Awoxing is great and all, but the far more entertaining stories will come from the corps where they have FF disabled and ships get concorded for webbing alts or engaging with drones instead of assisting.

Adding a tax to have this turned on will just encourage players to stay in the NPC to have the same effect. It has been proven time and time again that the players who enjoy and stay with the game are those who branched out into player corporations. This player interaction leads them towards other parts of the game that does not involve leveling up their Raven. Thus equating to new blood in parts of the game everyone is wanting.

Do you not see this?

I may have missed this as I was reading, but will NPC corps allow green on green fire following this change?

Except this is not what is going to happen. There is no guarantee that new players will end up in good corps that want to support and train them. ........

But if they stay in an NPC corp, it's absolutely guaranteed that they will not get into a good corp.

For limited PvP training, there are still duels. Duels can also be used for web slinging freighters.

CCP, (or anyone else), with FF off, is there any easy way to have a corp free for all?

What happens if I am shooting a corp mate at the exact time the 24 hour cool down expires? Assume I am in high sec with my safety green, and while my gun is cycling, the 24 hours runs out and the corp goes from allowing FF to not allowing it.

This is an outright poor decision. Tiamat will be the first release in a while that will leave EVE worse off than it was beforehand. First one since Incarna perhaps?

Obviously this is aimed at increasing the safety of career highsec players (or decreasing taxes for those currently in NPC corps), as it will have no other impact. Blue-on-blue violence almost never hits new players as they have nothing worth burning an AWOX alt to hit.

What this will do is:

- by acting as an increased reward for highsec mission grinding, encourage people who currently perform ISK generating activities outside highsec to transfer those activities to highsec. Many will not, but some will, and this will be a major indirect blow to lowsec and low-class wormholes which are already not offering much more than highsec.
- result in more 'tax scam' corps - those corps that mass recruit newbies, do nothing for them and then leech tax from them. Currently AWOXing results in most of those corps dying, and the game is better every time one of them does.
- remove the single best opportunity for new players to win solo PVP engagements (with advice).


On the plus side, lower opsec in recruiting (which will NOT last) will provide a brief opportunity for corp thieves. Until this corrects over time, disloyal corp members will be able to do more damage to corps than they can now - instead of killing one veteran's mission battleship or orca, a disloyal member will be able to steal entire ship replacement funds, skillbook assistance packages, or the like.



The change wouldn't be so bad if the 11% NPC corp tax applied to corps with this mode on. Then at least the impetus to leave dangerous space for high would be removed.

If this exact use case comes to pass, I believe it will open a spatio-temporal rift from which will pour an infinite number of winged monkeys.

Does the FF setting in any way affect actions that make you a suspect, such as taking loot from a wreck made by a corp member? (My guess is No, but I might as well check.)

About free for alls: Another way to do it is have an alt drop a can and everyone steals from it. You may have to deal with the locals, but if its a quiet system, and you are at a safe spot, most likely not.

But if they stay in an NPC corp, it's absolutely guaranteed that they will not get into a good corp.

For limited PvP training, there are still duels. Duels can also be used for web slinging freighters.

CCP, (or anyone else), with FF off, is there any easy way to have a corp free for all?

New corps will have it set to disabled

brilliant, this is what im calling it from now on.

Is it not just as cowardice to stab someone in the back?
The tools to face someone openly have been there from the beginning and (hopefully) will never be removed.

Is it cowardice for a spy to go undercover in enemy country in order to disrupt their operations?

Is it cowardice for a criminal to talk thier way into a museum in order to pull off a heist?

Of course not. Corporate infiltration has a long and storied history in this game. This change doesn't kill that completely, but does diminish one of the game mechanism that has generated much memorable conflict and thus conflict in the past.

Why are you so sure being in an NPC corp is worse than being in a corp run by a scammer who does nothing to teach new players while collecting a 75% tax rate?

Or that good corps ard not recruiting new players right now before the changes? Take a look at corp advertisements - there are dozens of corps clamoring for new players.

More new players are going to be sucked up by terrible highsec corps spamming invites in starter systems stabilized by this change, and even less new blood will end up in good corps in low-, null- and highsec.

As to your last question, no there is not. In fact the reason it was made a changable flag rather than just off all the time was exactly so groups that regularly have free-for-alls (RvB) and corp training events can take still do this.

CCP data indicates that players tend to stay with the game if they leave their started NPC corp. To me, this indicates that usually they do not get stuck in a scam corp, or of they do, they still keep with the game.
Scam corps will recruit with or without the new FF rule. Reasonable ones may recruit without it, but more will recruit with it. The result: an increased chance a new player's first corp will be a reasonable one.

I sincerely hope you are correct.

However I think a lot of new players are about to have a very poor introduction to this game.

Is it cowardice for a spy to go undercover in enemy country in order to disrupt their operations?

Is it cowardice for a criminal to talk thier way into a museum in order to pull off a heist?

Of course not. Corporate infiltration has a long and storied history in this game. This change doesn't kill that completely, but does diminish one of the game mechanism that has generated much memorable conflict and thus conflict in the past.

Hurrar! To give reference to the Mittani article, another sacred cow massacred on the altar of user retention \o/

Risk vs reward anyone? All corps should have concord tax for enabling this. at least 5% but not over 11%

Also screw CCP destroying core gameplay mechanics and sandbox.