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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.06 05:37:26 -
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Q: Why do carebears like to stay in hisec? A: It's not worth it to leave hisec, at least not without some friends with firepower-which, by definition, newbies don't have because they haven't made many friends yet. The path to lowsec is full of warp bubbles and gankers. Jump the wrong gate, and there will be at minimum a warp bubble, some energy neutralizers, maybe a scram or two, some webs, and some DPS = it doesn't matter to me if there are trillions of ISK worth of stuff beyond this. |
Victoria Ramsay
BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.02.06 07:36:11 -
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There are plenty of people to shoot in null sec and lowsec. Sorry to hear that you only want to shoot carebears - I know they are easier because they don't fight back so this would give you a nice green killboard with little to no effort, while also ruining the game for the carebears. However this is something you'll just have to live with. |
Victoria Ramsay
BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2015.02.06 07:39:58 -
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Also - if your real goal is to prevent gankers from using NPC corps, you could just prevent changing safeties to red in NPC corps (yellow only - so NPC corp players could still PVP in null/low, but not gank in hisec). Restricting NPC corp players to t1 ships is an absolutely ridiculous proposal. |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
202
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Posted - 2015.02.06 08:23:41 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Star Citizen. Elite: Dangerous. Star Trek Online Just to name some off the top of my head. Star Citizen isn't even out of beta and it's an entirely different game from what eve is. Elite Dangerous isn't even in the same realm as eve either. Star trek online... really? You're going to say that's the same gameplay as eve? They talked about EVE as though it was the only game with Internet space ships. It is not. Edit: Check my kill board. I am not a high sec ganker. I just think it is silly that people fly bling ships in the starting corp and area and make huge amounts of ISK. Risk minimal and reward is high.
Since you seem to be referring to my post i said "Internet spaceships" strictly in the "Internet spaceships is serious business" sense of the word. All those other games have internet spaceships, just no internet spaceships i give a **** about... |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.02.07 01:28:38 -
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Anhenka wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Anhenka wrote:How about we not make sweeping game changes based on roleplayers. Ever. Unless we can also implement my roleplaying ideas as well, which includes space segregation of RP'rs in their own private forums and they can't post on the normal board. Still waiting for your perfect solutions to everything, ever. Oddly enough, I don't need to know how to build a perfect bookcase to know that hammering a nail into my hand is most definitely not part of the perfect procedure. Standing around telling people the shelf is skew and the glue isn't of the top quality doesn't help build any book cases, it only get nails in hands and hammers thrown at you.Victoria Ramsay wrote:There are plenty of people to shoot in null sec and lowsec. Sorry to hear that you only want to shoot carebears - I know they are easier because they don't fight back so this would give you a nice green killboard with little to no effort, while also ruining the game for the carebears. However this is something you'll just have to live with. Wrong motive for thread, cotton.
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:Q: Why do carebears like to stay in hisec? A: It's not worth it to leave hisec, at least not without some friends with firepower-which, by definition, newbies don't have because they haven't made many friends yet. The path to lowsec is full of warp bubbles and gankers. Jump the wrong gate, and there will be at minimum a warp bubble, some energy neutralizers, maybe a scram or two, some webs, and some DPS = it doesn't matter to me if there are trillions of ISK worth of stuff beyond this. There are plenty of NPSI fleets (Not Purple Shoot It) and they roam all over. There are also plenty of corporations and alliance that are large enough to take SOV even.
However, when I do go through low sec it is generally rather empty. I think there is something wrong there. Too many people find it in their interests to stick to high sec and NPC corps rather than group up and go to low sec.
I would say low sec has too many sticks and high sec has too many carrots.
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2015.02.07 02:21:12 -
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At the end of the day...since this is a sandbox..if someone chooses to not pvp...its their choice.
Too bad for you, deal with it.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
866
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Posted - 2015.02.07 02:31:34 -
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Syn Shi wrote:At the end of the day...since this is a sandbox..if someone chooses to not pvp...its their choice. Too bad for you, deal with it. Do you like this scenario: SOV holding main characters and High Sec ISK farming alts? How about Worm Hole romaing hunter, high sec ISK farmer and newbie station duelling alts?
Do you still think with so much of that sort of thing happening that the sand box has the sand well distributed?
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.07 02:39:28 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:At the end of the day...since this is a sandbox..if someone chooses to not pvp...its their choice. Too bad for you, deal with it. Do you like this scenario: SOV holding main characters and High Sec ISK farming alts? How about Worm Hole romaing hunter, high sec ISK farmer and newbie station duelling alts? Do you still think with so much of that sort of thing happening that the sand box has the sand well distributed?
No play style is doing it wrong in the sandbox....there is room for all.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.02.07 02:44:53 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:At the end of the day...since this is a sandbox..if someone chooses to not pvp...its their choice. Too bad for you, deal with it. Do you like this scenario: SOV holding main characters and High Sec ISK farming alts? How about Worm Hole romaing hunter, high sec ISK farmer and newbie station duelling alts? Do you still think with so much of that sort of thing happening that the sand box has the sand well distributed? No play style is doing it wrong in the sandbox....there is room for all. So, using the kid's section of the sandbox to grab sand to build walls that keep the kids out of the teen's section of the sandbox is not a problem?
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
175
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Posted - 2015.02.07 17:04:09 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:At the end of the day...since this is a sandbox..if someone chooses to not pvp...its their choice. Too bad for you, deal with it. Do you like this scenario: SOV holding main characters and High Sec ISK farming alts? How about Worm Hole romaing hunter, high sec ISK farmer and newbie station duelling alts? Do you still think with so much of that sort of thing happening that the sand box has the sand well distributed? No play style is doing it wrong in the sandbox....there is room for all. So, using the kid's section of the sandbox to grab sand to build walls that keep the kids out of the teen's section of the sandbox is not a problem?
and how are people doing that may I ask? |
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
870
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Posted - 2015.02.07 17:09:09 -
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Lady Rift wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:At the end of the day...since this is a sandbox..if someone chooses to not pvp...its their choice. Too bad for you, deal with it. Do you like this scenario: SOV holding main characters and High Sec ISK farming alts? How about Worm Hole romaing hunter, high sec ISK farmer and newbie station duelling alts? Do you still think with so much of that sort of thing happening that the sand box has the sand well distributed? No play style is doing it wrong in the sandbox....there is room for all. So, using the kid's section of the sandbox to grab sand to build walls that keep the kids out of the teen's section of the sandbox is not a problem? and how are people doing that may I ask? Buy a pilot, pay the same subscription, then you just log off between toons on the same account. Farm the high sec incursions that pay more than any null profession Transfer funds to Low Sec or Null Sec toon Put shiny expensive bubbles and snipers on all the gates.
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
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Posted - 2015.02.07 17:13:29 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Buy a pilot, pay the same subscription, then you just log off between toons on the same account. Farm the high sec incursions that pay more than any null profession Transfer funds to Low Sec or Null Sec toon Put shiny expensive bubbles and snipers on all the gates.
lol at this ever happening at all the gates.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
870
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Posted - 2015.02.07 19:11:11 -
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Lady Rift wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Buy a pilot, pay the same subscription, then you just log off between toons on the same account. Farm the high sec incursions that pay more than any null profession Transfer funds to Low Sec or Null Sec toon Put shiny expensive bubbles and snipers on all the gates.
lol at this ever happening at all the gates. You didn't refute the essence of the post though.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1547
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Posted - 2015.02.07 23:04:33 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Lady Rift wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Buy a pilot, pay the same subscription, then you just log off between toons on the same account. Farm the high sec incursions that pay more than any null profession Transfer funds to Low Sec or Null Sec toon Put shiny expensive bubbles and snipers on all the gates.
lol at this ever happening at all the gates. You didn't refute the essence of the post though.
There is no need to since we know it's BS anyway. How about you prove newbie can't access low/null by let's say disprove the existance of brave newbies. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
870
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Posted - 2015.02.08 01:41:05 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Lady Rift wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Buy a pilot, pay the same subscription, then you just log off between toons on the same account. Farm the high sec incursions that pay more than any null profession Transfer funds to Low Sec or Null Sec toon Put shiny expensive bubbles and snipers on all the gates.
lol at this ever happening at all the gates. You didn't refute the essence of the post though. There is no need to since we know it's BS anyway. How about you prove newbie can't access low/null by let's say disprove the existance of brave newbies. Are you going to say next that they had nothing but a bunch of enthusiastic newbies who ran out into null sec and managed to grab SOV?
Just as an interesting side note: They have managed to rack up over 13000 *pages* on a kill board already.
CSM Ten movement for change.
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.08 02:38:39 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Lady Rift wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Buy a pilot, pay the same subscription, then you just log off between toons on the same account. Farm the high sec incursions that pay more than any null profession Transfer funds to Low Sec or Null Sec toon Put shiny expensive bubbles and snipers on all the gates.
lol at this ever happening at all the gates. You didn't refute the essence of the post though. There is no need to since we know it's BS anyway. How about you prove newbie can't access low/null by let's say disprove the existance of brave newbies. Are you going to say next that they had nothing but a bunch of enthusiastic newbies who ran out into null sec and managed to grab SOV? Just as an interesting side note: They have managed to rack up over 13000 *pages* on a kill board already.
Is this suppose to mean something?
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
175
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Posted - 2015.02.08 04:30:27 -
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Does this mean that every ship will gain a resist bonus/rep bonus? As that currently is one of the few ways to tell what direction CCP was trying to get people to fit a certain tank type. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
894
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Posted - 2015.02.10 23:06:34 -
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"One issue raised is staying in contact with your friends from an NPC corp. They want an official public chat channel that comes up when you start the game. You can leave it but it means your starting corp can always stay in touch if they want."
Added to the OP.
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Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
1027
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Posted - 2015.02.10 23:21:15 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:"One issue raised is staying in contact with your friends from an NPC corp. They want an official public chat channel that comes up when you start the game. You can leave it but it means your starting corp can always stay in touch if they want."
Added to the OP.
How is that not your run of the mill public chat channel? |
Alistrina Sassoire
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.10 23:28:11 -
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We've tried to create public chat channels but they don't get used, and there are multiples of them. Having a social connection to your old starter corp as standard will make it work. |
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.10 23:39:38 -
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When I have the option to unsub for the duration of a war dec, do whatever.
Most of CAS content is handled through private chat channels anyway. |
Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
1027
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Posted - 2015.02.10 23:40:40 -
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Alistrina Sassoire wrote:We've tried to create public chat channels but they don't get used, and there are multiples of them. Having a social connection to your old starter corp as standard will make it work.
Nobody has any interest in joining your public chat channel, but a public chat channel that's connected with an NPC corp will somehow magically work better.... why?
Do you think there are hordes of people who are desperate to reconnect with their old buddies in the NPC corp they left behind, but have no interest in hanging out in a public channel, yet would gladly hang out in a random channel out of a.. shared remembrance of an NPC corp? |
Alistrina Sassoire
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.10 23:57:35 -
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There are a lot of people who don't want to leave their starter corp behind, yes, and although we have tried to create public channels they are simply not well known about because there aren't the facilities in the starter corps to organise such a thing. While it may be of no benefit for yourself it doesn't mean it doesn't have a benefit. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
897
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Posted - 2015.02.11 00:43:45 -
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For example, there is no MoTD in NPC corps to get people to join the other channel. So people that leave have to hope others will keep linking the other channel, over and over and over again.
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Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.11 15:53:45 -
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Anhenka wrote:Alistrina Sassoire wrote:We've tried to create public chat channels but they don't get used, and there are multiples of them. Having a social connection to your old starter corp as standard will make it work. Nobody has any interest in joining your public chat channel, but a public chat channel that's connected with an NPC corp will somehow magically work better.... why? Do you think there are hordes of people who are desperate to reconnect with their old buddies in the NPC corp they left behind, but have no interest in hanging out in a public channel, yet would gladly hang out in a random channel out of a.. shared remembrance of an NPC corp?
Maybe for most NPC corps that is the case, but for us CAS members it's a whole different story. There are even player corps for CAS members who left CAS but want to still be part of the community. There is CAS, and then there is all the other NPC corps lol! |
Luna Arindale
Ubuntu Inc. The Fourth District
50
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Posted - 2015.02.11 17:36:18 -
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I remember way back, in December of 2012 when I made this character. I was three days old, thereabouts, and I heard in my little npc chat about something called the CCD. So I asked what it was, they linked a system into the channel. I plotted a course was given an incursus and told to follow orders. Fleet comp was around 70-80 people all in CAS, most noobies, in frigates with a few cruisers and destroyers. Boiglio (I think I spelled that right, it has been 2 years) was the FC for the day, and I had no idea what to do. We fleet warped to the first gate into Syndicate, all jumped through, Goonswarm gate camp. I burned at a stabber and in about 10 seconds I was dead and podded. (I think it was a stabber might of been the t2) Probally the most memorable experience I have ever had in EvE at that time. I think do not support any more nerfs to NPC corps and their lifestyle as it would hurt new players to eve and decrease the influx of new energy that all corps and players thrive on. Eve is a game of player driven content, do not try to stop the Sandbox. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
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Posted - 2015.02.11 19:19:03 -
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I disagree with the whole gist of this op's thread. high sec should not be smaller especially due to the fact that it houses 80% of the player base.. High sec should not be null sec lite.. should not be thought of as noob training wheels... should not be broken into small pockets of unplayable safe space for week olds only. Avoiding wardecs is not the main reason people stay or move into npc corps... community, anonymity, and lack of commitment to a direction are the primary reasons people stay in NPC corps.
High sec should be an equivalent yet entirely different style of play to low sec or null sec. Currently high sec and even NPC corps are not the panacea of 100% safe play you are supposing them to be. Lore supports high sec as it is. If you kill high sec you kill EVE.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.02.11 21:13:17 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote: high sec ... due to the fact that it houses 80% of the player base.. . I took a Spectre fleet through Provi tonight and out into Catch. We welped but they got to see what Null can be like, how empty so many system are, how it is not full of people out there waiting to drop capitals on them.
I think that 80% are hiding in high sec, where it is safe and far too profitable means they are missing out on so much that EVE has to offer and indicates to me that EVE must have some core design flaws if it is weighted that way.
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
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Posted - 2015.02.11 21:41:36 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I think that 80% are hiding in high sec, where it is safe and far too profitable means they are missing out on so much that EVE has to offer and indicates to me that EVE must have some core design flaws if it is weighted that way.
Estimates of high sec's profitability are wildly exaggerated. Sure, the dedicated and the obsessed and those with a knack for certain trades can make money hand over fist in high sec, because in Jita as in Vegas the smart money is on the gamblers, not on the game.
But for every one of those, and for every pilot in a blinged-out Nightmare sleepwalking through another Incursion site, and for every pilot painstakingly min/maxing their Sisters of EVE L4s, there are hundreds or thousands of high sec dwellers making their money from bounties and (LOL) salvage, sitting on mountains of LP that they either don't know what to do with or can't be bothered to take advantage of because :effort:, selling to whatever buy order is around as long as the offer isn't completely insulting, and so on. I remember CCP publishing the amount in the average EVE player's wallet one Fanfest, and it was not a lot of ISK.
Just as there are many more people in Vegas playing the games than there are people playing the players.
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Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
1031
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Posted - 2015.02.11 21:52:50 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:I disagree with the whole gist of this op's thread. high sec should not be smaller especially due to the fact that it houses 80% of the player base.. High sec should not be null sec lite.. should not be thought of as noob training wheels... should not be broken into small pockets of unplayable safe space for week olds only. Avoiding wardecs is not the main reason people stay or move into npc corps... community, anonymity, and lack of commitment to a direction are the primary reasons people stay in NPC corps.
High sec should be an equivalent yet entirely different style of play to low sec or null sec. Currently high sec and even NPC corps are not the panacea of 100% safe play you are supposing them to be. Lore supports high sec as it is. If you kill high sec you kill EVE.
It has 80% of the characters on active subscriptions in the game. It's a very important distinction. For example, I have 3 characters in nullsec, one in low, and 7 in highsec. Yet 99% of my play time is on the three in null.
Behind each low, null, or WH player, there's several alts, which distorts the frequently bandied around statistics about highsec playerbase supremacy.
That being said, I completely agree with you on how bad of an idea the OP's proposals is. |
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