015.01.26 08:41:21 -
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This is so 2014.
It's 2015 already and the World hasn't collapsed.
If fleet warping is removed then so what? Just means the fleet won't all warp together at the same speed and time. Will take some adjustment/skill in some situations, to have everyone land on grid at the same time. That's more interesting gameplay imo.
No matter if it stays and no matter if it goes.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8647
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Posted - 2015.01.26 08:55:43 -
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you can have mulitboxing or reasonable plex prices, pick one
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
594
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Posted - 2015.01.26 09:00:47 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:you can have mulitboxing or reasonable plex prices, pick one
Quote:Multiboxing directly influences PLEX prices greater than any other force in EVE and is the sole cause of high PLEX prices Please take ECON 101 before attempting to badpost. If ISBoxers really were causing high PLEX prices, it should have stabilized at some point at something less than 800m. Correlation =/= Causation.
Additional note to make: CCP was unwilling to consider alternative means to achieving their goal of stopping the multiboxed fleets, even when credible people came forward and all but testified that the change would not deter the fleets, and attempted to propose actual changes.
And for the trolls, ISBoxing itself is not banned, only broadcasting (so far). |
Flash Startraveler
Startravelers
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Posted - 2015.01.26 09:18:50 -
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Well the problems in the closed threads, that i can see is, that it seems that people are getting banned even if they have not used ISBoxer or a similar Program and thats something that really concerns me as i am dualboxing with two monitors quite a bit. So if i'm just fast and issue two identical commands with two different clients in one server tick, it means i can be banned even if i'd play on a pc with nothing on it except from EVE? TBQH i dont think that this is the fault of the ISBoxing community, i see it more as the fault of the Anit-ISBoxers. Yes i dont like ISBomberwings either but rushing consequences just made stuff for a shitload of absolutely innocent people quite complitaced. I mean who wants to even just dualbox manually if you can get banned for it cause the system cant decide wether its broadcasted or not.... In dubio pro reo should probably be the way, that this is handeled but there are too many people complaining at the moment to belive it is. I hope al of you that spent the last months wishing each other the worst are now satisfied with what they seem to have accomplished.
Yeah go ahead remove Fleetwarp... EveOffline singleplayer game soonGäó |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
594
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Posted - 2015.01.26 09:21:26 -
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Flash Startraveler wrote:Well the problems in the closed threads, that i can see is, that it seems that people are getting banned even if they have not used ISBoxer or a similar Program and thats something that really concerns me as i am dualboxing with two monitors quite a bit. So if i'm just fast and issue two identical commands with two different clients in one server tick, it means i can be banned even if i'd play on a pc with nothing on it except from EVE? TBQH i dont think that this is the fault of the ISBoxing community, i see it more as the fault of the Anit-ISBoxers. Yes i dont like ISBomberwings either but rushing consequences just made stuff for a shitload of absolutely innocent people quite complitaced. I mean who wants to even just to dualbox manually if you can get banned for it cause the system cant decide wether its broadcasted or not.... In dubio pro reo should probably be the way, that this is handeled but there are too many people complaining at the moment to belive it is. I hope al of you that spent the last months wishing each other the worst are now satisfied with what they seem to have accomplished.
Yeah go ahead remove Fleetwarp... EveOffline singleplayer game soonGäó
I agree with a lot of what you have to say. I would like to add that CCP ignored the most obvious nerf to bomber wings: adding an arming code to each bomb launch. |
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.01.26 09:38:19 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.
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ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Sturmwolke
616
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Posted - 2015.01.26 09:49:09 -
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Give it a rest already. An ant hill must look like a mountain, if you're an ant. Playing ANY game or MMO should never have a pre-requisite that you need to subscribe to 3rd party services to get ahead. This is pure metagaming. No sane developers or persons will want to encourage this for obvious reasons, and neither should you if you love this game.
Get off ISBoxer. Want to multi-box? Knock yourself out with the usual ways. Too painful? That's ok .. it's IntendedGäó.
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Orchid Fury
University of Caille Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2015.01.26 09:49:26 -
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please post your whines to the stickied thread and don't clutter up the forums. tia. |
Flash Startraveler
Startravelers
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Posted - 2015.01.26 09:51:11 -
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As discussing of moderation is prohibited, i am now STATING that i have put a screenshot of my post in my bio.
But to contribute something to the discussion: Removing Fleetwarp as a consequence of everybodys fear of ISBoxers would be a step in the wrong direction. Causing bigger problems to solve smaller ones is not a solution. |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
594
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Posted - 2015.01.26 09:58:19 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Give it a rest already. An ant hill must look like a mountain, if you're an ant. Playing ANY game or MMO should never have a pre-requisite that you need to subscribe to 3rd party services to get ahead. This is pure metagaming. No sane developers or persons will want to encourage this for obvious reasons, and neither should you if you love this game. Get off ISBoxer. Want to multi-box? Knock yourself out with the usual ways. Too painful? That's ok .. it's IntendedGäó.
Nobody is forcing you to subscribe to ISBoxer. ISBoxer does not magically turn you into a god. It will not magically scam people in local out of their ISK. It will not magically stop you from losing ISK if someone comes and ganks you. It will not earn you more ISK / person than supercap building, C5-6 escalations, or scamming in Jita. It will not magic hundreds of deadspace or officer modules into your cargohold.
It does have a high entry level for new users. It does paint a massive bullseye on your back wherever you go. It does not modify the program in any way that could be construed to be injecting code or modifying the rate at which each character earns ISK. It does require a lot of fiddling to make work. it does have a high price to pay if you mess up.
People tried to bring solutions to CCP that would have been more effective than the broadcasting ban, but we were ignored. We were the ones who were telling CCP that this wouldn't work, but we were ignored. Oh well. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8647
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Posted - 2015.01.26 10:03:10 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:you can have mulitboxing or reasonable plex prices, pick one Quote:Multiboxing directly influences PLEX prices greater than any other force in EVE and is the sole cause of high PLEX prices Please take ECON 101 before attempting to badpost. If ISBoxers really were causing high PLEX prices, it should have stabilized at some point at something less than 800m. Correlation =/= Causation. Additional note to make: CCP was unwilling to consider alternative means to achieving their goal of stopping the multiboxed fleets, even when credible people came forward and all but testified that the change would not deter the fleets, and attempted to propose actual changes. And for the trolls, ISBoxing itself is not banned, only broadcasting (so far). Good thing I'm right then. this announcement came when plex hit on billion isk and it popped the plex bubble.
in this case the cause was actually input broadcasting.
try reaserch before whinging next time.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
594
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Posted - 2015.01.26 10:13:52 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Good thing I'm right then. this announcement came when plex hit on billion isk and it popped the plex bubble. in this case the cause was actually input broadcasting. try reaserch before whinging next time.
Correlation =/= Causation. I don't understand how this is so hard for you to understand. If you attempt to compare an item that was subject to as many different extenuating circumstances and alternative mitigating factors as PLEX to before and after a single declaration, you're gonna have a bad time. If multiboxing was the sole cause of PLEX increase, it would have stabilized down near 500m or less instead of ping-ponging near 900m like it is right now. Additionally, 1B was a stated mark by multiple PLEX hoarders as the point at which they'd liquidate some or all of their massive stocks. And finally, I've only seen two boxers including myself (out of a group of nearly 15-20) who've stopped boxing. Thanks to Shadowandlight, bomber wings are still fine. Mining wings were pretty much never at risk, and incursion fleets have switched over to Paladins/Vargurs or drone assisted Snakes.
And finally, instead of whining at CCP to change the gameplay, grab yourself a Catalyst and make some change. That is what this game is still about, right? Changing the world yourself, not whining at CCP till you get what you want. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8648
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Posted - 2015.01.26 10:34:13 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Good thing I'm right then. this announcement came when plex hit on billion isk and it popped the plex bubble. in this case the cause was actually input broadcasting. try reaserch before whinging next time. Correlation =/= Causation. I don't understand how this is so hard for you to understand. If you attempt to compare an item that was subject to as many different extenuating circumstances and alternative mitigating factors as PLEX to before and after a single declaration, you're gonna have a bad time. If multiboxing was the sole cause of PLEX increase, it would have stabilized down near 500m or less instead of ping-ponging near 900m like it is right now. Additionally, 1B was a stated mark by multiple PLEX hoarders as the point at which they'd liquidate some or all of their massive stocks. And another thing, I've only seen two boxers including myself (out of a group of nearly 15-20) who've stopped boxing. Thanks to Shadowandlight, bomber wings are still fine. Mining wings were pretty much never at risk, and incursion fleets have switched over to Paladins/Vargurs or drone assisted Snakes. Gankers can also use Shadow's rollover and fleet warps, and the fact that idiots still run around with 20b in their cargohold. And finally, instead of whining at CCP to change the gameplay, grab yourself a Catalyst and make some change. That is what this game is still about, right? Changing the world yourself, not whining at CCP till you get what you want. You see me whinging do you ? where have I asked ccp for anything ?
I'm not te one furiously typing teary eyed defences over something that's done and over.
You're just going to continue dismissing anything other than hard data (which neither of us have) so I'll leave you with this.
o7
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Sturmwolke
618
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Posted - 2015.01.26 10:37:14 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote: Nobody is forcing you to subscribe to ISBoxer. ISBoxer does not magically turn you into a god. It will not magically scam people in local out of their ISK. It will not magically stop you from losing ISK if someone comes and ganks you. It will not earn you more ISK / person than supercap building, C5-6 escalations, or scamming in Jita. It will not magic hundreds of deadspace or officer modules into your cargohold.
It does have a high entry level for new users. It does paint a massive bullseye on your back wherever you go. It does not modify the program in any way that could be construed to be injecting code or modifying the rate at which each character earns ISK. It does require a lot of fiddling to make work. it does have a high price to pay if you mess up.
People tried to bring solutions to CCP that would have been more effective than the broadcasting ban, but we were ignored. We were the ones who were telling CCP that this wouldn't work, but we were ignored. Oh well.
No one is forcing you to continue subscribing to EVE either when CCP breaks your favorite toy. Is there some other hidden motives? Line 2-5, pure noise.
2nd para, pure noise.
Last para, negotiate with hardcore metagamers? Nope, not if they want to save their game. Basic principle still stands as a rock, no matter how wiggly you want play this.
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
594
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Posted - 2015.01.26 10:46:44 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:You see me whinging do you ? where have I asked ccp for anything ? I'm not te one furiously typing teary eyed defences over something that's done and over. You're just going to continue dismissing anything other than hard data (which neither of us have) so I'll leave you with this.o7
The irony of someone who whined to CCP about ISBoxing being OP, especially after being told by multiple people that there are seriously powerful counters available, telling me to HTFU is so great that Alexander is envious. I've been the one who's been the voice of reason to CCP during this whole ordeal. I reached out to CCP and told them that 1) This wouldn't work and 2) I know how to do what they intended. Kind of a strange thing to do if I was crying my eyes out over space pixels.
I'm dismissal of almost anything but hard data because it's my job as a Criminal Justice Investigator student. I don't sit here making speculative guesses based on nothing other than "muh feels". I look at the evidence presented to me, consult experts in whatever field my investigation takes me to, and craft a report based on the facts. I don't jump to a conclusion and then twist the facts around to suit my purpose.
If you have nothing else to contribute other than "You should HTFU while I whine to CCP", then don't post.
Quote:No one is forcing you to continue subscribing to EVE either when CCP breaks your favorite toy. Is there some other hidden motives? Line 2-5, pure noise. 2nd para, pure noise. Last para, negotiate with hardcore metagamers? Nope, not if they want to save their game. Basic principle still stands as a rock, no matter how wiggly you want play this.
Nobody's forcing you to do nothing when there's a multibox miner in the belt either. Nobody's forcing you to play when there's someone who puts more time and effort in to the game than you. Sure, if the definition of "pure noise" was somehow changed to mean "rebuttals to the most common arguments against a product". And if metagaming was banned in the last year, I guess I missed it. I'm sure BL's Tengu fleets, PL's wrecking ball fleets, and the current meta buildup of Titans will be stopped soon enough. When CCP went to change wormholes, they talked to corbexx, who talked to the wormhole residents. CCP then took a look at corbexx's research, and made changes accordingly. Apparently, asking for a little respect and a chance to help them fix their game is Not Good unless you have a CSM's ear. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8648
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Posted - 2015.01.26 10:54:42 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:You see me whinging do you ? where have I asked ccp for anything ? I'm not te one furiously typing teary eyed defences over something that's done and over. You're just going to continue dismissing anything other than hard data (which neither of us have) so I'll leave you with this.o7 The irony of someone who whined to CCP about ISBoxing being OP, especially after being told by multiple people that there are seriously powerful counters available, telling me to HTFU is so great that Alexander is envious. I've been the one who's been the voice of reason to CCP during this whole ordeal. I reached out to CCP and told them that 1) This wouldn't work and 2) I know how to do what they intended. Kind of a strange thing to do if I was crying my eyes out over space pixels. I'm dismissal of almost anything but hard data because it's my job as a Criminal Justice Investigator student. I don't sit here making speculative guesses based on nothing other than "muh feels". I look at the evidence presented to me, consult experts in whatever field my investigation takes me to, and craft a report based on the facts. I don't jump to a conclusion and then twist the facts around to suit my purpose. If you have nothing else to contribute other than "You should HTFU while I whine to CCP", then don't post. no, you should htfu period.
Again where am I whinging.
get over it, it's done.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
594
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Posted - 2015.01.26 11:02:56 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:no, you should htfu period. Again where am I whinging. get over it, it's done.
You're whining that CCP may have screwed the pooch on this. CCP is not infallible. T20 should have taught anyone that. I want to help CCP fix their game. If that's bad, sue me. |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8649
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Posted - 2015.01.26 11:07:40 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:no, you should htfu period. Again where am I whinging. get over it, it's done. You're whining that CCP may have screwed the pooch on this. CCP is not infallible. T20 should have taught anyone that. I want to help CCP fix their game. If that's bad, sue me. Am I ? your reading comprehension sucks for a law student dude.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Shalashaska Adam
Partial Safety
88
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Posted - 2015.01.26 11:13:55 -
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How about removing fleet warp and wing warp, but leaving squad warp, so squad commanders have importance.
Fleet/Wing commanders could then have an ability to request a fleet warp which the squad commanders could accept. |
Sturmwolke
620
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Posted - 2015.01.26 11:16:29 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote: Nobody's forcing you to do nothing when there's a multibox miner in the belt either. Nobody's forcing you to play when there's someone who puts more time and effort in to the game than you. Sure, if the definition of "pure noise" was somehow changed to mean "rebuttals to the most common arguments against a product". And if metagaming was banned in the last year, I guess I missed it. I'm sure BL's Tengu fleets, PL's wrecking ball fleets, and the current meta buildup of Titans will be stopped soon enough. When CCP went to change wormholes, they talked to corbexx, who talked to the wormhole residents. CCP then took a look at corbexx's research, and made changes accordingly. Apparently, asking for a little respect and a chance to help them fix their game is Not Good unless you have a CSM's ear.
You know what this reminds me of? Arguing with a 15 year old teenager. Do you know how teenagers argue? They nitpick everything that even touches the subject, moving goalposts etc. etc. ... i.e. lots and lots and lots of noise. And no before the ad hominem accusations come through, it's directed at how the response was articulated, not the person.
I don't even know why I bothered posting in the first place, except on a whim
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
852
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Posted - 2015.01.26 11:17:12 -
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If they are removing fleet warping, I hope they will at least allow us to warp at slower than ship's maximum warp speed. |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
594
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Posted - 2015.01.26 11:18:48 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:no, you should htfu period. Again where am I whinging. get over it, it's done. You're whining that CCP may have screwed the pooch on this. CCP is not infallible. T20 should have taught anyone that. I want to help CCP fix their game. If that's bad, sue me. Am I ? your reading comprehension sucks for a law student dude.
Criminal Justice =/= Law. Two separate careers with two separate jobs. Telling us to not attempt to bring an issue with the game to light is akin to whining to CCP over the original issue. At least, that's how some of those who aren't "hurpdurp ISBoxer is akin to aimbots in COD" see it. I will not attempt to speak for everyone as that's a form of dishonesty. Speaking of "trying to speak for everyone", I'd love to know what CSM corebloodbrother was thinking when ISBoxers were presenting logical arguments, evidence, and proof in every "HURP ISBOXER IS BAD" thread in GD in the past umpteen years, contrary to the whiners who had nothing more to say than "I feel it's bad" and "my freighter with 20b ISK was ganked while AFK through Niarja ergo it's bad."
Quote:You know what this reminds me of? Arguing with a 15 year old teenager. Do you know how teenagers argue? They nitpick everything that even touches the subject, moving goalposts etc. etc. ... i.e. lots and lots and lots of noise. And no before the ad hominem accusations come through, it's directed at how the response was articulated, not the person.
I don't even know why I bothered posting in the first place, except on a whim That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. If you cannot back up your claims, or have nothing to support your arguments when exposed to logic and solid solutions to the issues, then maybe they aren't good arguments or claims. vOv |
Mildew Wolf
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Posted - 2015.01.26 12:09:08 -
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I hope they do remove fleet warp
Also please remove skynetting
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.26 12:13:57 -
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Wow CCP you listend to my idea, surely stunning.
The problem with fleet warp is one guy can basically warp everyone to safety (like a pos) at the drop of a dime. Really there is not much of a way to fight people in null sec from just camping local chat aligned to be able to run 20 to 30 mining ships, ready to warp at the drop of a dime. Yes the guy has to hit the mining lasers individually now, but basically can still multibox to safety without problem and very legally.
Either remove fleet warp or at least make it take a skill as in skill points, making it a skill everyone gets to use for nothing is overpowered and abused. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1908
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Posted - 2015.01.26 13:00:23 -
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Removing fleet warp is food for thought, and the isboxer tears are a delightful seasoning.
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
260
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Posted - 2015.01.26 13:07:53 -
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Arbitrary click fest to make something harder to do just for the sake of it is stupid . Fleet warp, target broadcast do make mulitboxing easier, but they also make a huge difference for fleets as well. It is really not such a big deal. Seriously? "waaa waa they all warped away and i couldn't gank them". Yea do better next time.
Eve has fundamental mechanics designed around multiboxing. I fly in a time zone where our corp would not work without multiple accounts.
Be able to play a game called eve and mulitboxing, or kiss eve goodbye. There is no way in hell eve would survive banning multiboxing. it would make burn jita look like a walk in the park. And sooner rather than later CCP would be forced to backtrack. Or shutdown.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
672
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Posted - 2015.01.26 13:53:35 -
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My only reservations with binning fleet warp are the pain-in-the-ass of combat probing, and variable warp-speeds.
Firstly, I would assume they wouldn't make it mandatory for every combat pilot ever to carry a probe-launcher, so there needs to be some replacement system that allows the prober/FC to communicate a point-to-warp-to to the rest of the fleet. If the prober can just broadcast a co-ordinate to the fleet to manually warp themselves to, all is good.
As for the second, the joy of fleet-warp is it keeps your fleet together. Manually warping will result in a small pack of tackle frigs landing unsupported several seconds before the rest of the fleet; and if the fleet is a BS fleet, you'll then get the support cruisers landing quite a chunk of time before their dps arrives, leaving them rather sitting ducks. If a "set warp speed to slowest fleet member" checkbox could be added, it'd allow dictors and tacklers to speed ahead when they need to (by unchecking the option), whilst keeping more valuable or fragile (but faster than your line) ships within the herd. Without something like this, fragile but fast fleet support becomes worthless (don't bother with ecm frigs, since they'll all be cleaned up long before the logistics get on grid). |
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