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Typhoid Mary
Alzhara Industries
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Posted - 2015.01.26 16:21:12 -
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I am hoping to get into level 4 missions one day (!!!) and I have been doing some homework about the missions, resists, swapping ammo, tank fits etc.
In the course of doing the research I started to become aware of the fact that while Missiles are great for missions, they are considered sub-par for Incursions. As a Caldari pilot (I decided to train for Caldari ships), and my options if I want to do Incursions as well is to switch from Missiles to Hybrid Turrets.
Luckily I am still very shallow into my training (been first doing my core support skills as was recommended both here and ingame) so switching from missiles to hybrids isnt a big thing. But when I digged some more I also became aware that while the Rokh is certainly acceptable for Incursions, it is lacking for missions.
So my question:
If I switch to Hybrid turrets (from Missiles) should I rather train Gallente ships? Or can I just stick to Caldari Ships and use a kick-ass looking Rokh for both incursions and level 4 missions? |
atomic killer
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.01.26 17:02:46 -
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Typhoid Mary wrote:I am hoping to get into level 4 missions one day (!!!) and I have been doing some homework about the missions, resists, swapping ammo, tank fits etc.
In the course of doing the research I started to become aware of the fact that while Missiles are great for missions, they are considered sub-par for Incursions. As a Caldari pilot (I decided to train for Caldari ships), and my options if I want to do Incursions as well is to switch from Missiles to Hybrid Turrets.
Luckily I am still very shallow into my training (been first doing my core support skills as was recommended both here and ingame) so switching from missiles to hybrids isnt a big thing. But when I digged some more I also became aware that while the Rokh is certainly acceptable for Incursions, it is lacking for missions.
So my question:
If I switch to Hybrid turrets (from Missiles) should I rather train Gallente ships? Or can I just stick to Caldari Ships and use a kick-ass looking Rokh for both incursions and level 4 missions?
Get a Gila, with less then 3 mills SP you can do all Lvl 4 missions. And I've done it. The most important skills is T2 med drones. It takes 10 days to train (or something like that). |
chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
182
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:28:09 -
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Typhoid Mary wrote:IIf I switch to Hybrid turrets (from Missiles) should I rather train Gallente ships? Or can I just stick to Caldari Ships and use a kick-ass looking Rokh for both incursions and level 4 missions?
Its probably a good idea to switch to gallente if going with hybrids, just because you'll have more options: megathron, Hyperion, vindicator, kronos. |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
566
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Posted - 2015.01.26 23:27:16 -
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For incursions go straight for vindicator.
Gila for L4 is good advice.
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
Eat dessert first!
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Charlie Jacobson
285
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Posted - 2015.01.27 11:52:33 -
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I've never flown a Gila, but I would assume something like this could be decent::
[Gila, Gila fit]
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Afterburner II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Light Missile [Empty High slot]
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Hammerhead II x2
Replace invulns with specific hardeners, use AB to speed tank the majority of incoming damage. Kill nearby frigates quickly with rapid lights and let the medium drones chew through everything. (?)
It's kind of an expensive hull, though. You'd be fairly vulnerable to suicide ganking, even with this buffer/passive tank.
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Trey Kutoi
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Spaceship Samurai
44
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Posted - 2015.01.27 13:14:55 -
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Charlie Jacobson wrote:
It's kind of an expensive hull, though. You'd be fairly vulnerable to suicide ganking, even with this buffer/passive tank.
that's a pretty good Passive fit, though damage control is almost unnecessary with the thick shields of the hull and battleship sized guns shooting you. Alternatively you can try a 'trickle rep' with a small shield booster and a boost amplifier, or just a medium and paying attention to what's going on. (however, guristas ships have ungodly fast shield regen, so buffer/regen fit is usually the way to go)
For the most part, unless you're blingy, they probably won't gank a gila, as they're becoming increasingly common. a T2 fit isnt worth anyone's time, unless you're autopiloting or something else dumb (like going afk, though you can almost do that in most L4s) |
Charlie Jacobson
285
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Posted - 2015.01.27 13:22:38 -
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Some gankers will consider it "worth it" if they can get a killmail that is more expensive than the ships they suicide to get it. Not all of them aim to make a profit from the dropped modules ;p |
Typhoid Mary
Alzhara Industries
12
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Posted - 2015.01.27 13:32:36 -
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Great! You guys have convinced me, I am going to go for a Gila as my ship of choice. To any potential Gankers reading this, you will have to wait a few weeks before I fly one :D |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
929
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Posted - 2015.01.27 19:29:05 -
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thing is a gila is far from the line of incursion ship training.
cruiser, medium drones and missiles have nothing to do with incursions really =/ unless you're going to be in a T3 ship (of which most are exclusively Lokis for webbing)
I would just pick one of the turret based ships and go with that, machariels are getting cheap now and they can be used for incursions and missions as long as you fit them correctly |
atomic killer
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.01.27 22:49:46 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:thing is a gila is far from the line of incursion ship training.
cruiser, medium drones and missiles have nothing to do with incursions really =/ unless you're going to be in a T3 ship (of which most are exclusively Lokis for webbing)
I would just pick one of the turret based ships and go with that, machariels are getting cheap now and they can be used for incursions and missions as long as you fit them correctly
it's not, only one thing you need to train for it - T2 med drones. And it's not such a hard skill to train ! |
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
930
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Posted - 2015.01.27 23:04:22 -
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you won't be able to do level 4s with just t2 medium drones trained. |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
566
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Posted - 2015.01.28 00:37:35 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:thing is a gila is far from the line of incursion ship training.
cruiser, medium drones and missiles have nothing to do with incursions really =/ unless you're going to be in a T3 ship (of which most are exclusively Lokis for webbing)
I would just pick one of the turret based ships and go with that, machariels are getting cheap now and they can be used for incursions and missions as long as you fit them correctly i use medium drones for tower bashing in tpph incursion sites.
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
Eat dessert first!
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1532
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Posted - 2015.01.28 15:39:15 -
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Caleidascope wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:thing is a gila is far from the line of incursion ship training.
cruiser, medium drones and missiles have nothing to do with incursions really =/ unless you're going to be in a T3 ship (of which most are exclusively Lokis for webbing)
I would just pick one of the turret based ships and go with that, machariels are getting cheap now and they can be used for incursions and missions as long as you fit them correctly i use medium drones for tower bashing in tpph incursion sites.
People take Gila to run HQ sites now or you mean you use med drone on another boat? |
erg cz
Tribal Core
131
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Posted - 2015.01.28 15:59:39 -
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Typhoid Mary wrote:Great! You guys have convinced me, I am going to go for a Gila as my ship of choice. To any potential Gankers reading this, you will have to wait a few weeks before I fly one :D
Gila canot use MJD. It can be good at doing L4 missions in the hands of some experienced pilot, but newbee (I mean - L4 missions newbee) needs GTheFO button if he triggers wrong NPC group and get full room agro. Large micro jump drive is this GTheFO button. Navy Raven is proper L4 caldari mission runner untill you can get into Rattlesnake, but it relies on cruise missiles skills, not hybrid guns skills. |
Typhoid Mary
Alzhara Industries
12
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:18:22 -
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For better or worse I have decided to focus on my Drone skills. Once I have trained them to an acceptable level I am going to get myself a Dominix to start doing L4's with. From there I can branch out into almost any direction, and I will decide once I actually see what level 4's are all about. All I know for certain is that I will avoid any Missile related ship, because I do want to do Incursions a few months down the line as well. |
atomic killer
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.01.31 11:28:26 -
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erg cz wrote:Typhoid Mary wrote:Great! You guys have convinced me, I am going to go for a Gila as my ship of choice. To any potential Gankers reading this, you will have to wait a few weeks before I fly one :D Gila canot use MJD. It can be good at doing L4 missions in the hands of some experienced pilot, but newbee (I mean - L4 missions newbee) needs GTheFO button if he triggers wrong NPC group and get full room agro. Large micro jump drive is this GTheFO button. Navy Raven is proper L4 caldari mission runner untill you can get into Rattlesnake, but it relies on cruise missiles skills, not hybrid guns skills.
I am doing Lvl 4 missions for SoE, here is the fit :
[Gila]
3-x Drone Damage Amplifier II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
2-x Large Shield Extender II 3 DG hardeners Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner (don't have cap skills to mantain t2 afterburner, as soon as I will have them, I will fit T2 10mn afterburner)
4-x Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Drone Link Augmentor I
3-x Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
I've done all missions and if you are not gonna do extremly stupid things (like killing structure in "damsel in distress" and aggroing everyone including webing drones and 10+ autocannon BS), then you will have no problems at all.
Drop MTU, orbit it at 20-k at 650 m/s (it means transversal is betweet 500-850ms) and no BS can hit you, kill frigs fisrt, then cruisers, then BS. Job done.
To speed things up when killing BS-es orbit them at 20 and spam them with missiles.
About skills, I have nowdays 4.45 mils sp. Drones 1.1 mils, engineering 467000, missiles 404000, navigation 239000, shields 267, Caldari and Gallente cruiser at lvl3, targeting 65000. All other skills points dont have anything to do with missions.
So basicaly with less then 3 mils SP lvl4 is no problem at all. |
atomic killer
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.01.31 11:29:38 -
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Typhoid Mary wrote:For better or worse I have decided to focus on my Drone skills. Once I have trained them to an acceptable level I am going to get myself a Dominix to start doing L4's with. From there I can branch out into almost any direction, and I will decide once I actually see what level 4's are all about. All I know for certain is that I will avoid any Missile related ship, because I do want to do Incursions a few months down the line as well.
Dominix is way harder in Lvl 4 with low skills, because you need to tank rats. |
Dracones
Tarsis Inc
41
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Posted - 2015.01.31 19:41:14 -
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atomic killer wrote: Dominix is way harder in Lvl 4 with low skills, because you need to tank rats and have t2 large / sentry drones and BS at least to lvl4 to do similar damage.
+1 to the above. I'm a domi pilot because at one point in the game Dominix + drones was the best thing out there. Right now I'm training into Caldari ships for more PvE flexibility.
I'd recommend starting in on Caldari and using the larger hulls to compensate for the lower skills. Drakes and Ravens will take you pretty far in the PvE game without a lost of cost/skill need while you perfect your shield skills and improve with missile/drone skills. These skills won't be wasted due to shield tanking being very good in PvE and Gila/Rattlesnake are great advanced hulls that use Caldari skills.
After that you can expand into a different hull type(still relying on your shield tank skills/implants) and a different T2 weapon system to go along with it. |
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