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igRaVeN
MASS
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Posted - 2015.01.27 01:13:52 -
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Would you ask a real life friend for their full api? I cant tell if I'm being paranoid or the corp I'm trying to join are control freaks? |
Kirkra
The Versa-Ex Corp Total Absolution
0
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Posted - 2015.01.27 12:55:19 -
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Would you hand out copies of your bank statements and emails to all your facebook friends?
There are reasons for *some* fields in a corp API, but wallet history, mail and assets are generally off-limits. |
WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
377
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Posted - 2015.01.28 07:15:52 -
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Why does it matter..... do you have something to hide? |
igRaVeN
MASS
17
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Posted - 2015.01.28 12:57:48 -
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Nothing more than the next guy with a super carrier but having full api access as a requirement to join a corp just seems a bit much. On top of that, a corp with a 1/4% tax rate and a requirement to pay membership dues if you miss a fleet fight just seems like the most jewish fascism of all. And its ******* blowing my mind that a corp would require this. |
WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
377
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Posted - 2015.01.28 16:31:33 -
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This seems like there is more than just an API issue here. |
Han Chang
BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:13:22 -
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Full APIs are fine when applying to a new corp. It's pretty standard. Wallet accounts are analyzed for potential spy alts by looking at major transfers of ISK. If your RL friend is just trying to help you figure out the game or something by looking at your skills or whatever you can customize that. Recruitment is not unheard of to have full APIs.
edit: also if you are in renter space the 25% tax is fine too. Some renter corps make you pay a fixed rate like 50mil a month. |
igRaVeN
MASS
17
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Posted - 2015.01.29 03:47:16 -
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What ever happened to, "I know this guy - he's cool"?
I'm not gonna lie. This is the first time I've ever been asked for my full api in my 9 years of playing eve. Limited API - sure for IRC/forum verification. But never full access to all my assets/mails/etc.
When the hell did this become the norm? And so normal that you would ask a real life friend of 12 years for it?
**** me, how has EVE become this ******* paranoid about spies? Its ******* renter space, get over yourself. Also, I would be a ******* grunt joining with no roles and no access besides stations. i just don't see the point of the full api access.
--- Sidenote : I was accepted in the corp after giving them access but declined after reading their ridiculous "Pilot Assessment Program" (i.e. jew you our of more isk cause you didn't join fleet enough)
Sidenote Sidenote: I loaded up jEvEAssets to see what they saw. And holy **** - When did I accrue 10's of billions of isk and have less than 100M in my wallet. **** me, I have **** littered everywhere in eve. |
JoeyScirocco
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
5
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Posted - 2015.01.29 09:07:18 -
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If you can punch a guy in the face you dont need an api. |
Agent Unknown
Night Theifs DamnedNation
9
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Posted - 2015.01.29 15:47:21 -
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igRaVeN wrote:What ever happened to, "I know this guy - he's cool"?
I'm not gonna lie. This is the first time I've ever been asked for my full api in my 9 years of playing eve. Limited API - sure for IRC/forum verification. But never full access to all my assets/mails/etc.
When the hell did this become the norm? And so normal that you would ask a real life friend of 12 years for it?
**** me, how has EVE become this ******* paranoid about spies? Its ******* renter space, get over yourself. Also, I would be a ******* grunt joining with no roles and no access besides stations. i just don't see the point of the full api access.
--- Sidenote : I was accepted in the corp after giving them access but declined after reading their ridiculous "Pilot Assessment Program" (i.e. jew you our of more isk cause you didn't join fleet enough)
Sidenote Sidenote: I loaded up jEvEAssets to see what they saw. And holy **** - When did I accrue 10's of billions of isk and have less than 100M in my wallet. **** me, I have **** littered everywhere in eve.
Awoxing and stealing everything that isn't nailed down when given the tinest of roles is the reason full APIs are customary these days. Spies can also be very useful.
Put it this way: if you had a super parked at a POS in a backwater system and someone wanted it dead, a spy could figure out where it is without much trouble - and before you know it, you're -1 super. It's happened before. |
Xenophilius Lovegood
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Triumvirate.
21
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Posted - 2015.01.31 02:37:45 -
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I made my best friend since I was 8 give us full APIs when he joined. Not because I don't trust him, but because it's important that nobody feels they're above the corp. |
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Nicholai Sanse
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Triumvirate.
27
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Posted - 2015.01.31 09:14:27 -
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Xenophilius Lovegood wrote:I made my best friend since I was 8 give us full APIs when he joined. Not because I don't trust him, but because it's important that nobody feels they're above the corp.
Word. |
Talon Draygo
Capsuleer Outfitters Bad Intention
67
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Posted - 2015.02.01 13:30:33 -
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Any corp worth joining will require a full api. Get used to it. |
igRaVeN
MASS
17
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Posted - 2015.02.01 14:02:01 -
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Not worth it to me. I'll just go solo in NPC 0.0. I'm not going to "deal with it" like some mindless drone. No one needs to know that much information for an unlimited period of time. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
690
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Posted - 2015.02.02 16:48:37 -
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igRaVeN wrote: **** me, how has EVE become this ******* paranoid about spies?.
igRaVeN wrote:Nothing more than the next guy with a super carrier
I imagine every other Supercarrier owner in your prospective corp would prefer it if everyone who is going to be sharing their poses and supercap channels has been vetted to stop the obvious spies. In fact, as a Supercarrier owner myself, I would find your complete nonchalant stance towards security highly suspicious in and of itself.
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igRaVeN
MASS
17
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Posted - 2015.02.02 17:41:28 -
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To each their own.
Some people like having fingers up their butts when getting a prostate test, others do not. |
Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust Triumvirate.
1489
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Posted - 2015.02.03 13:06:59 -
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Only spies complain about API checks.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
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Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
860
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Posted - 2015.02.03 21:43:56 -
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apis are for aspies |
igRaVeN
MASS
17
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Posted - 2015.02.04 08:56:11 -
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Your logic is flawless.
I guess you could say with your logic that only terrorist complain about the the TSA groping their junk. |
ArmyOfMe
Invicta.
413
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Posted - 2015.02.04 14:35:18 -
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There are a quick simple solutions to this. If u can answer yes to the things below, then you can safly send him your full api.
1) Are you bigger then your rl friend?
2) Do you own a bat? (a sock filled with butter will also pack one hell of a punch if you use it correctly)
Paying for missing out on fleets however is ******** and i would tell them to shove their tax somewhere where the sun never shines.
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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Talon Draygo
Capsuleer Outfitters Bad Intention
67
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Posted - 2015.02.04 14:37:08 -
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You know man you chose to play the game. You chose to buy a super. The only groups that are going to let you use it effectively are groups that require full apis.
Since you obviously sound like a stubborn moron, I look forward to seeing your super loss mail on the killboard soonish.
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust Triumvirate.
1490
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Posted - 2015.02.04 18:19:37 -
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igRaVeN wrote:I guess you could say with your logic that only terrorist complain about the the TSA groping their junk. Terrorists, people with something to hide, and people who have trucks and guns to compensate for something else.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
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igRaVeN
MASS
17
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Posted - 2015.02.05 10:13:41 -
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Thanks everyone for the insight of 0.0 politics/recruitment.
First off for clarification. The super was never going to be part of their corp and it was not part of the recruitment process. Yes, it was my big gun asset compensating for my little ***** that I was trying to hide. I'm sorry!
Secondly, I only purchased a month sub and my time is about up. It saddens me that I will not be enlighten by the posts of COAD.
Again, Thank you everyone for your time. |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
860
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Posted - 2015.02.05 22:32:06 -
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igRaVeN wrote:Secondly, I only purchased a month sub and my time is about up. It saddens me that I will not be enlighten by the posts of COAD.
Again, Thank you everyone for your time.
1.- sell super 2.- buy PLEX 3.- use PLEX 4.- read my posts in CAOD
You're welcome
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2132
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Posted - 2015.02.19 22:08:39 -
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Kirkra wrote:Would you hand out copies of your bank statements and emails to all your facebook friends?
There are reasons for *some* fields in a corp API, but wallet history, mail and assets are generally off-limits.
Comparing that to well.. your video game equivalent seems a little over the top to me. |
Kirkra
The Versa-Ex Corp Total Absolution
0
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Posted - 2015.02.20 13:15:03 -
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Kiandoshia wrote:Kirkra wrote:Would you hand out copies of your bank statements and emails to all your facebook friends?
There are reasons for *some* fields in a corp API, but wallet history, mail and assets are generally off-limits. Comparing that to well.. your video game equivalent seems a little over the top to me.
I don't like being spied upon. Whether in-game or out of game. Sure in-game has a very different flavour and implications, but still.
I've witnessed a "Corporation security officer" being drunk on comms and reading another persons eve-mails on TS out loud (NOT my current corp or alliance). Was he a pretty unique jackass? Yes. Were there any consequences for him? A slap on the wrist. |
Propolis
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Black Legion.
47
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Posted - 2015.02.24 14:51:08 -
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Xenophilius Lovegood wrote:I made my best friend since I was 8 give us full APIs when he joined. Not because I don't trust him, but because it's important that nobody feels they're above the corp.
You don't have my API :D I AM ABOVE YOU, THE CORP, THIS GAME BITCHEZZZZ |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2694
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:21:12 -
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igRaVeN wrote:Thanks everyone for the insight of 0.0 politics/recruitment.
First off for clarification. The super was never going to be part of their corp and it was not part of the recruitment process. Yes, it was my big gun asset compensating for my little ***** that I was trying to hide. I'm sorry!
Secondly, I only purchased a month sub and my time is about up. It saddens me that I will not be enlighten by the posts of COAD.
Again, Thank you everyone for your time.
Comes, asks a question about API's, has it fully explained to him, gets mad at everybody for explaining it to him.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2694
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:30:15 -
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Kirkra wrote:Kiandoshia wrote:Kirkra wrote:Would you hand out copies of your bank statements and emails to all your facebook friends?
There are reasons for *some* fields in a corp API, but wallet history, mail and assets are generally off-limits. Comparing that to well.. your video game equivalent seems a little over the top to me. I don't like being spied upon. Whether in-game or out of game. Sure in-game has a very different flavour and implications, but still. I've witnessed a "Corporation security officer" being drunk on comms and reading another persons eve-mails on TS out loud (NOT my current corp or alliance). Was he a pretty unique jackass? Yes. Were there any consequences for him? A slap on the wrist.
I'd remove him as a director, simple as that.
APIs are not required to spy on you, and very few groups constantly look at your api (you can track who acesses your api and how often they o it).
The first time they view it is for security purposes, where they check your known and possibly unknown affiliation, track where you've been getting and sending money (because you could be funded by an enemy) and a cursory examination of your mail to make sure theres no "infiltrate this group" mails. Same goes for your contract history - are you getting odd contracts from a hostile entity?
Usually then its a look at your net worth and skill set to make sure you fit with the group and will be able to function.
After that your API is simply kept on file in 90% of eve groups and is used to run out of game services like IRC/Forums, and in the event that something shady happens that might involve you, or implicate you, your API can be reviewed for security.
Thats it.
What the moron in the OP doesn't get is that even though his 'friend' (im using the term lightly, this guy seems like a jerk) has known him for a decade, the rest of his friends group DOESN'T know him, and there have been too many cases over the years of 'oh you can trust my friend' that turned bad, so groups now just say ok you know him get his deets and we'll run quick for you.
Honestly if half of you would stop sending cyber sex mails you'd be way less sketchy about giving out your api keys, theres nothing in there that can hurt you or be used against you, and even if you THOUGHT a group was using it for an information tunnel (honestly, 0.0 groups make **** tons of money, nobody gives a rats ass about your jita trades) you can ALWAYS kill the tunnel by deleting the api key.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Maximus Decimal
Macabre Votum Northern Coalition.
97
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Posted - 2015.02.25 10:19:27 -
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Any Corp or alliance worth joining will require a full API for vetting be for you are accepted.
This is standard practice. And a formality. |
Stig Caldar
V.I.N.T.A.G.E
0
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Posted - 2015.03.01 20:01:00 -
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igRaVeN wrote:Thanks everyone for the insight of 0.0 politics/recruitment.
First off for clarification. The super was never going to be part of their corp and it was not part of the recruitment process. Yes, it was my big gun asset compensating for my little ***** that I was trying to hide. I'm sorry!
Secondly, I only purchased a month sub and my time is about up. It saddens me that I will not be enlighten by the posts of COAD.
Again, Thank you everyone for your time.
Kthanxbai!
Can I have your stuffs?
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Treyah
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Nulli Secunda
33
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Posted - 2015.03.02 02:12:14 -
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igRaVeN wrote:Nothing more than the next guy with a super carrier but having full api access as a requirement to join a corp just seems a bit much. On top of that, a corp with a 1/4% tax rate and a requirement to pay membership dues if you miss a fleet fight just seems like
*snip* Watch the racism and discriminatory comments. ~ ISD Decoy
And its ******* blowing my mind that a corp would require this.
Don't join? Tbh after reading that I'm glad I'm in a corp that's awesome and I want to participate in-- |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
1641
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Posted - 2015.03.04 07:46:05 -
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Joining a corp that doesn't require full, account wide api, has it's own risks - you have to keep wondering if you're the next awox victim. If you're unwilling to trade privacy for security, you must be willing to accept consequences of that lack of security.
The risk is increasing, as it's becoming a norm for corps to require full account wide api - the awoxers get more concentrated in the shrinking pool of corps that don't require it. |
Shey Nabali
Collapsed Out Overload Everything
14
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Posted - 2015.03.07 00:47:27 -
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Maximus Decimal wrote:Any Corp or alliance worth joining will require a full API for vetting be for you are accepted.
This is standard practice. And a formality.
formality implies no practical function, which API security checks definitely serve. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2660
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Posted - 2015.03.08 04:02:56 -
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Lykouleon wrote:Only spies complain about API checks.
Lykouleon I'm back why are you gone, you were a good poster. |
WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
381
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Posted - 2015.03.08 15:49:01 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Lykouleon wrote:Only spies complain about API checks. Lykouleon I'm back why are you gone, you were a good poster.
You can not ignore the call of Lord Makk. |
Destrukter
Mafia Redux Feign Disorder
1
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Posted - 2015.03.14 11:39:46 -
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Everyone wants to prevent another Haargoth |
Svarii
Acclimatization
69
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Posted - 2015.03.15 00:02:41 -
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Paranoid Much? Nobody cares what is in your emails... However, what ship you are flying and where you are at when CTA is issued is valuable information to a fleet commander. Just to name one of a great many things that can be monitored by the Brass in an effort to be able to more effectively issue orders. If none of the troops are willing to stream info to command due to paranoia, command has a serious problem. Why don't the troops trust command become the question at that point.
Pick a web based programming language, learn the EVE API, then you will know exactly why we CEOs ask for it.
Additionally, if you ask for a full account api and someone sends you a partial character api my first though is they are trying to side step a low level security sweep.
If I type anymore here this will be TL;DR and maybe spill some info, so. Either trust your command, or find another. Simple as that.
And like everyone else says. You CAN punch the guy in the face, lol!
Deny Pirates the Use of Implants
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igRaVeN
MASS
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Posted - 2015.03.15 07:49:56 -
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Oh my days... This thread is still going? I see COAD is no longer allowed to be a cesspool. I guess that's for the best.
ISD Decoy, I never knew a style of government was a discriminatory term but I guess I'll never understand the minds of people in power. Plus, its not like a person of leadership to ever over step their bounds and grossly act upon them; ingame, or out.
So anyways... I re-up'd my account to Hello Communist Kitty Online with the funds seeded from the newly sold super command ship and bought myself a few PLEXs. Thanks for the idea. And so, I'm here to rant some more...
Quote:...what ship you are flying and where you are at when CTA is issued is valuable information to a fleet commander. Just to name one of a great many things that can be monitored by the Brass in an effort to be able to more effectively issue orders. If none of the troops are willing to stream info to command due to paranoia, command has a serious problem. Why don't the troops trust command become the question at that point.
Holy *&@$ ! What security state do you live in? North Korea? Why does the "brass" need that much information? Plus, all the information you described as needed is available to corp leadership (e.g. director/accountant/auditor) via the corp's members list tab - No API required.
Quote:Pick a web based programming language, learn the EVE API, then you will know exactly why we CEOs ask for it. If anything, This shows the excessive information not needed to by a CEO. Also, all the information is exported in a xml file format. I'm not really sure why you're telling me to use a programming language to pull the info when I can just post it in the url and get a result.
Quote:Don't join? Tbh after reading that I'm glad I'm in a corp that's awesome and I want to participate in-- Good to know there's some good corps still out there not harassing their members for their private information.
Quote:Can I have your stuffs? No. Plus I gave up most of my stuff when I lost a grandparent a few years ago and stop playing cause everything in life felt so futile. Thanks for reminding me of that. Still waiting for that inheritance but somehow got screwed out of that because of an attorney uncle never filing a will to probate and stating that a will was never made. Again, Thanks for reminding me of that.
Quote:Any Corp or alliance worth joining will require a full API for vetting be for you are accepted. No thanks. I'll rather just play with another friend than have to deal with bureaucracy. |
igRaVeN
MASS
19
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Posted - 2015.03.15 07:54:00 -
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Quote:What the moron in the OP doesn't get is that even though his 'friend' (im using the term lightly, this guy seems like a jerk) has known him for a decade, the rest of his friends group DOESN'T know him, and there have been too many cases over the years of 'oh you can trust my friend' that turned bad, so groups now just say ok you know him get his deets and we'll run quick for you. I see ISD Decoy... Sir Grath Telkin of Sniggerdly is allowed to call me a moron but if I call a corp's leadership a certain type of government style that isn't allowed. Please bow down to you're money cow Decoy. Wouldn't want the 0.0's to get upset. Also, blow it out your ass. |
Svarii
Acclimatization
69
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Posted - 2015.03.15 18:58:04 -
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Quote:I can just post it in the url and get a result.
LOL! Just, LOL. I can also use a magnifying glass to start a fire. But why would I do that when I could use a lighter?
Deny Pirates the Use of Implants
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Flaming Butterfly
Black Serpent Technologies Black Legion.
4
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:25:48 -
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igRaVeN wrote:To each their own.
Some people like having fingers up their butts when getting a prostate test, others do not.
Your friend has asked you come back and have some fun with him and his corpies and you think their system of protection -which protects you and your assets as well- is equivalent to them probing around your nether-regions with their totalitarian fingers...
I think they will do fine without you. Get some counseling. |
Garia666
CyberShield Inc Triumvirate.
90
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Posted - 2015.04.29 06:49:56 -
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this game is about intel, and spies are an valubale asset. Alliances try and keep spies out, they do this by evaluating your , mail, assets, transfers.characters. this is mostly an corp or alliance pollicy. So dont take it personal.
if youd ont like it dont join. |
lord xavier
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
62
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Posted - 2015.05.08 16:28:56 -
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igRaVeN wrote:Nothing more than the next guy with a super carrier but having full api access as a requirement to join a corp just seems a bit much. On top of that, a corp with a 1/4% tax rate and a requirement to pay membership dues if you miss a fleet fight just seems like
*snip* Watch the racism and discriminatory comments. ~ ISD Decoy
And its ******* blowing my mind that a corp would require this.
Full API is required by most PVP alliances. They are covering as much ground as they can to protect their own assets. Spies and malicious intent is quite common in many applicants to larger alliances. Full APIs let them do quite a bit of information digging. Though afterwards most don't even bother to keep tabs on that API after awhile.
I am going to take a shot but it seems that you are referring to applying to Pandemic Legion, which is a major nullsec force in this game. People try and get spies in there for intel and AWOX possibilities. Hell, they lost a revenant and ten(?) other supercarriers because a member had helped setup the fleet and jump. That was with their standard of Full API applications.
I have never had an issue giving my full API when applying for an alliance. There is absolutely no reason to care. Cool, they will see my wallet. They will see my transaction history (have fun going through my trading alts). Only time you should be worried is if you are applying with intent to spy. Which then you should consider your tactic behind it and have a seperate account for that all together. One that doesnt tie back to your main or alts, if your alts are tied to your main. |
David Godfrey
Exanimo Inc Gentlemen's.Club
7
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Posted - 2015.05.11 14:26:34 -
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Talon Draygo wrote:
Since you obviously sound like a stubborn moron, I look forward to seeing your super loss mail on the killboard soonish.
This.
Don't let the void consume you...
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
549
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Posted - 2015.05.12 14:12:48 -
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It's simple:
Are you willing to meet their recruiting requirements and live with the restrictions the corp might have (such as that ridiculous pay me if you miss a fleet crap)?
If yes, then apply. If No, then look for another corp.
This isn't freaking rocket science people. It's not hard - it doesn't require a great deal of thought. If you don't like the hoops the corp has put up, then don't effing jump through them.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Aequitae
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
6
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Posted - 2015.05.14 11:46:35 -
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As a wormhole player, I would not take any group serious if they aren't doing thorough security checks. The risks versus the rewards of not doing it are too large, and anyone who is uncomfortable sharing their API keys while we are risking billions of ISK, is not a member we'd like to recruit.
The only exception I could imagine is if you're a supercapital / titan producer, at which point you should already be explaining that situation anyways. |
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